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10:24 am
February 5, 2010

Moby Dick

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I believe the writers are indeed progressing towards a physical (romantic) scene between these two.It absolutely has to happen for this series to go forward.How they write it in will be the interesting part.They will need to make it part of the overall theme of this series and keep B&C flirting with each other but maybe with more interest.
I look for a kiss in an elevator.It's where they have bared their personal baggage to each other all through the series.It has to be initiated by C but accepted by B. They keep it to themselves as B & C worry about their reps. The writers could get many great scenes of them sneaking a quick kiss or hug at a critical or romantic time in the show.While they think they are being so secret about it,everyone else knows what's going on.Lanie becomes closer to B as a friend to share B's romantic musings about C and to help them get together.
Ryan and Esposito watch with interest as things start heating up.Martha and Alexis know of course as C can't keep anything secret from either of them.

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3:49 am
February 10, 2010

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hello! I am sure I posted this already 5 or 6 hours ago.. but it hasn't appeared for some bizarre reason.. anyway I will try again and apologies if eventually it is apparent this is a double post..

I posted the following post on the ep 15 pre episode discussion thread, right before the episode aired.. good one.. great way to have no one read it!! hehehee.. so thought maybe here was a good place to post since it was a general relationship post anyway… love to hear people's thoughts..

Originally posted on episode 15 pre discussion thread:

hello! yeah that interview of Stana's has shed some light on how things will be going in the near future at least.. interesting!!

I see what you mean about not wanting to see them dating others.. Yeah it does sound like this neighbour could be it – good detective work

I want our favourite couple to get together in a timely way… when I hear of them dating others I freak out that uh oh… it will be a long road before they get together ( but this is not necessarily true!!) ..

When I calm down about it – I can see that they are at a stage where they are still getting to know each other.. and there is room for them to date others – and it could be fun to see how the writers do it… I can very easily see Castle dating someone- maybe even someone who is lovely- but.. without realising it, he has already given his heart to beckett.. I can see him being with the lady and being called away to murders at a moment's notice.. and her at first being understanding- but then meeting Beckett and being less understanding and.. hearing him talk about the case.. and talk about Beckett..

A girlfriend for Castle's could be very 'useful' plot wise – to hold a mirror up to Castle- and get him to move forward.. Why, I can just see her dumping him – and telling him straight that Beckett is the one he is really in a relationship with.. she is the one whose call he always takes..and who he has time for.. you know what I mean????

As for Beckett getting some action.. I would love to see her with a great guy other than castle.. who is actually a possibility for her – unlike fbi guy and fireman guy- someone who would shake up Castle and maybe force him to Act on his feelings for her!!!

There is also the old cliche of someone dating someone who is just like the person they are secretly really attracted to- only to find something is 'missing'.. ie Beckett dates a fun intelligent guy who is alot like Castle- but.. the 'thing' just isnt' there!!

I understand the whole idea of having the conflicts come from within – I think the presence of someone else they are dating can be a means to demonstrating those internal conflicts – rather than a conflict in and of itself..

Now I have heard there will be others they are dating, I have calmed down.. toughened up a bit and am ready to go into the trenches! ha haaaa.. don't worry guys.. we can suffer through it together!! – just so long as they are true to the characters and don't push it with us! ha haaaa..

It sounds like (IMO!!) Castle and Beckett will continue to grow together – and become a bit like Harry and Sally in 'when harry met sally' – remember them? they knew each other so well, and were best friends.. and when Harry dated a young girl who had a business selling desserts – sally says ' But harry doesn't even like dessert!' – I can totally see them being like that.. and boy harry and sally loved loved loved to bicker!!

I mentioned somewhere the idea of starting a thread where we can discuss other tv shows, movies or couples or whatever that feed into our Castle obsession – I don't think I saw anyone reply to that idea-??? and I wouldn't know what to call it and don't want to overstep and start a thread I shouldn't. I'm still feeling newish here..

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8:55 am
February 10, 2010

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I absoluty love the secret dating idea where they think they are being all secret about it but in reality everyone knows! It would be a great way to get them together but not change much in the Work invironment they could even pretend to be seeing other people. It would be a fun thing to do and I think it could all start with something as simple as an accediental kiss maybe even from one of the many times Beckett gets mad and gets in Castle's face it would take little movement from him just to plant one on her and then they might start acting a bit strange around each other like they aren't sure were this is going then after a while they decide they wanna give it a try but don't wanna tell anyone in case it doesn't work out…I dunno seems like a cool idea :)

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8:57 am
February 10, 2010

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Doz…I like your take on the dating others business. I guess I knew it was inevitable (especially now that Jose Molina said in chat that other relationships would happen and that if C/B became too serious, the show would turn into Hart to Hart and the detective foreplay would have to stop).

If I calm down, too, I see how relationships with others could certainly advance C/B's relationship by making them realize how much stronger a connection they have with each other than anyone else. I just hope the writers would let us see that kind of process going on through something like Castle discussions with his family or Beckett discussions with Lanie…or situations that happen with the people they are dating that are troubled because of the C/B relationship like Doz said.

I also hope that somewhere in all that, they give us a C/B kiss…I'm sure it would be followed by confusion, backing off by Beckett, and misunderstanding, but I need something to tide me over!

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9:26 am
February 10, 2010

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one brilliant way to show relationship development without advancing the relationship was when the Bachelor/Bachelorette-journalist told us "You went on and on about her. Beckett is the best this, Beckett said the funniest that… Last year you only talked about yourself." – well, she told Castle, but we were the ones who got the message, he didn't. Excellent writing.

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9:57 am
February 10, 2010

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abc123 said:

"I think it is the time to push them forward to another uncomfortable level, a step up that perhaps they aren't so sure about, one which both or one is pushing against. Right now a new level of tension needs to be introduced, some sort of physical tension, an uncomfortable movement toward eachother in a physical way. So far we have seen them get in the others physical space because of circumstances due to cases and they seem ok with that because they weren't there yet, they weren't in a place that either could seriously think something would come of it. But what happens now when you are amping the flirting up on both parts, especially Beckett's and then a circumstance puts them very close to the other and it makes them want something more and at the same time be uncomfortable about. Sort of like the "You Smell Like Cherries" ampted up.

That's what I think should be next."

I believe many of us feel the same way."The cherries " put them face to face and you could just feel it about to happen.(Kate was obviously flustered by the moment of pure heat)Maybe a writer will stage a simular incident and not have Ryan or Esposito interupt the scene before they act on the mutual attraction.That particular scene remains one of my alltime favorites in this series.

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12:20 pm
February 11, 2010

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Question: I’m obsessed with Castle. Scoop me! —Denise
Ausiello: I’m hearing something about Beckett getting a significant new love interest by season’s end.

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12:54 pm
February 11, 2010

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I don't know how significant any love interest for Beckett & Castle really ever is.
Will was set to be significant and that really didn't last two long on our screens.
Alyssa Milano's ex-love was said to be significant and she came and went in one episode.

Won't getting a significant love-intest be like repeating the Will story again. Isn't it going to tap into the same reaction from Castle reguarding him, similar to what happened with Will.

Based on Stana's comments in TV Guide we know that they are both going to date others and see how each of them reacts to the other dating. I suppose that Castle does do non-serious dating, while Kate isn't the mess around type. Perhaps something that happens to her in 17 & 18 effects her and them. There are still 6 episodes after 18. Usually things don't really play out as they appear, usually somebody who causes conflict for Beckett or Castle just shows up for a few episodes and then they are gone .. gone… gone..

What always amazes me about shows like this is, they will spread out the hookup of the two main characters in an unbelievable way and yet on the other extreme, if new love interests appear they mock spead them to serious

12:56 pm
February 11, 2010

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Part of me says "noooooooooo" to the whole Beckett new love intrest thing but at the same time cast and Beckett can't go on with the UST thing and not date other people is it wrong of me to say that if Beckett dates another guy and hurts her (emotionally) I want castle to be there for her

1:17 pm
February 11, 2010

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I think that both Will and Kyra were significant. Well, Will was supposed to be significant but Bailey Chase is on another show, so they can't really use the character like they would have. And Kyra was significant for Castle (and Beckett, i.e. "He's all yours") but she couldn't be in more than one episode–she did get married after all.

I like the idea of Beckett getting a significant new love interest. Even though we see Beckett and Castle get jealous at the thought of the other having a date, they don't realize they're jealous. And I think one of them getting into a relationship, not just a silly date like in "The Third Man", will make the other realize (or get close to realizing) the extent of their feelings for the other. After all, we always come to realize what we want when we don't have it. Plus, it'll make for some great tension if Castle tries to interfere in some way to keep Kate from going out with the guy; even if neither of them realize why he's doing it.

1:29 pm
February 11, 2010

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I agree that Will and Kyra were significant, but they both weren't on enough episodes to really cause too much of an issue between Castle and Beckett. Both characters seemed, more than anything, to add to the backstories of Castle and Beckett and cause a little surface jealousy. And for Beckett, Kyra let her see a "real" woman who Castle once loved. In chat, Jose Molina indicated that they had big plans for a storyline with Will, but he had an acting conflict.

But neither Castle nor Beckett has been in a real-time new relationship, and as much as I will hate suffering though it, I agree with Beckett2.0…there is the potential for a lot more emotion and tension to be created when someone is coming between them on a more long-term basis…just not too long, please!

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2:26 pm
February 11, 2010

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I think I'm okay with this. Especially if it's someone new, and not someone from her past.

Becklers do it with the beckle on.

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4:27 pm
February 11, 2010

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I'm not sure what to think of the lastest news. The writers have done such a wonderful job without using gimmicks or jerking us around that I'm going to trust them to do this right. Significant would suggest somebody we're going to see a lot of wouldn't it?

I can't help but wonder if it's going to be Castle. But new suggests somebody we haven't met yet.

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4:39 pm
February 11, 2010

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This is going to be really interesting… and somebody new as a love interest for Kate is really good idea. And I think it should be really serious thing, but ending in tears, for example the guy is killed and Castle has to comfort Beckett…

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4:51 pm
February 11, 2010

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Molina said they had a storyline in mind that they wanted to use Will for. Stana said at the beginning of the season that they had plans to bring Will back at some point in the season. I honestly think the plan was to bring Will back for episode 17 & 18 and perhaps a few more after that. Having the FBI in that storyline would have worked beside what we know so far. I never take what these entertainment reporters say to heart, significant love interest before the end of season 2. I agree with those who said Will & Kyra were both significant and yet they only came on for a few episodes.

I can take a third party so long as I'm not forced to get to know or route for the outside party.
I need them to just be a plot point, something that creates tension for Beckett & Castle and does not become the focus of the storyline. I'm not interested in seeing Beckett or Castle fall in love with others, I'm not watching for that, I can deal with the conflict if it is kept in the right content.
We have to assume that at Kate's very core she does not fool around freely with men, so of course for her to have any sort of dating relationship it would have to mean she was enjoying herself and her dates with the other person VS Castle who can just have sex with his ex (deep fried twinky), his interior decorator and so on and not really have to have it mean anything or lead to anything. Frankly I'm not sure that Castle is really looking to find a partner for life, he has his home life and I think he looks to women for a good time and some companionship, but he has been married twice. While Beckett is more about the relationship and finding the right person. Other people at this point are only going to amount to a vechicle in which they are somehow brought together, at some point both or one of them must realize that the person with whom they are with is not it. Essentially I think that Castle is going to be the person who shows his hand first, because she doesn't really seeing him as a relationship option and he is going to be forced to perhaps come face to face with his fear or wrecking what he has with her vs not really having her as he does right now. Currently there are no outside parties to demand their time or take away from the time the spend togehter. His calling her or her calling him can be done freely because they are not connected to others. Her calling on him for help with her mothers case or him taking this on himself can be done now, because both are free and not romantically attached to others. But Castle's got another book to write and I'm not sure how any romantic lover interest would feel about his writing of Niki Heat and the relationship the two leads of the book have and how they are both based on a part of Beckett and a part of Castle.

5:55 pm
February 11, 2010

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If guy x (becketts love intrest) finds out about the upcoming Nikki Heat book I can imagine him getting pissed at confronting castle.

6:40 pm
February 11, 2010

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I don't think significant necessarily means we'll see the character for several episodes. Like others have said, Kyra and Will were considered at the time to be "significant", mainly because they provided back story for Castle & Beckett, respectively. And it could be significant in a bad way, like someone who works for the person who ordered the hit on Beckett's mom trying to find out how much Beckett knows by being really charming and intelligent (like Castle so she'll be interested), but who really doesn't care. And then Castle figures out what the guy is really up to and comes to the rescue…Just a thought.

But, as much as I want to see Castle & Beckett together, I think she deserves some happiness, so it'd be nice to see her with a good guy. And I like the idea of him being like Castle only with something missing.

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1:18 pm
February 12, 2010

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I was just watching so old castle episodes. I'm sure this has been discussed but I thought I would bring it up again.

In "Little Girl Lost"
Beckett sees Will at the scene, she leaves Castle's area and is zoned in on Will. Right away Castle notices this, picks up on how effected Kate is. Castle waits to be introduced to Will by Beckett as if he is an after thought. Skip to elevator, as we look in, Beckett is in her spot on the left and Castle his on the right (reverse if you are in the elevator). Beckett & Castle don't exchange words at first, it's awkward and then Kate blurts out 6 months, we dated for 6 months. Castle says I didn't ask, Beckett, yeah I know, you were not asking very loudly. Skip to the kiss, which Castle walks in on, sees. Later Beckett wants to explain the kiss and there is an awkward exchange between Castle & Beckett in which Castle lets Beckett off the hook by telling her he thinks he understands Nicky Heat better than she think (meaning that he understands Beckett and what happened)..Castle calls Will a nice guy near the end of the episode. Will & Becket worked on a kidnapping case in past, Castle and Beckett are working on this kidnapping case now. Castle is able to help Beckett save the child, unlike Will. Will tells Castle that he is jealous that I hooked her, Castle responds, what's to be jealous of, you couldn't reel her in. Will left Beckett to goto Boston…Beckett didn't follow Will to Boston.

Skip to "A Rose for Everafter"
The are at the crime scene, and Castle happens on Kyra, he has the same reaction as Beckett did when she say Will, Beckett notices Castle's reaction just as he did hers. Skip to the elevator, Beckett & Castle in the same spots they were in "Lost Girl". Castle, we met in college, we were together nearly three years. Beckett responds, I didn't ask. Castle replies, yes,you were not asking very loudly. Skip to the fact that Beckett also sees Castle & Kyra kissing, not in person but thru the photo. Castle explains what he did as just being kiss. Beckett calls Kyra real. Castle wrote a dedication to K.B (Kyra) on his 2nd novel. Castle just wrote a dedication to K.B. (Kate) on his latest book. My guess is kyra was the one that got away, Kate will not be.
Kyra left Castle to goto Paris…Castle didn't follow Kyra

"The Third Man"
The both go on Blind dates, she with Mr July and he with #3. While on the dates their actions mirror the others, neither are interested in the date and both are all about the case. Move to the elevator, they are in the elevator sharing date stories as they head out to share a burger and shake.

Now it will be interesting to see, if the show brings on love interests for both of them, will they once again mirror what the other is doing?

3:18 pm
February 12, 2010

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What a fabulous post, abc123! Obviously, we all picked up on the "You were not asking very loudly" in the elevator parallels but wow, it really goes on and on. Nicely done. These writers are really on the ball, huh? I will definitely be watching for these types of things in future. FTB!

4:16 pm
February 12, 2010

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Elevators have been featured in several scenes in the series. Many of us believe that it will be on an elevator where they finally embrace/hug/kiss.

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Just WHO is guy X ????????? How did I miss that one?
Little help here. Now please!

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4:25 pm
February 12, 2010

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Moby Dick said:

Elevators have been featured in several scenes in the series. Many of us believe that it will be on an elevator where they finally embrace/hug/kiss.

musiclover
Just WHO is guy X ????????? How did I miss that one?
Little help here. Now please!

We don't know yet who the guy X is. Ausiello has mentioned in his Ask Ausiello column at EW.com that Beckett's is getting a significant new love interest by season’s end.

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4:51 pm
February 12, 2010

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Thank you so much Kalliope for the fast response.

I don't think I can handle Beckett with another love interest. Fencing
Castle will go nutz and so will I.
It somehow just seems so wrong. I (very strongly dislike) the guy already.
Better not be the guy in the book store that handed her the note.(when she came to the book reading in that hot pink dress).
Damn,that's just disturbing on so many levels. Angry
Beckett gets a new love,i'm so showing my A**.

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5:08 pm
February 12, 2010

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This is what he said , word for word…

"Question: I'm obsessed with “Castle.” Scoop me! —Denise Ausiello: I'm hearing something about Beckett getting a significant new love interest by season's end."

Before we get ahead of ourselves, he did not confirm it and just noted that he is hearing something.
Now perhaps he heard about a casting call, a planned guest appearence by an actor who is known.
Significant can mean that it will be significant to her, it could mean that it is significant to the storyline or as others have noted perhaps it's won't factor as we think it will, the person could be bad and put her at risk or significant could mean that the actor is significant in that he is a known actor. We already can pretty much goto to the bank that Castle & Beckett are going to date others for a while, Stana said it and so did Marlowe the creator of the show, he said she will date someone and he will date someone, there will be missied opportunities and near misses.

I wouldn't worry..
Sure some of us would like some forward movement now, but I think we are getting that. If you go back to the first episode of the season, Beckett & Castle are at odds, ready to part ways and that was just 15 episodes ago, now Beckett is willingly working wih Castle and it's because she wants him there. She is open to the idea of the two of them catching her mothers killer together. Frankly they are both going thru the motions when it comes to dating, they seem as if they need to prove something to themselves and to eachother.
I think Castle being on that list and Beckett being sighting as his love interest really hit them. Flirting is one thing, but when somebody puts it down on paper and you read it, somehow the idea no longer is some game, it starts to be more than an idea and now your left to think what if this article were true, then what.
For Castle it is, am I ready to be in a serious relationship with someone I respect and would demand that I respect our relationship and give up my image and flirty ways. For Beckett it's about giving in, about setting the standard for herself that she would never fall for man-dog Castle's charms like all the other flaky girls do. It's about if I get there then what, what is he really going to give me,what is this about.

I want to point another thing from the past out. Will asks Beckett if she likes Castle, her response is a pause then unconvincing no and then I find him interesting. We know that Kate Beckett is a big fan of Castle's, that she has actually read all his books,she is interested in him……….Who else read all his books, the other brunette the one that got away, she told Beckett in the elevator, I still read all rick's books, that's how she knew that Beckett's name was Kate. Simply put I think that Kate Beckett is interested in Castle's work and the way his mind works when it comes to writing, just as I think Kyra was. While I think that both of his ex-wives simply didn't care about his writing, just about the things that it could afford them.

5:18 pm
February 12, 2010

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@mncastlefan love it! Tho I don't like the wait you have on the relationship but I agree on the not breaking up and getting back together stuff that is anyoning and of course so are the other bfs and gfs

My thoughts are a bit different! I would love it if in their search for the gangster that hired the guy to kill Johanna Beckett, they find out his name. Either through interrogation of a witness to some other murder or something Beckett's Dad tells her about her Mom offhandedly! Her mom knew the killer and he was familiar with her Dad as well. They see this as their opportunity to bring him out of hiding by staging one of those good ol' Irish Weddings! (remember this involved the Westies, The Irish Mob so to speak!) THey set up Beckett for the bride and of course Castle is the groom! They play it up with the Irish crowd and invite the guy that Johanna knew that had her killed! Her Father of course, is blind to this as a setup, but everyone else in the precinct knows. Ryan of course is in charge of finding a cop to be the minister….he finds a friend of his that is a Justice of the Peace and is supposed to let him in on this is just for pretend. That tidbit of info never made it to the Justice. The wedding arrives the crord arrives the bride looks beautiful, even with her gun in her bouquet! Castle makes all sort of wedding jokes prior to the big day….Beckett rolls her eyes and tells him he should feel alot better, this one won't cost him alimony! ha When Castle sees Beckett, coming down the aisle with her father, he really feels in the moment. He has forgotten it is a set up. He swallows hard and has his eyes locked on Beckett the entire time. When Beckett sees Castle's look, she is drawn in…she forgets and has to look away to break his hold on her. THey say their vows, but Caslte wrote his own! (Beckett says, What is he doing? This isn't part of the plan!) He tells her she has changed him and he likes the man he has become since meeting her. Beckett melts, they kiss as pretend man and wife. Beckett, rides the wave of emotion—-then all hell breaks loose as they grab the Irish Mobster and take him away for the murder of Johanna Beckett. THe reception that was filled with cops……breaks up and all that's left is the precinct's little family, Ryan, Esposito, Montgomery, Castle and Beckett…..Ryan's phone rings—it is the Justice of the Peace….he signed the marriage license and wants Ryan to come pick it up downstairs! Ryan swallows hard and says WHAT? What marriage license?? He says it so loud, that Castle and Beckett star him straight in the eyes! He is yelling now—–"The wedding was not real, it was a set up man!" The marriage is real?? What???? Beckett is incensed……Castle is amused….

THe justice tells them they have to go through filing an absolution of marriage and wait for a judge to rule the dissolution of marriage! An Annulment! Oh my god! Beckett goes off…….marriage???? She can't be married to Richard Castle? Castle is hurt….he tells Beckett privately he had nothing to do with this, but that if they get the papers he will sign the annulment if tha tis what Beckett wants. He leaves….

He goes off to soothe his emotions….Beckett goes off to explain to her father that it was not real …he is confused. She says she is too….she sits along and just can not believe what happened….but then she remembers what Caslte's vows were…and how handsome he looked. She knows she hurt him. She knows they need to talk.

She goes over to his apartment. He is upstairs playing the piano…..Martha answers. Beckett and Martha exchange hugs…..Martha tells Beckett he is upstairs……she goes up the stairs and sees him sitting at the piano playing a very slow, sad song……she stops and just stares at this man. He confuses her so much, she is mad one minute at him….then he just tugs at her heart. It is as if he sees her, he stops playing and says out loud…..I signed them. They're on the piano. She walks over and sits by him on the stool. "Look Kate, you certainly are not the first woman that wanted out of a marriage to me….it's ok. At least I won't have to pay for this one….." She says, for what it's worth, you said some really beautiful things today, thank you.

He says I meant every word Kate….She leans in and kisses his cheek, he turns and sees tears in her eyes as she says,

You would make a wonderful husband, Castle. "Just not yours, he says.

She takes the annulment papers and leaves quietly as he continues sitting at the piano but not playing…..She turns to look at him as he slowly, thinking she is gone lays his head down on the piano and cries…..

Once at home Kate, is restless. She hurt him. She is confused. Her heart is attracted to him, he lets her be herself and allowed her to have fun again. He is good for her. She gets up…takes the papers and tears them up. She will find a day, the right day, to tell Castle they are still man and wife. She will never annul the marriage…but she'll find the right moment to share what she really feels when she can deal with all of her emotions. Today is not that day. It can wait….

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great story Beckett Brigade!

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