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Castle in an article discussing the depiction of committed relationships on TV 4/6/11
April 7, 2011
1:24 am
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kelkoe said:

definate kudos for posting this article. its great to know that someone is just as invested in this show as we are and we are also pulling apart the show for everything, watching for all the right moves and all the slip ups.

A good relationship regardless of who it is really depends on how the writer does his job. I know we live in a society that has more divorces than solid marriages that last. i hope that the writers of the show can live for becketts mantra of 'one and done" even if the person beckett wants to be with wasn't necessarily a one and done kind of person.

 

everything that i have seen in the show follows a natural progression of a relationship albeit the fact that C&B have only kissed once. I guess thats what keeps our eyes peeled to the tv thinking that we might see another kiss somewhere along the line ( i still tell the tv would you kiss her and get it over with again?!)

this is one of the reasons i find the show so fasinating. i am glad that even though C&B are the heart of the show they are putting the relationship on the back burner to showcase the other relationships between the characters. If it wasnt for our 'bromance' we wouldnt have such hilarious quips from ryan and esposito. If it wasnt for martha and alexis then we wouldnt have that 'family' relationship.

think of each character as a link on a chain and if the chain is broken then the link cant work together.         

You know what I think is interesting is that I don't get the idea that Castle likes that he is twice divorced.  Allow me to explain, I think that he wishes that he was able to find his one and done.  He thought Kyra was that person, but than she left.  Then he has said he thought it was the right thing to do when he married Merideth.  Some might think that is stupid, but I see his point.  With Gina, I feel like he thought he was doing the right thing again b/c he thought Alexis needed a strong female figure in her life, but it seems like it might have been a forced relationship that he wanted to work b/c he thought it was for the best.  Despite his playboy imagine we have seen that it is exactly that… and imagine.  He was faithful in both marriages and though he has only phased out of his "lil black book" time recently he was careful to not just bring any woman into his home b/c at the end of the day Alexis is the most important person in his life.  So now that he knows Beckett's stance on marriage and he has learned from his past mistakes he wants to prove that he isn't a playboy and he can be one and done. He respects Beckett for not wanting to just settle and marry because that's what people do.  As we have also seen, unlike in the past when he kept his dating life separate from his family, he actually appreciates Beckett's opinion about whatever Alexis is going through and I think that is part of the reason he has such strong feelings towards her.  He wouldn't want to be one and done with a woman he can't trust to be a part of his family.  He doesn't want to make the mistakes that he did in the past with Marideth cheating and Gina being so distant.  Yes, Beckett is passionate about her job, but I think she's even more passionate about being there for the people close to her heart

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April 7, 2011
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oh i totally agree with you alie!! at that point in his life he thought they were 'one and done' relationships but of course someone else has a "higher authority" to know what path you take in life. 

I know that we all look at our own life in this way. what would happen if i did this? what would happen if i did that? if i didn't go to college? if i married that person instead of this person? we all go through those questions sometime or another during our life (god knows i have many many times) i am still glad i went to college though!!

he married meredith because of the fact that she was already pregnant with alexis (right please correct if wrong here!!)

he married gina because he thought she needed a female to talk to about stuff that only gals want to talk about.  

i know that throughout my life i always believed that you should be married before making love. surprisingly my thoughts have changed as i have grown older (im 32 and married) but i still believe that you should be at least 21 before doing something like that because at some point in your life you might regret what you did. if someone asks me my age i still feel like telling them i am 21 even though i am 32 (stana and i are only 4 months apart in age btw)

     i am wondering if castle and beckett get together what happens if gina shows up to his book release party? is she still his agent right?

April 7, 2011
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he married meredith because of the fact that she was already pregnant with alexis (right please correct if wrong here!!)

he married gina because he thought she needed a female to talk to about stuff that only gals want to talk about.  

 

Here is as good of a timeline as we have of Rick Castle's life … http://castletv.net/casefiles/…..e_Timeline

 

i am wondering if castle and beckett get together what happens if gina shows up to his book release party? is she still his agent right?

wrong! :jester: Gina (played by Monet Mazur) is his PUBLISHER. They send the books to the bookstores. Paula Haas played by Debi Mazar in BOUGH is his AGENT. She represents him in negotiations with the publisher and movie producers. Gina / Black Pawn continues to be his publisher and I assume that Paula is still his agent, but we have not seen or heard from her since BOUGH early on in season two (ep 5).

Oh but what happens IF Castle and Beckett get together (and will admit that they are jealous) and then Gina "shows up"?  Gina already has shown a little cattiness towards Beckett. In GAME she wouldn't let go of Rick when he tried to give Beckett a hug (assumed) and again in ANATOMY when Rick asked Gina if he could go to the spa with the girls and then Beckett called and Gina was kind of snotty in the way she said "I see you have other plans".  Gina and Beckett's interactions could be very "soap opera-ish" and highly entertaining popcorn::

April 7, 2011
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dmcw said:

I found this fascinating:

http://henryjenkins.org/2011/0…..diffi.html

amen! thanks for sharing this.

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April 7, 2011
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jrabbit said:

he married meredith because of the fact that she was already pregnant with alexis (right please correct if wrong here!!)

he married gina because he thought she needed a female to talk to about stuff that only gals want to talk about.  

 

Here is as good of a timeline as we have of Rick Castle's life … http://castletv.net/casefiles/…..e_Timeline

 

i am wondering if castle and beckett get together what happens if gina shows up to his book release party? is she still his agent right?

wrong! :jester: Gina (played by Monet Mazur) is his PUBLISHER. They send the books to the bookstores. Paula Haas played by Debi Mazar in BOUGH is his AGENT. She represents him in negotiations with the publisher and movie producers. Gina / Black Pawn continues to be his publisher and I assume that Paula is still his agent, but we have not seen or heard from her since BOUGH early on in season two (ep 5).

Oh but what happens IF Castle and Beckett get together (and will admit that they are jealous) and then Gina "shows up"?  Gina already has shown a little cattiness towards Beckett. In GAME she wouldn't let go of Rick when he tried to give Beckett a hug (assumed) and again in ANATOMY when Rick asked Gina if he could go to the spa with the girls and then Beckett called and Gina was kind of snotty in the way she said "I see you have other plans".  Gina and Beckett's interactions could be very "soap opera-ish" and highly entertaining popcorn::

i've often wondered if monet mazur's real life pregnancy had altered the course of events in this season… ie. had she not become pregnant and made it no longer possible to keep her on the show without an explantion for the baby bump, would gina and castle have broken up so early, and would the storyline have gone in a completely different direction?

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April 7, 2011
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They might have dragged it out until the end of the season, just like Josh/Beckett. uh Uhh… not sure I would have liked that. I'm actually glad we'll never know.

April 7, 2011
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kelkoe said:

A good relationship regardless of who it is really depends on how the writer does his job. I know we live in a society that has more divorces than solid marriages that last. i hope that the writers of the show can live for becketts mantra of 'one and done" even if the person beckett wants to be with wasn't necessarily a one and done kind of person.


i figured i would quote myself here. i was thinking about what i had written here and rehashed the underlined sentence. today's society shows more people divorcing than ever before. like the article stated and more so the comments at the bottom of the article. tv stars are showing that divorce is the best way to go and you can hook up with whoever whenever you want. it doesnt help that the paparazzi have hay days finding all this juicy gossip on people. personally i would rather they show good wholesome stuff than anything else. who really cares that so and so is doing what to so and so.    

now i am not saying that castles divorces were bad or ugly or whatever but if you look at becketts point of view here she sees this excess stuff and of course wonders about it. if it were me i would wonder if i was making the right decision or not.

 

there will be more just cant think right now…           

April 7, 2011
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This article highlights yet another reason I like Castle – because of the mature relationships it depicts.  One reason, I didn't watch the show during its first season was because I assumed it was just another police procedural where the two main characters who both happen to be hot) sleep together right off the bat then spend the rest of the show's run shagging off and on, working on murders and trying to figure out how they feel about each other.  Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.  For once, we've got a main character who has something that keeps him grounded – his daughter and mother and keeps him from becoming a total and complete playboy and from jumping into bed with the female lead right away.  Plus, she is protective of herself, has a painful secret that the main character notices right off and doesn't want to toy with (at least not right away), but saucy enough to keep him interested.  Very nuanced, somewhat complex, but still mature. 

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April 8, 2011
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I hope I'm not making this too personal, but I haven't seen any bring it up yet.  It seems to me that what this show has writer-wise that others do not is a team at the helm who happened to have what looks to be a very solid rewarding marriage.  Terri Miller and Andrew Marlowe have been married over 13 years, 2 kids…  in Hollywood?  That's a rarity.  From what I could see, they married in their 30s so these characters are very much of the same timeline (i.e. they didn't marry right out of college).  Having that solid basis and having the respect for that solid basis is one of the key ingredients to making Castle work on such an deep emotional level. 

I'm sure there are those out there who say, "Who cares?  Let's just get them together already!" but it seems to me that the writers do care; about building something lasting for these two characters and about showing how that can be just as wonderful as getting instant gratification before moving on to the next person.  And there may even be cynics who quote divorce statistics or teen drug or pregnancy rates and say the relationships on the show are fairytale.  And that makes me wonder if this show, with it's ability to make emotional attachments in the fans causes people take a peek at their lives and see something they didn't want to see.  It's easy then to blame the writers for jerking the fans around, but maybe, just maybe, what has really happened is they've managed to write it so well, that they shine light where it wasn't before. 

That light may even include the cast and crew for all we know.  As much as they are in the spolight, we really know very little about the cast but sometimes I wonder if even they end up giving more away than they mean to when they are talking about these characters.  Look at these boards!  You can't help but get involved.  Think about what it is like to live these characters day after day!

It's made me think… and learn.  I don't know about anyone else.

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April 8, 2011
11:34 am
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ACF said:

 

"I'm sure there are those out there who say, "Who cares?  Let's just get them together already!" but it seems to me that the writers do care; about building something lasting for these two characters and about showing how that can be just as wonderful as getting instant gratification before moving on to the next person. "

 

From me:

One of my favorite Bollywood films (really great) is Jodha Akbar, an epic film where the main couple DON'T sleep together for years after a forced, arranged marriage.. and the slow build up where the fall in love is a wonderful love story.  Good writing will keep Castle engaging, dramatic, funny, and eventually romantic too if we let it. I'd rather encourage the writers than yell at them.

 

By the way, have you ever tried to stare at someone else the way Castle and Beckett do all the time?  It's very hard.  I can't look at my husband like that without him melting… I don't think anyone would do that in real life quite to much and I know the writers are telling a story with every second of this show, so I know that they are building them up more and more…. I'd like to see Castle get flustered and look away every now and then the way he did when they were building theory in Poof.

April 8, 2011
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ACF said:

I hope I'm not making this too personal, but I haven't seen any bring it up yet.  It seems to me that what this show has writer-wise that others do not is a team at the helm who happened to have what looks to be a very solid rewarding marriage.  Terri Miller and Andrew Marlowe have been married over 13 years, 2 kids…  in Hollywood?  That's a rarity.  From what I could see, they married in their 30s so these characters are very much of the same timeline (i.e. they didn't marry right out of college).  Having that solid basis and having the respect for that solid basis is one of the key ingredients to making Castle work on such an deep emotional level. 

I'm sure there are those out there who say, "Who cares?  Let's just get them together already!" but it seems to me that the writers do care; about building something lasting for these two characters and about showing how that can be just as wonderful as getting instant gratification before moving on to the next person.  And there may even be cynics who quote divorce statistics or teen drug or pregnancy rates and say the relationships on the show are fairytale.  And that makes me wonder if this show, with it's ability to make emotional attachments in the fans causes people take a peek at their lives and see something they didn't want to see.  It's easy then to blame the writers for jerking the fans around, but maybe, just maybe, what has really happened is they've managed to write it so well, that they shine light where it wasn't before. 

That light may even include the cast and crew for all we know.  As much as they are in the spolight, we really know very little about the cast but sometimes I wonder if even they end up giving more away than they mean to when they are talking about these characters.  Look at these boards!  You can't help but get involved.  Think about what it is like to live these characters day after day!

It's made me think… and learn.  I don't know about anyone else.

heck no you hit the nail on the head!!! i often wonder how many tvshow/movie writers, directors, actors are in very long lasting relationships. very few i would imagine. in fact i would love for one of the regular magazines (people us, etc) to do an article on all the happily married couples in hollywood. that would show how well some people really are grounded in their relationships  

I know that my hubby and i waited till we had both received our bachelors degrees before getting married… and we had dated since senior year in high school!! so needless to say when we celebrated our 1st wedding anniversary we were celebrating 10 years of being together.

rarely do you find a tvshow or book that you can take the characters to heart and feel for them and also look at your own life and ask yourself what did i do right or wrong? if i see a character do something or say something wrong then if i am ever in a situation like that i can refer back to what my character did i can make adjustments to how i should act. i know there have been a couple books i have read that i was able to take a look at my life from the books perspective and see what i have done.

 

good job ACF!!   

April 8, 2011
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ACF said:

I hope I'm not making this too personal, but I haven't seen any bring it up yet.  It seems to me that what this show has writer-wise that others do not is a team at the helm who happened to have what looks to be a very solid rewarding marriage.  Terri Miller and Andrew Marlowe have been married over 13 years, 2 kids…  in Hollywood?  That's a rarity.  From what I could see, they married in their 30s so these characters are very much of the same timeline (i.e. they didn't marry right out of college).  Having that solid basis and having the respect for that solid basis is one of the key ingredients to making Castle work on such an deep emotional level. 

I'm sure there are those out there who say, "Who cares?  Let's just get them together already!" but it seems to me that the writers do care; about building something lasting for these two characters and about showing how that can be just as wonderful as getting instant gratification before moving on to the next person.  And there may even be cynics who quote divorce statistics or teen drug or pregnancy rates and say the relationships on the show are fairytale.  And that makes me wonder if this show, with it's ability to make emotional attachments in the fans causes people take a peek at their lives and see something they didn't want to see.  It's easy then to blame the writers for jerking the fans around, but maybe, just maybe, what has really happened is they've managed to write it so well, that they shine light where it wasn't before. 

That light may even include the cast and crew for all we know.  As much as they are in the spolight, we really know very little about the cast but sometimes I wonder if even they end up giving more away than they mean to when they are talking about these characters.  Look at these boards!  You can't help but get involved.  Think about what it is like to live these characters day after day!

It's made me think… and learn.  I don't know about anyone else.

I hadn't thought about that, ACF.  Good point.  Maybe Marlowe did think of his own marriage when creating Beckett & Castle.  Makes you wonder…

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April 11, 2011
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I feel like everything has already been said, but I just wanted to add that I love when other people think the same as I (and plenty other fans) do: if someone is able to pull out the 'let's have our leads together' storyline, it's the Castle writers smile

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