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Castle & the Emmy nominations: Where did it go wrong?
September 20, 2011
10:32 am
Cayenne
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So I keep on wondering this..

 

We have a truly exceptional cast who knock it out of the park every single episode again and again.

The writing is stellar and the editing and all the effects are great.

 

Then why no Emmy nominations?

 

Is it because ABC's lacking of promoting the series? Did they even send anything Castle related in?

Is it because there is no Dramady category so Castle doesn't fit into any award category?

Is it because it's really hard to get into the nominations as a fairly new show?

 

Maybe we as people who love this show are a little bit biased on it, but still.. How can they not see what a huge amount of talent the actors and the team has?

September 20, 2011
3:47 pm
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I've been so disappointed by this, too.  Only thing I can figure is that Castle is such a difficult show to put into one category.  Is it drama?  Comedy?  It's great television, but how to nominate properly?

September 20, 2011
3:48 pm
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Replying to my own post!  Even if the performances weren't nominated (which doesn't seem right) I think Castle has some of the best writing on television – very disappointed there, too.

September 20, 2011
4:42 pm
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Cayenne said:

So I keep on wondering this..

 

We have a truly exceptional cast who knock it out of the park every single episode again and again.

The writing is stellar and the editing and all the effects are great.

 

Then why no Emmy nominations?

 

1) Is it because ABC's lacking of promoting the series? Did they even send anything Castle related in?

2) Is it because there is no Dramady category so Castle doesn't fit into any award category?

3) Is it because it's really hard to get into the nominations as a fairly new show?

 

Maybe we as people who love this show are a little bit biased on it, but still.. How can they not see what a huge amount of talent the actors and the team has?

(numbers added for ease of answering)

To help answer your questions:
1) Castle did send in things for the nominations this year. If you took a look at the long list (with all the nominations before the top 6 were picked), all the actors were nominated in their respective categories, in addition to selections of episodes for writing, directing, etc. So they definitely sent in work, without a doubt.

2) It would be great if there was a Dramedy category. The fact that Castle isn't just drama or comedy is great to the audience that watches the show, but horrible for the Emmys. Many other shows that can be classified as a Dramedy fall into the same pitfall, i.e. Bones.

3) Now we're getting into politics. None of the actors have made the official nominations list for 3 hard seasons. Yet Kathy Bates was able to score a nomination for Lead Actress in Drama after 1 season of Harry's Law. Why? Because she's a big name.

Which leads to my general conclusion: The Emmys are politics. If you want to score a nomination, you either have to be a big name, or be willing to kiss up to the big names. This is why the same people and shows tend to get nominated from year to year with little variety. Of course, this is all just opinion, but I know others feel the same way I do.

September 21, 2011
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I think, like others have said, the biggest issue is genre. It's hard to dispute that Castle is well-made and well-written. However, it really does straddle that line between drama and comedy. The shows that win their respective categories also seem to be the ones that fit best into their categories, usually. 

Also, I do think that if anything, Castle would be put into the drama category, because the overall arcs of the show are drama. But when's the last time a network show has won drama categories? The last show to win best drama at the Emmy's that was on a network channel (as opposed to cable like HBO or AMC) was 24, in 2006. Right now, the drama categories are full of shows like Mad Men, Game of Thrones etc. hailing from cable, leaving little room for shows like Castle to get nominated.

September 23, 2011
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writerserenyty said:

I think, like others have said, the biggest issue is genre. It's hard to dispute that Castle is well-made and well-written. However, it really does straddle that line between drama and comedy. The shows that win their respective categories also seem to be the ones that fit best into their categories, usually. 

Also, I do think that if anything, Castle would be put into the drama category, because the overall arcs of the show are drama. But when's the last time a network show has won drama categories? The last show to win best drama at the Emmy's that was on a network channel (as opposed to cable like HBO or AMC) was 24, in 2006. Right now, the drama categories are full of shows like Mad Men, Game of Thrones etc. hailing from cable, leaving little room for shows like Castle to get nominated.

It's almost unfair that this is true.  These shows are able to take more in the way of artistic license since they don't air on the network channels.  The HBO shows especially have benefited from being able to be more dramatic, more violent, and deal with more controversial topics.  So they're gonna get more Emmys and more Emmy nominations because they can go to places that the network shows, like Castle, can't without being zinged by the uber-conservatives who believe that it's sinful to show blood and violence on TV at all.

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September 26, 2011
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Several shows live under the same gray umbrella with Castle, and, unless I'm mistaken, none of them got Emmy nods either.  The closest examples are CBS's "The Mentalist", TNT's "Rizzoli & Isles", A&E's "The Glades" and the (now defunct) "Crossing Jordan".  ABC's spinoff from Castle….. well, practically…. "Body of Proof" is yet another.  Watch these shows and you leave with a similar taste in your mouth.  A feeling of DejaVu.  (Wait, didn't I just see that actor playing a bad guy on Castle?  In a 3 season count, there were 32 character actors who played roles on both Castle, The Mentalist and The Glades.  Wait, Didn't Jane just say that on The Mentalist, as Castle says, "Because the heart wants what the heart wants.")  Castle is fun.  No doubt about it.  It's non-offensive with pretty people and ridiculously improbable scenarios, much the same as the aforementioned, so my guess is there's nothing to really grab the Emmy voter as some standout piece of writing or acting that raises the hair on the back of your neck or wrenches your gut with such emotion that you can feel the pleasure or the pain.  There's no soliloquy from Martin Sheen as he rages against the televangelist or the tears shed by CJ as her Secret Service body guard lies dead in a New Your City convenience store.  There's no writing like that delivered by Rob Lowe as spoke about the heroes of the assassination attack.  This is no West Wing.  This is no NYPD Blue.  That being said, neither is it "Lost" or "fill-in-the-blank-reality show" that seems to permeate our television sets.  At what point did someone decide a "reality" show has merit in any category for any purpose?  Does the audience not know there are camera crews standing 5 feet away taking these images?  Do they not know there are lunch and dinner breaks and no-one is actually going to starve or die?   And does anyone really, really, really care what's going on with the Khardashians or the dysfunctional Teutels?

 

Where did "entertainment" come to mean we have to be subjected to the likes of Kat Von whatever and Snooki?  Sadly, as long as shows like these are the yardsticks by which entertainment is determined, shows like Castle, will continue to be passed over at awards time.

 

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