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Beckett's profession? (timeline)
June 30, 2010
6:59 am
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I didn't find any hint about her original profession. (I hope I didn't miss it in older posts.)

 

What we know is that

1. She graduated at Stuy. As Madison was surprised to see the late scoffalow as a cop, it tells me that there were no sign of this until they finished high school.

2. During college she spent a semester in Kiev between junior and senior year (age 20-21?). It could mean either Russian literature (less likely, as it was never mentioned as her interest), political sciences or something else?

3. According to the Castle wiki, it was mentioned that she was 29 in the pilot and her mother's murder happened 10 years before (age 19). Somehow I doubt it as her father had serious alcohol problems in the first five years after the murder. I can not imagine that she would leave him alone for a semester while she was in Kiev, so the murder probably happened after this, meaning that she was 30-31 during the pilot.

4. That would mean that she started (maybe finished) to study something and then changed to the law enforcement. I do not know the NYPD system, but becoming a detective seargent (what she most likely is) you probably has to have either some special school (maybe law?) and/or some time with the force.

4. We know that she was not at the precinct 5 (now 6) years before and she never mentioned any previous post of her duty, so she probably started her police career there.

So what did she do in the years between high school graduation and her start at the precinct six years ago? Opinions?

June 30, 2010
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^^Reading Castle's books?

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June 30, 2010
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I do not know where this fits in, but don't forget her short modelling stint! Ask Ryan and Esposito for the incriminating evidence Laugh

 

That aside, I do not know much about the workings of law enforcement, but I would assume that attaining detective status is a combination of education (prior to joining the force or obtained while on the job), level of experience (not necessarily dependent  on the number of years served), and sponsorship or recommendation from a higher authority (in Beckett's case, that would have been Capt. Montgomery).

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June 30, 2010
9:04 am
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She was 17 when she made the photoshot, as far as I remember. It was just a summer job. That tennis skirt was veeeery attractive.Laugh

 

About her detective status I assumed the same. She must started in the precinct, as Montgomery told her in Sucker punch that she is his best "student" (not with these words, but that was the meaning), so probably he was his professional mentor. But five year seems a bit short for me if she started as a "mustang", from the very bottom of the ladder without any usable professional degree, like law. (At least it was short in the army when I did my duty.)

June 30, 2010
10:18 am
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The writers did say that they would be looking into Beckett's past in season 3 (or later?), so hopefully most if not all your questions will be addressed.

 

I wonder how long she was a beat cop when she just came out of the academy, and what precinct/area she served in. What precinct was Capt. Montgomery in before he took over homicide at the 12th? My thinking is that Beckett was a junior at the time at the same precinct and Montgomery brought her with him.

 

 Also, my assumption was that her father had recovered from his bought of alcoholism at that point (I'm going by the convseration Beckett and her father had at the cafe in the "Sucker Punch" episode), and he worried about her being out there whenever he heard police sirens…

 

In this same episode, I recall Beckett saying it had been 10 years since her mother's death.

 

We know they mentioned that Beckett had spent all her off-duty hours while she was a beat cop trying to solve her mother's murder, and that it almost ruined her before she was finally forced to give it up, but that time spent must have driven her or caught the attention of others (eg. Montgomery) to help her achieve detective sargeant status.

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June 30, 2010
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halaci said:

3. According to the Castle wiki, it was mentioned that she was 29 in the pilot and her mother's murder happened 10 years before (age 19). Somehow I doubt it as her father had serious alcohol problems in the first five years after the murder. I can not imagine that she would leave him alone for a semester while she was in Kiev, so the murder probably happened after this, meaning that she was

I think this is a little shaky. I assume that at 19 you're in university (I'm Canadian and went to school under a different system, so I might be wrong.) Suppose she does a semester in Kiev, comes back, then the murder happens. She's still 19 and what, just finished freshman year? A sophomore? Her father starts drinking, which is bad, but for the first year he assures her things are going to get better and she believes him. It's not until the drinking drags on that she becomes convinced there's a problem. In hindsight, it gets labeled as something that started with the murder but while it was happening, there was a tendency to think, oh, it's just a phase.

I could be wrong, too: there might have been an explicit mention that the murder happened while she was in high school; I don't remember. The reasoning here still works, though: for the first year or two, she is sure the drinking will get better. Her father perhaps hides it from her–bad drinkers have been known to do that–and she goes to Kiev, thinking that everything's all right. It's only when she gets back that it's obvious how far he's slipped.

Just an alternate interpretation.

June 30, 2010
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John McMullen said:

The reasoning here still works, though: for the first year or two, she is sure the drinking will get better. Her father perhaps hides it from her–bad drinkers have been known to do that–and she goes to Kiev, thinking that everything's all right. It's only when she gets back that it's obvious how far he's slipped.

Just an alternate interpretation.


 This was my assumption about the timeline too. 

On any show, I wonder how much the writers think about this sort of timeline before they head into a story and how much is created as they go along and notice that people are paying attention or they need to explain details for the purpose of the story.

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June 30, 2010
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John McMullen said:

I assume that at 19 you're in university (I'm Canadian and went to school under a different system, so I might be wrong.) Suppose she does a semester in Kiev, comes back, then the murder happens. She's still 19 and what, just finished freshman year? A sophomore? 


 

She told in 2x01 that she was in Kiev between her junior and senior year, that's why I put the murder after her age of 20-21 (honestly, I didn't find that 29 year old mentioning in the episode, but
maybe I was not thorough enough). I think that no matter how hard his father alcoholism was, after the murder she would not leave him alone for half a year: both of them needed the other one.

I'm also almost sure that the murder didn't happen during her high school years. She recalls them as nice memories. I think Madison would have mention it to Castle when they talked about her type of guy. Not necessarily in an explicit way but when you describes someone who had changed significantly during your fellowship (and the murder had definitely changed Beckett), you express it in your sentences. Madison talked about her as she was the same during their time.

 

dmcw: I do not think that the writers think ahead so much. I'm sure that whithout the internet and the instant and constant fan reactions they wouldn't even bother to match the different bits of information because most of these – honestly- are not important ones. Just for us fans, who I bet spend at least as much time thinking about our favourite show and character as the writers.

June 30, 2010
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John McMullen said:

Suppose she does a semester in Kiev, comes back, then the murder happens. She's still 19 and what, just finished freshman year? A sophomore? 


 

Most schools will not let a freshman do a semester abroad. It's generally done credit-wise, and unless there are excellent recommendations (and even then, it's rare), the committee doesn't waver on regulations.

I am intrigued by this timeline thing, and I do hope they address this in depth in season 3 smile

June 30, 2010
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Just want to contribute that I don't remember ever hearing any reference to age 29 in the pilot either…is there anyone else out there who knows what line that was in? And just out of curiosity, how do we know that she wasn't at the precinct 6 years ago (when was that stated?) smile 

 

Personally I always assumed that Beckett was in her early thirties during the pilot. I do agree with the poster who pointed out the possibility of her Kiev trip occurring after the murder, because even if her father had starting drinking it could still have been too early in the game for either of them to realize what a problem it was. Plus, taken in a different light, the Kiev trip may then also have partly been an excuse for her to get away from New York and the painful memories of her mother for a while. However, unless someone can find the explicit reference to 29 in the pilot, that age seems a little young to me. 

 

If I can get a little obscure and start pulling reference points from else where (because isn't that what we obsessed fans do best?, I'm sure we can go with the assumption that Beckett and Castle must be fairly similar in age. Alexis is at least fifteen or sixteen (do we know her actual age for sure?) That means that if she was born when Castle was around, say, 21, he's at least 36 or 37 now. And if she was born when he was about 24 or 25 (which I personally think is a more likely age, especially given that we have to factor in time for him to have written his first bestseller and dated Kira before marrying Meredith), then he's now 40 or very close to it. 29 and 40 – an eleven year age difference? It's possible, but I think it's less likely. I prefer to think of her as in her early thirties and him as in his later thirties. 

 

I have to say I'm also intrigued by this timeline and about the idea of how much the writers themselves have considered it. At the same time, I think that with a little tweaking a lot of it does fall logically into place on its own even if they haven't explicitly planned it out in this detail. 

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June 30, 2010
1:47 pm
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ask8ingstudent:

In the "Chill goes through her vein" Beckett tells Castle that when this murder happened (five years ago) she had not yet been in the precinct, that's why she didn't know the detective on the case.

Alexis was 15 in the pilot, at the very beginning during the book launch party she tells Castle that she is just 15 and not allowed to drink champagne. So Castle is probably closer to his 4th X than to the third.

June 30, 2010
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I'm at work (supposed to be working) so I can't do this, but can someone go take a look at the episode where Castle gets the case file from Esposito and see if there is a date marked in the file in the scene where Castle is reading it?

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June 30, 2010
2:16 pm
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I don't see a date listed

June 30, 2010
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thumper said:

I'm at work (supposed to be working) so I can't do this, but can someone go take a look at the episode where Castle gets the case file from Esposito and see if there is a date marked in the file in the scene where Castle is reading it?


 

Same way of thinking… Laugh  That was my first try, but unfortunately neither on the file box nor on the ME report you can not see any date. The ref.code No. on the ME report is also not meaningful. I've checked the 1x10 too when Castle gives the case file to Dr Death, but no luck.

June 30, 2010
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Rats. That would have been just too easy I guess Angry

 

I've lost the interview Stana did with the set designer discussing Beckett's apartment before they blew it up. Didn't they say they stocked it up with lots of travel books (in reference to her Kiev trip)? But does that make her well-travelled, or dream of travelling?

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