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Castle's wives
September 28, 2011
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Hey!
I've got a question. From some of the posts I assumed that Beckett doesn't know why Castle's both marriages felt apart. And that brings me to the statement: me too smile
And my question: Is it said in the series and can anyone say me why these marriages felt apart?

(sory if there are any mistakes in my english)

September 28, 2011
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zocha90 said:

Hey!
I've got a question. From some of the posts I assumed that Beckett doesn't know why Castle's both marriages felt apart. And that brings me to the statement: me too smile
And my question: Is it said in the series and can anyone say me why these marriages felt apart?
(sory if there are any mistakes in my english)

In Season 1, Ep. 6 Always Buy Retail, we hear Castle saying to Meredith (Alexis' mom): "…except for you having an affair with your director and moving to Malibu and serving me with divorce papers…"

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September 29, 2011
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thx for the info smile
curious what happpend with second wife, but I assume that something simillar.

September 29, 2011
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In season 3 Castle was talking to Martha and Alexis and said something to the effect about Gina, "and she brought along her friends shopaholic and high maintenance"

In another episode, Rick got mad at Gina about getting Alexis and Ashley tickets to Taylor Swift (Rick had gotten tickets too). During the scene where Rick was apologizing to Gina, Gina said something to the effect "You built up a wall around you and Alexis and I felt like an outsider"

I think that there are more issues between Rick and Gina than we saw. Rick's marriage to Meredith was when they were both younger and I believe that the "moving to Malibu, shacking up with her producer/director and her serving Rick with divorce papers" is about the entire story. They were younger and superficial and were in lust, not love.

September 29, 2011
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What's interesting is that it seems that Rick never cheated on them. And I hope Beckett will know that someday. That will certainly reassure her.

I also remember something he said in "Nanny McDead", about the women he met in the park, "between marriages", which means he never cheated on his wives.

September 29, 2011
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i think the gina episode in season 3 showed the problems with them. Castle did not allow gina to get close to his daughter although his daughter seemed to like gina a lot. Gina isn't that bad as people make her out to be. 

September 29, 2011
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When they were married, Gina was both his publisher and his wife. On the business side of their relationship, she had the upper hand; we can only speculate about the personal side of their relationship. It's not an absolute recipe for failure, but it can make a complicated relationship even more difficult.

September 29, 2011
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lulu12345 said:

i think the gina episode in season 3 showed the problems with them. Castle did not allow gina to get close to his daughter although his daughter seemed to like gina a lot. Gina isn't that bad as people make her out to be. 

She isnt as bad but she is extremely high maintenance it seems and in the pilot we already hear that he is tired of that lifestyle.  He may have been tiring of it sooner which just added to the growing apart between them.

 

On a related note I always found it a little strange that people (including Stana herself) have said that Beckett wants to know about the failed marriages but in reality it isnt going to be a big deal.  Meredith cheated on him and Gina seemed to have been the wrong person at the wrong time.  In both cases it seems like Beckett's response would be "oh, ok".  In other words, to me it doesnt seem like it would raise any red flags.

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September 30, 2011
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MissWanderer said:

What's interesting is that it seems that Rick never cheated on them. And I hope Beckett will know that someday. That will certainly reassure her.

I also remember something he said in "Nanny McDead", about the women he met in the park, "between marriages", which means he never cheated on his wives.

 

I definitely noticed this too. It seems pretty deliberate, setting up the fact that Rick, while many different things, is not a cheater. 

September 30, 2011
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writerserenyty said:

MissWanderer said:

What's interesting is that it seems that Rick never cheated on them. And I hope Beckett will know that someday. That will certainly reassure her.

I also remember something he said in "Nanny McDead", about the women he met in the park, "between marriages", which means he never cheated on his wives.

 

I definitely noticed this too. It seems pretty deliberate, setting up the fact that Rick, while many different things, is not a cheater. 

Yeah. And I think it will be important to remind Beckett of that. I want him to really explain her that the reason his marriages failed has nothing to do with him cheating on them.

 

Joe said:

On a related note I always found it a little strange that people (including Stana herself) have said that Beckett wants to know about the failed marriages but in reality it isnt going to be a big deal.  Meredith cheated on him and Gina seemed to have been the wrong person at the wrong time.  In both cases it seems like Beckett's response would be "oh, ok".  In other words, to me it doesnt seem like it would raise any red flags.

Her reaction might just be "oh, ok". But it will definitely change something in the way she will perceive him. If he reassures her on the fact that he's not a cheater, and that when he's in a serious relationship, he's really committed, it will help her understand him better and will make one of her fears regarding her love for him disappear.

September 30, 2011
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I've often wondered about his "playboy reputation". I started watching Castle around the end of season 2 and I got the impression that he was not the type to sleep around, not at all. I'm watching season 1 right now and I still don't see him as a playboy. During those 2.5 years we only see him sleeping with his two ex-wives and that Allie girl. And in Nanny McDead we find out that he never hired a nanny for Alexis and I bet he didn't even hire a babysitter very often. As a single, very devoted father he just wouldn't bring home a different girl every weekend. He is a flirt but I honestly don't see him as a cheating, sex-crazed playboy. And I guess Kate thinks the same, she saw him with Kyla and she saw the affection that he still had for her. He may have married Meredith because she got pregnant with Alexis, who knows. It probably doesn't matter. He stills gets along somehow with his exes, that's a good thing.

September 30, 2011
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waldkind said:

I've often wondered about his "playboy reputation". I started watching Castle around the end of season 2 and I got the impression that he was not the type to sleep around, not at all. I'm watching season 1 right now and I still don't see him as a playboy. During those 2.5 years we only see him sleeping with his two ex-wives and that Allie girl. And in Nanny McDead we find out that he never hired a nanny for Alexis and I bet he didn't even hire a babysitter very often. As a single, very devoted father he just wouldn't bring home a different girl every weekend. He is a flirt but I honestly don't see him as a cheating, sex-crazed playboy. And I guess Kate thinks the same, she saw him with Kyla and she saw the affection that he still had for her. He may have married Meredith because she got pregnant with Alexis, who knows. It probably doesn't matter. He stills gets along somehow with his exes, that's a good thing.

I agree he's definitely not a cheater. But in the first two seasons, he definitely was a playboy. Remember the play room in episode 3x15? The girl (I forgot her name) said he used to go there pretty often, but that she hasn't seen him in awhile (probably since he got back together with Gina). So… he definitely had some fun with other women, not just with the two women we saw him sleep with (Meredith, and Ellie Monroe). He probably used this play room because he didn't want Alexis to see what he was doing. But he has changed, he wouldn't do that anymore. Beckett made him change.

And it will be interesting to see him resist temptation in 4x05, with the art insurance investigator girl. I hope we will see that he's not this playboy anymore.

Honestly, as long as he's not a cheater, I don't really care about what he does in between marriages or in between relationships. I mean, we can't expect him to live like a monk forever. What matters is the fact that if he was in a relationship with Beckett, he would not cheat on her.

September 30, 2011
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He pretty much stopped being a playboy before the pilot.  In the pilot, right at the very beginning at the party, he makes comments about being tired of that lifestyle.

Unless I have it all wrong (lol and I am even a guy) I see a playboy more like Christian in Nip/Tuck which is kind of funny because IMO the closest I have seen Castle come to being a playboy – and even this is a stretch –  was with Ellie Monroe (played by Kelly Carlson who had a long run on Nip/Tuck).  Like I said that was the closest and even that was a stretch.

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September 30, 2011
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I watched the series from the very beginning and I've always got the impression that his "playboyishness" has more to do with his social mask than with the true representation of his inner self, so to speak. Of course he's flirtatious, which is considerable part of his charm, and he definitely likes women's attentions, but there's something childish behind all that — as if he considers that this is just "cool" to behave this way, sort of Bond-like and macho-like, and he likes to think of himself as macho, though he really isn't. We can clearly see from his interactions with his family that he is in fact a rather grounded and domestic sort of guy, who can be very devoted, considerate, and supportive towards the women he loves, and this probably means that he's very capable of serious and long-term monogamic relationship. That's why I always thought that he's been faithful to both his wives and that his marriages has failed not because of his cheating. Of course he had met with some women in between marriages and after his second divorce — and why wouldn't he, after all, he's not a monk — but it looks like these were not proper relationships but mere flings or one-night stands, at least there's no evidence that we know of pointing that he's ever been serioiusly dating anyone besides Kyra and his two wives (and both Kyra and his first wife ended the relationships first, BTW, and we still don't know who initiated his divorce with Gina, could be Gina as well.) We know that he probably had plenty one-nighters while he was single, for ex. he mentioned sleeping with his decorator in one of the first episodes — she helped to identify the carpet, AFAIR, — then in the 3rd season he mentions a "Parisian supermodel" that stayed with him last time in that hotel in L.A., plus we saw his fling with that actress, Ellie Monro, not to mention the playroom in The Final Nail — so actually, that's more than enough for Beckett to get an impression of him as of an incurable Lothario, but we as the viewers have got enough insights and "sneak peeks" in his real inner self to believe that he's actually not that sort of guy, that it's just the role that he plays, and sometimes even enjoys, but it's still just the role and not his essence — i.e. this behavour is just a superficial layer and not an inherent part of his personality. And we are given enough information to believe that he can easily drop this mask and become a faithful and trustworthy family man, as long as he meets the woman who would be worth of it and who(m? [Image Can Not Be Found]) he can trust in return.  

September 30, 2011
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Carrie said:

I watched the series from the very beginning and I've always got the impression that his "playboyishness" has more to do with his social mask than with the true representation of his inner self, so to speak. Of course he's flirtatious, which is considerable part of his charm, and he definitely likes women's attentions, but there's something childish behind all that — as if he considers that this is just "cool" to behave this way, sort of Bond-like and macho-like, and he likes to think of himself as macho, though he really isn't. We can clearly see from his interactions with his family that he is in fact a rather grounded and domestic sort of guy, who can be very devoted, considerate, and supportive towards the women he loves, and this probably means that he's very capable of serious and long-term monogamic relationship. That's why I always thought that he's been faithful to both his wives and that his marriages has failed not because of his cheating. Of course he had met with some women in between marriages and after his second divorce — and why wouldn't he, after all, he's not a monk — but it looks like these were not proper relationships but mere flings or one-night stands, at least there's no evidence that we know of pointing that he's ever been serioiusly dating anyone besides Kyra and his two wives (and both Kyra and his first wife ended the relationships first, BTW, and we still don't know who initiated his divorce with Gina, could be Gina as well.) We know that he probably had plenty one-nighters while he was single, for ex. he mentioned sleeping with his decorator in one of the first episodes — she helped to identify the carpet, AFAIR, — then in the 3rd season he mentions a "Parisian supermodel" that stayed with him last time in that hotel in L.A., plus we saw his fling with that actress, Ellie Monro, not to mention the playroom in The Final Nail — so actually, that's more than enough for Beckett to get an impression of him as of an incurable Lothario, but we as the viewers have got enough insights and "sneak peeks" in his real inner self to believe that he's actually not that sort of guy, that it's just the role that he plays, and sometimes even enjoys, but it's still just the role and not his essence — i.e. this behavour is just a superficial layer and not an inherent part of his personality. And we are given enough information to believe that he can easily drop this mask and become a faithful and trustworthy family man, as long as he meets the woman who would be worth of it and who(m? [Image Can Not Be Found]) he can trust in return.  

I like your analysis here.

BTW, I remember a bit of grammatical guidance "Him… that's whom" He, she, who. Him, her, whom. Have I been watching Castle too much?

Nah.

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