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2:14 pm
November 6, 2009


Andie

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posts 9

Hi fellow Castle fans. My name is Andie and I've been a lurker here for a while and decided to take the plunge and start posting. I'm from the UK but thankfully, I am up-to-date with the latest exploits of Castle and Beckett. I watched all episodes in three days and what a ride it was. No show has got me this excited since Veronica Mars.

There's nothing I can say about the show that hasn't already been said here but I'm going to anyway. I just love the Murder Of The Week format coupled with the banter of Castle and Beckett. I won't lie, I love Nathan Fillion and if he wasn't starring in the show I probably wouldn't have given it a second glance which actually saddens me a lot. Not only is the performance from Fillion charming and funny, but I've fallen for the rest of the cast as well. The relationships are what interests me the most. It goes without saying that the Castle/Beckett dynamic is my favourite although I may go against the grain by saying that I don't want them to get together. I'd rather watch two people obviously attracted to one another never get together. (On TV, not in real life! I am a romantic really!) You know what they say? The journey is often far more interesting than the destination itself. I've watched many shows where the two leads are attracted to one another. Moonlighting comes to mind. When David and Maddie got together, you could hear the fans breathe a sigh of relief and cheer, but it was quickly followed by the sound of people turning channels. There is so much more mileage in Castle/Beckett flirting and many more "You smell like cherries" moments to come.

The tenderness and comedy of the Castle/Alexis relationship reminds me of Veronica Mars and her Dad Keith. Castle may even overtake Keith as my favourite TV Dad. I love a good, healthy and in my experience, normal Father/Daughter relationship. It warms my heart. It's lovely to see a daughter so grounded and that's down to her Dad and the stability he provides along with his flamboyant Mother. I love her! And Ryan and Esposito are my dynamic duo. Full of great one-liners and they play well off of one another.

Put all the characters together and there is no insular relationship. There really is a freat family feel with all the characters playing their roles. You could pair any two together and you just know that the writers will handle them with the greatest of care and throw in a lot of comedy with it. It leaves the show wide open to a variety of situations that I know will be thrilling to watch. I cannot wait!

I'm sorry that I've gone on and on! Blah (This post has been heavily edited for fear some may fall asleep!) I just wanted to give you a bit on insight into your newbie. I really do look forward to conversing with you all on the forum. I promise I will keep my posts short(er). Tongue

3:28 pm
November 6, 2009


ashley_slomo

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 418

Welcome Andie! Wave

Couldn't have said it better myself, really! Don't worry about babbling, you made plenty of good points ;)

This show quickly became my favorite, and the entire cast/crew have done an amazing job with it.

I agree about not letting Castle and Beckett get together, it's so fun to watch! Bounce2

It might drive me crazy to see them get this close, but I love it anyway. Love

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3:36 pm
November 6, 2009


really?

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 481

Hey Andie! nice to have you on here… I'm a newbie myself. I definitely agree on those points you brought up. There's always great anticipation when it comes to the Castle/Beckett storyline- it's the classic "will they or wont they". At the end of each episode, it keeps you wanting more of those "you smell like cherries" type of scenes. And that's good TV for you. 

3:37 pm
November 6, 2009


KalliopePL

Warsaw, Poland

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 1924

Welcome aboard, Andie! :)

Personally I'd like to see Castle and Beckett get together, but not too soon. IMO, it depends on the writing whether even married pair is fun to watch or not. I'm pretty sure that these writers will be okay and we won't be disappointed :) But before Castle and Beckett get together, I'd love to see the "heat of the moment" situation and how they're going to deal with it…

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3:49 pm
November 6, 2009


sarah_darling

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posts 1626

Welcome!

It really seems that while most of us want them together in the end, we prefer the slow and awkward dance that they're doing.

Becklers do it with the beckle on.

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4:31 pm
November 6, 2009


CastleFan66

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posts 228

Welcome Andie…

I personally would like them to get together, but not too soon.  I've been a long-time Bones fan and its getting old to me, I was a JAG fan as well and felt disappointed when I didn't get to see Mac and Harm actually together.  I think it all comes down to the writing and I believe the writing on this show is strong enough to put these two together and still have great banter/dynamic.Love2

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4:42 pm
November 6, 2009


Seriously?

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posts 399

Welcome to the board!

See, I think that the "Moonlighting curse" is basically a cop out (no pun intended.) IMHO, this has become an excuse. No, getting the couple together didn't work so well in Moonlighting, however, I don't think this was because they put them together but rather due to poor writing. We also had two stars that were at odds, one had just had children, the other was becoming a huge movie star and wanted to focus on that. The show was falling apart in general. I don't think that you can solely blame the demise of Moonlighting on the main characters finally getting together. It oversimplifies things (IMHO.)

Personally, I do want Castle & Beckett to be together. I would love to see them navigate this working relationship with a personal one. Don't get me wrong, I don't need them to be in bed together next week but I also don't want to watch them dance around the issue for seasons on end. The standard relationship cliches of most shows with the dancing, watching one person have feelings whiel the other is oblivious… person 2 finally getting it but person 1 moves on… this is just throughly uninteresting to me now.

These two have such a great dynamic that with great writing, which the show has, I think they could be together and have it stay interesting. Again, I want to see them dance a little more and possibly have Beckett's ex back for an episode or two, but yeah, I don't want a repeat of say… Bones.

That all out, I love this cast. I don't want it to seem as though I'm only here for Castle & Beckett because that isn't the case. I'd love to see Ryan and Esposito developed further. Simply put, this is my favorite show on television right now.

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5:44 pm
November 6, 2009


sarah_darling

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posts 1626

itsmyworld said:

Personally, I do want Castle & Beckett to be together. I would love to see them navigate this working relationship with a personal one. Don't get me wrong, I don't need them to be in bed together next week but I also don't want to watch them dance around the issue for seasons on end. The standard relationship cliches of most shows with the dancing, watching one person have feelings whiel the other is oblivious… person 2 finally getting it but person 1 moves on… this is just throughly uninteresting to me now.


Yes, let's please not Ross and Rachel this.

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10:54 am
November 7, 2009


angie1379

New Member

posts 4

Okay, I'm as  intrigued as anyone by this debate about when to get Castle and Beckett together. Two seasons? Four seasons? Eight seaons? And there are also a lot of opinions about shows we don't want Castle to be like: Moonlighting, Bones, Friends. So what are some models that would be good for the writers to follow? What shows pulled off the kind of successful sexual-tension-to-relationship transitions that could ensure the continued success of this show?

12:10 pm
November 7, 2009


nalissa2

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 1183

I don't see the need to follow any show.

If anything Castle would be the series to set the standard for other shows to follow. I've said it before we have two solid, well-adjusted characters that have a mutual attraction to each other. There's no gimmicky or quirky characters so you don't have to worry that once that wears thin you don't have anything else to work with. (Their situation is the gimmic but the characters are solid and that's what you need.) The only successful shows I can think of with a crime-fighting (involved) duo is Hart to Hart and that was just too saccharine for me.

Now Fox, for all their bad points, do take chances with their programming and aired Standoff a few seasons back. I watched it but the writing was weak and the leads, while attractive, did not have any chemistry. None. Nada. Ziip. Needless to say it was cancelled quickly. They were also trapped with the gimmick of both being cops in the same dept. and having to hide their relationship which, I believe was already in progress, as the series began. That was recipe for failure even before it started.

So while that formula didn't work, the support behind the idea of an involved crime fighting duo isn't so outrageous as we're constantly led to believe every time Moonlighting gets mentioned.

Castle and Beckett are destined to be together, however I think they need to really go through some kind of personal crisis so that they can bond on an even deeper level before something should happen. It could even be the resolution of Johanna Beckett's murder. I suspect that solving it will involve some dark skeletons that Kate has no idea are in her family's closet.

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12:12 pm
November 7, 2009


KalliopePL

Warsaw, Poland

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 1924

angie1379 said:Okay, I'm as  intrigued as anyone by this debate about when to get Castle and Beckett together. Two seasons? Four seasons? Eight seaons? And there are also a lot of opinions about shows we don't want Castle to be like: Moonlighting, Bones, Friends. So what are some models that would be good for the writers to follow? What shows pulled off the kind of successful sexual-tension-to-relationship transitions that could ensure the continued success of this show?


Two seasons would be definitely too early, although I don't mind "heat of the moment" situation at all, after which they would go separate ways for a while, even for the whole season or two. Fourth season seems to be perfect for the serious commitment.

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1:25 pm
November 7, 2009


sarah_darling

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angie1379 said:Okay, I'm as  intrigued as anyone by this debate about when to get Castle and Beckett together. Two seasons? Four seasons? Eight seaons? And there are also a lot of opinions about shows we don't want Castle to be like: Moonlighting, Bones, Friends. So what are some models that would be good for the writers to follow? What shows pulled off the kind of successful sexual-tension-to-relationship transitions that could ensure the continued success of this show?


X-Files. Yeah, we didn't really get to see the UST to a relationship per-se, but it happened. hehe.

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3:28 pm
November 7, 2009


musiclover

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 1485

Welcome Andie, I love thee Castle/Alexis relationship too. I would like to see Castle and Beckett together but like be like really good friends first.

9:07 pm
November 8, 2009


Tzalaran

Castle Groupie

posts 13

i think i'm the only one who is perfectly fine with them never being together.

From my perspective, Beckett could never take a chance on Castle just because there is no way she can trust him.  With him going behind her back on her mother's case, his flings with the deep fried twinkie, and his constant flirtation with any and all women, it would be very against her defensive nature to ever give him a chance.  The nature of what he does would also put her in a place she doesn't want to be; the spotlight.  Inspiration for a new MC, that she can handle.  Add wife/significant other to the mix and that is a recipe for disaster imo.

Although i think they would make a great pair, i think the long term implications would end up with a relationship destined for failure.  It would also negatively affect her job performance, as there is no way she'd be able work as effectively with him if they were in a relationship.  i couldn't work with my wife, and i just have a desk job… make it where we could be put into a life or death situation at any given moment due to a twist in a case, and too many factors might impair judgment.

Just my thoughts on the matter.  i think that either way, the writers and actors will be able to pull off the direction well.

12:52 pm
November 9, 2009


Andie

Castle Groupie

posts 9

angie1379 said:Okay, I'm as  intrigued as anyone by this debate about when to get Castle and Beckett together. Two seasons? Four seasons? Eight seaons? And there are also a lot of opinions about shows we don't want Castle to be like: Moonlighting, Bones, Friends. So what are some models that would be good for the writers to follow? What shows pulled off the kind of successful sexual-tension-to-relationship transitions that could ensure the continued success of this show?


First, I must say a huge thank you to you all for the warm welcome. Smile

Reading through the posts, I realised I hadn't given the Castle/Beckett relationship enough thought. I've been giving it a lot of thought after reading through the thread and I'm coming around to the way of thinking that maybe I do want them to get together. Eventually. Especially as Bones has been mentioned as an example of the sexual tension growing old. I love Bones and although it is growing old, I do love the finale of season four that fed us the relationship we crave. I'm now thinking about how the Castle writers can get them together without spoiling the dance completely and having it come to an end. (They do whet our appetite in the Heat Wave book!) I can't help but think about Buffy/Angel. The forbidden relationship formula was a winner and for me it was one of the most beautifully told love stories with tragic consequences. But this is real life. There are no cursed vampires who will never age here. I'm interested in the theory mentioned here and on another thread that Castle's Father may turn out to be involved in Johanna Beckett's murder. Maybe they will get together only to have this wedge driven between them but the resolution of that particular murder case has to be soon and cannot wait for another two seasons. Or can it? Oh, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the writers meeting just to hear what they are talking about! Laugh

8:32 pm
November 9, 2009


nalissa2

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 1183

Tzalaran said:

i think i'm the only one who is perfectly fine with them never being together.

From my perspective, Beckett could never take a chance on Castle just because there is no way she can trust him.  With him going behind her back on her mother's case, his flings with the deep fried twinkie, and his constant flirtation with any and all women, it would be very against her defensive nature to ever give him a chance.  The nature of what he does would also put her in a place she doesn't want to be; the spotlight.  Inspiration for a new MC, that she can handle.  Add wife/significant other to the mix and that is a recipe for disaster imo.

Although i think they would make a great pair, i think the long term implications would end up with a relationship destined for failure.  It would also negatively affect her job performance, as there is no way she'd be able work as effectively with him if they were in a relationship.  i couldn't work with my wife, and i just have a desk job… make it where we could be put into a life or death situation at any given moment due to a twist in a case, and too many factors might impair judgment.

Just my thoughts on the matter.  i think that either way, the writers and actors will be able to pull off the direction well.


I don't agree with you  but I just had to say I really appreciate the thought and effort you put into that reply. Looking forward to more of your posts.

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8:34 pm
November 9, 2009


nalissa2

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 1183

Forgive my manners Andie, I forgot to welcome you to the forum! Doh Hope you like it here.

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8:15 am
November 10, 2009


monique

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 81

Farscapefan said:

Welcome aboard, Andie! :)

Personally I'd like to see Castle and Beckett get together, but not too soon. IMO, it depends on the writing whether even married pair is fun to watch or not. I'm pretty sure that these writers will be okay and we won't be disappointed :) But before Castle and Beckett get together, I'd love to see the "heat of the moment" situation and how they're going to deal with it…


agree, the dance is so much fun to watch, but just a few hot moments would be kinda nice, eh?  Looks like there are a few hopeless romantics in this crowd, me included, so the pace is good but can get a little frustating.  How about a date (but not really a date); a hug-me moment, a "you look so hot" moment; more parties and dancing!  We really need a turning point moment to get these two to acknowledge their mutual attraction and move forward

7:10 pm
November 10, 2009


1892Rojas

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 209

I get the feeling audience support will dictate the terms of the relationship, despite appearances and disclaimers to the contrary from the producers. By this I mean, strong, all-out peaks of support and audience interest, not just die-hards. If the it peaks quick, and in the episodes that play up that aspect and these will usually come in waves, for as you've seen in eps 3 to 5, they were more relationship-intense -or be forced to move the ball forward. If it remains steady throughout, they'll be in no hurry to unravel. 

11:11 pm
November 11, 2009


eroberts

New Member

posts 5

It is really tough from a writer's perspective to measure the ebb and flow of what the viewers want to see and what you want them to want to see.

The mystery itself maintains a certain tension.

Who knows, there could even be a little distraction or rival thrown into the mix to increase the heat a little?

10:09 am
November 12, 2009


Seriously?

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 399

See, if they do the rival distraction thing, I think they need to relegate that to a few episodes this season. They can't stretch that out (imho) without people losing interest. It appears that we'll get just that with the show apparently trying to cast Castle's long lost love but again, I personally wouldn't watch multiple seasons of back and forth. I've done that with many shows over the years and I'm just kind of over it. There comes a point where you just want a resolution even if the outcome wasn't that you were hoping for.

God, I totally over think stuff like this! Doh

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4:07 pm
November 14, 2009


Beckett Brigade

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monique said:

Farscapefan said:

Welcome aboard, Andie! :)

Personally I'd like to see Castle and Beckett get together, but not too soon. IMO, it depends on the writing whether even married pair is fun to watch or not. I'm pretty sure that these writers will be okay and we won't be disappointed :) But before Castle and Beckett get together, I'd love to see the "heat of the moment" situation and how they're going to deal with it…


agree, the dance is so much fun to watch, but just a few hot moments would be kinda nice, eh?  Looks like there are a few hopeless romantics in this crowd, me included, so the pace is good but can get a little frustating.  How about a date (but not really a date); a hug-me moment, a "you look so hot" moment; more parties and dancing!  We really need a turning point moment to get these two to acknowledge their mutual attraction and move forward


Personally, I believe many balls have been dropped in storylines.  Beckett's mother's murder is forgotten.  I think that is a huge mistake.  There were so many ways this could have played out—but her little references in two epi's have been met with no reply and no other discussion.  I am disappointed.  Also, Will is forgotten as well.  Last we saw him he was recouping and it looked like they would reconnect and now not even a reference about Will.  I think it is odd.  If he left her again I think we need to know that.  If she said NO to him we really need to know that too.  Then there is the Heat Wave book.  Did Beckett even finish it?  What did she think about it?  We don't know.  It has been left out of these last episodes.  I am curious—-Castle hasn't even asked anymore.

I think their future relationship needs stoking now.  We can not assume any season beyond this one.  THe references to other shows and the love interests hooking up too soon just don't fit for me.  The sexiest crime show in the last 25 years was Hart to Hart and they were married.  I loved it!  The writers haven't won me over this season.  I am not sure they can write a good relationship that can sustain.  I am not seeing the development that keeps and holds your interest.  They play up some hint of chemistry between Castle and Beckett and then it all but disappears for several episodes.  In my view they really need to move these two into showing their true feelings because it is going too slow right now.  Forget 4 seasons down the road—-season two needs punched up!

4:31 pm
November 14, 2009


KalliopePL

Warsaw, Poland

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 1924

Beckett's mother's murder is not forgotten. We're going to find out more about it probably early next year, as I've found out recently that Robert Picardo, who played "Doctor Death" in the last episode of the first season was called back for "Castle". I hope that this time Kate is going to talk to him…

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8:06 pm
November 14, 2009


Seriously?

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posts 399

I disagree that the murder of KB's mother has been forgotten. No, they haven't devoted episode after episode to it, however, the undertones have still been there. I do think that they have every intention of "going there" in coming episodes.

I do agree with you that they need to move Castle & Beckett forward, however, I actually do think they'll be doing just that… especially as they delve deeper in to her mother's murder. While I wasn't a huge fan of last week's episode, I absolutely don't feel as though they have dropped the ball. The upcoming episode looks like it will be great.

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10:15 pm
November 14, 2009


eroberts

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posts 5

I really think this show has the potential to go several more seasons

By looking at the sales of the book, it probably will go far in print as well

:)

Look at the Monk series as an example

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