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Does Beckett Love Castle?
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January 4, 2012
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I think the realization came with Demming at the end of season 2.

 

Castle feels it first when Kate is suddenly with Demming, you can see it in his face how utterly crushed he is when she's flirting with Demming (and when it becomes official) and he's taking the easy way out by hooking up with his ex-wife and all but cutting the ties to her for months which in fact is running away from the pain and disappointment.

 

For Kate it has to be her scene with Esposito where he brings it to the open by saying what everybody thinks.. that Castle has done way more research than needed and that he won't stay around to watch her be with another man. It has to be the final nail for her to realize that there is far more than friendship and it has led to her dumping Demming. The suckerpunch though is that she gets up her strength and tries to “come out” to him when he reveals Gina to be his partner (coincidentally leading to Josh while Castle was still unavailabe).

January 4, 2012
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Does it matter if she loves Castle or not if she doesn’t show it to him?

January 4, 2012
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grapes said:

Does it matter if she loves Castle or not if she doesn't show it to him?

Great point!

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."  R. Feynman in the Feynman appendix to to the Challenger report. "It's Not Our Abilities That Show What We Truly Are. It's Our Choices." By Unknown to me.
January 4, 2012
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grapes said:

Does it matter if she loves Castle or not if she doesn’t show it to him?

Sure it does.  Isn’t it her feelings (in part) that are motivating and dictating her actions and her attitude?  What she says or doesn't say, what she does or doesn't do, the reasons why she's in therapy etc…etc…..

January 4, 2012
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Leftfield said:

Sure it does.  Isn't it her feelings (in part) that are motivating and dictating her actions and her attitude?

And what does her actions say if members of this forum are wondering if she really loves him or not?

January 4, 2012
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grapes said:

And what does her actions say if members of this forum are wondering if she really loves him or not?

grapes said:

Does it matter if she loves Castle or not if she doesn't show it to him?

grapes, why the sinicism?

I think most people here have an opinion about what they think is going on with Kate and how she feels about Castle.  I think the point of tyler starting this thread, was because there was a question about what others think about this issue, what Kate's actions/words, or lack thereof, say about her feelings toward Castle.  And yes it does matter if she does loves him, but is unable or afraid to share her feelings.  What's behind it?  Why?

Obviously, this is all speculation on our parts as AM is the only one who really knows, but isn't that the point of this forum, to share our speculations on this show, the storyline, and character development?

January 4, 2012
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grapes said:

Leftfield said:

Sure it does.  Isn’t it her feelings (in part) that are motivating and dictating her actions and her attitude?
 

And what does her actions say if members of this forum are wondering if she really loves him or not?

I’m not one of those members that are in doubt.  I think that Beckett loves Castle. I look at the expression on her face when she looks at him and I see it.  Do I know “proof positive”?  No, but I'm very comfortable with my belief.  And, I understand that her feelings for Castle don’t have to come out or be expressed to him to exist or to matter.  I also think that it’s not necessary for all her actions to be “positive” to work within the framework of her feelings for him.  Her actions tell me that she loves him, they tell me that she’s afraid, that she knows what she wants but doesn’t know if she will ever be able to have it or if she will be able to keep it.  They also tell me that she is trying her hardest to get to where she wants to be for herself and for him.  A few examples of “actions” to think about,

Would Beckett be in therapy if not (again, in part) because of her feelings for Castle?

Would Castle still be at the precinct if Beckett had not sought him out in Rise and made clear that she wanted him back (again, in part) because of her feelings for him?

Would Beckett have reacted to Serena Kaye the way she did (again, in part) if not for her feelings for Castle?

Would Beckett be so welcoming to Castle’s drop-bys at her apartment if not (again, in part) due to her feelings for him?

Would Beckett’s response to Castle’s “help” during Kill Shot (her thank you and subsequent decision to move on with her therapy) have happened if not (again, in part) for her feelings for him?

Would her response and enjoyment to his humor, his quips, his teasing, the banter, be what we see (again, in part) if not for her feelings?

You may not like her actions or not agree with what she is doing or not doing but, IMO, to ask if her feelings (regardless of what you think they are, or are not) don’t matter if Castle doesn’t know is to ask if she matters.  She's’s a person just like he is.  Your question, whether you meant it this way or not, implies to me that her feelings only have worth if they are validated by another person.  I don't think her feelings have to be “shown” to someone to matter (or be meaningful).  I bet they matter to her.

For me, she has feelings and they matter, just as his do, regardless of who knows what.

January 4, 2012
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grapes said:

Leftfield said:

Sure it does.  Isn't it her feelings (in part) that are motivating and dictating her actions and her attitude?
 

And what does her actions say if members of this forum are wondering if she really loves him or not?

For me, it only means, that some people understand the KB character better than others. It is like in the real world- some people you can relate to, to some not… No big deal. We are all different.

Me, personally, I believe that she really loves him and I do understand her behaviour, even if I don`t always like it or if I would approach some things differently…

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January 4, 2012
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by the way I've always wondered why Kate fell so “easily” for Demming until I checked my episode guide today and saw that “The late shaft” with Ellie Monroe was the episode right before the one where Demming showed up. Yuck! That's one of the few episodes I've only seen once and always skip…

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January 4, 2012
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FillKat said:

She is insanely in love with him.  She has been since before they ever met. 

Her feelings for Castle started with his books and how they pulled her from the difficulties of dealing with her mothers murder.  Her annoyance with him in the beginning, IMO, was all about how he turned out to not quite be the guy she had imagined he was, from his books….yet, there was a strong attraction.  Why on earth would she continue to put up with him, if not?  Yes she did try on a couple occasions to get him booted, but that was out of frustration, not a real desire to have him gone and out of her life.  The level of emotion and respect she feels for him, is what scares her.  She's run from it as hard and as fast as she can, but she realizes it isn't going away, nor is he.  He has gone out of his way to prove himself to her, to prove he is someone she can count on and trust.  He has never abandoned her, no matter what she has thrown at him.  His character and charm have slowly worn her down and she can no longer deny what she has felt for him all along.

 

Those are my 2 cents on the issue :)

I don't disagree that she is in love with him, but only as much as you can be without completing the relationship circle.  The fear and insecurity that comes with finally committing to someone can be overwhelming and so far they've only existed in that safe world that excludes intimacy, sex, life routines and family.  Granted, 3 years of daily grind together (no pun intended) has removed much of the hesitancy and fear that goes with taking such a huge step but it still qualifies her love for him, to me. 

 

All of that being said, it is a pure joy to watch her come to that conclusion.  Every episode shows how big the void was in her life before him and the little steps she takes each week to become a whole person again. 

January 4, 2012
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FillKat said:

grapes said:

And what does her actions say if members of this forum are wondering if she really loves him or not?

grapes said:

Does it matter if she loves Castle or not if she doesn't show it to him?

grapes, why the sinicism?

I think most people here have an opinion about what they think is going on with Kate and how she feels about Castle.  I think the point of tyler starting this thread, was because there was a question about what others think about this issue, what Kate's actions/words, or lack thereof, say about her feelings toward Castle.  And yes it does matter if she does loves him, but is unable or afraid to share her feelings.  What's behind it?  Why?

Obviously, this is all speculation on our parts as AM is the only one who really knows, but isn't that the point of this forum, to share our speculations on this show, the storyline, and character development?

Don’t worry I’m a huge shipper.
But when it comes to Kate she’s quite subtle about her relationship with Castle. The points Leftfield noted make a bit more clear but still you can interpret them as if she thinks he is her best friend.

When Castle ask her about Serena she lies about not caring if they start dating. She could have told him that it wouldn’t be a good idea. A petty excuse would suffice.
Tell Castle he’s helpful with solving cases instead of telling just Gates.
Or bring him coffee for once.
Ask him about his latest book if it’s coming along.

Stuff like that.

January 4, 2012
9:37 pm
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grapes said:

When Castle ask her about Serena she lies about not caring if they start dating. She could have told him that it wouldn't be a good idea. A petty excuse would suffice.
Tell Castle he's helpful with solving cases instead of telling just Gates.
Or bring him coffee for once.
Ask him about his latest book if it's coming along.

With respect to your list, I think when Serena came along, she was not ready to make her move with Castle, and to keep him from being with someone that he possibly liked and she knew Serena was interested in him, would have been selfish.  As the old saying goes, if you truly love someone, you will set them free……..etc, etc.  I think Castle's happiness is important to her.  On the flip side, and somewhat contrary, was the possibility that IF Castle did take up with Serena, that took the pressure off herself, and while it may have been painful to see him with someone else again, at least she was not putting herself in a situation she was not ready for.  The third possibility, was that she was testing Castle, to see if he had truly changed, or if he was still chasing after every skirt that gave him and ounce of attention, or that he was attracted too.  OR, it could have been a little bit of all of those reasons, instead of why she did not respond in a more jealous or territorial fashion.  While it would have been fun to watch her squirm a bit, I think it would have been too soon, and out of character for her to have put any outward claims on him.  When Kate told Serena how Castle never had any doubts about her innocence, and what kind of guy he is, says it all.  To me that says, she loves him and will support him, no matter what.

Bringing him coffee, giving him complements, or any inquiry into his personal life, would be admitting interest or caring for him, which would also be contrary to how she has been with him all along.  It's only been in the last couple episodes that she has started to do this, as she is gradually getting herself to the point of feeling like she can commit to him.  To say or do anything to give him hope or to give him the impression she was interested in him, at that time, would have jeapardized her safety net, would have compromised the wall she has/had around her.

For me, nothing she has ever said or done, tells me he is just a friend, to her.  In fact, everything she has done or said, has told me just the opposite, regardless of how she has expressed herself outwardly.

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January 5, 2012
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Why is it that we question Kate’s feelings for Rick but not his feelings for her?

IMO, because beside Rick’s actions in the last three episodes we also heard him talk about his feelings with Martha and Alexis. If we would not have gotten that, there is also the possibility to interpret it as him caring for her as his best friend.

It’s only in this season that we get some insight into Kate’s feelings when she talks about it in the therapy sessions. And nothing she talked about there, indicates that she just cares about him as a friend. In fact, IMO, all she does and says this season screams that she is in love with Rick (and is aware of it) and wants to give them a real chance (instead of having one foot out of the door like she did with Josh). And I disagree with the opinion that she doesn’t show him that she loves him, especially this season. I can’t think of one songle episode where there wasn’t a scene in which she showed him how important he is to her and that she thinks of him as someone more than a friend. But IMO, right now he is at the same point Kate was in season 3 – she hurt him very much over tha summer and now he doesn’t trust what she is showing him and to get him believe in them (again) she will have to speak the words and convince him.

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January 5, 2012
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nike75 said:

Why is it that we question Kate's feelings for Rick but not his feelings for her?

IMO, because beside Rick's actions in the last three episodes we also heard him talk about his feelings with Martha and Alexis. If we would not have gotten that, there is also the possibility to interpret it as him caring for her as his best friend.

It's only in this season that we get some insight into Kate's feelings when she talks about it in the therapy sessions. And nothing she talked about there, indicates that she just cares about him as a friend. In fact, IMO, all she does and says this season screams that she is in love with Rick (and is aware of it) and wants to give them a real chance (instead of having one foot out of the door like she did with Josh). And I disagree with the opinion that she doesn't show him that she loves him, especially this season. I can't think of one songle episode where there wasn't a scene in which she showed him how important he is to her and that she thinks of him as someone more than a friend. But IMO, right now he is at the same point Kate was in season 3 – she hurt him very much over tha summer and now he doesn't trust what she is showing him and to get him believe in them (again) she will have to speak the words and convince him.

The reason Castle's feelings towards Beckett is not being questioned is because he has verbalize them. It's further shown when he came to see her in the hospital armed with flowers. He was certainly ready to see things through and be honest to her about it. Beckett on the other hand, at that point up until now is not yet ready to voice the same words to anyone. 

 

The discussion we are having here is on her not readiness to voice the same words to Castle. We questioned her love for Castle because the words used by AM in his interviews for Beckett's feeling towards Castle was describe as 'strong feelings' and not love. Not to say that she doesn't love the guy because everyone who watches the show knows that she does. I am just asking whether Beckett the character has accepted that she loves the guy. Because when you talk about having a wall around your heart, it's being afraid to love someone. I see it as her saying, 'hey, if i love someone completely like i did my mum. what if i loose them?' thus the reason for the wall to exist.

January 5, 2012
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tyler said:

I am just asking whether Beckett the character has accepted that she loves the guy. Because when you talk about having a wall around your heart, it's being afraid to love someone. I see it as her saying, 'hey, if i love someone completely like i did my mum. what if i loose them?' thus the reason for the wall to exist.

I think she has accepted that she loves Castle. But loving someone doesn’t change behaviour and/or relationship pattern you’ve developed over the last 10-12 years. So loving him and accepting his love for her makes her want to change, not necessarily for him, but more for herself because she doesn’t want the relationship with Castle go the same way her relationship with Josh went where she always had one foot out of the door. I agree that the “wall” is this place in her which is afraid to love too deeply, too feel too much, to let herself dive in completely because if this other person goes away what happens to her. But for me the important thing is that she works on this fear, she wants to be able to go “all in” with Castle even if she can’t tell him right now.

After “Cuffed” I needed a break from Castle because I really had some problems with this episode, so I watched all episodes of “Battlestar Galactica” in the last 3 weeks. After this experience I’m really glad that AWM & Co deal with the relationship issues in a much more mature way. I’m so incredible grateful that they let Kate confront her issues instead of running away again. Maybe it’s really baby steps at a snail’s pace but at least it’s baby steps in the right direction instead of running away and marrying the next guy because you are afraid of being happy.

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