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HOW should Rick & Kate get together?

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11:35 pm
February 2, 2010

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DOZ SAID: Anyone remember Scarecrow and Mrs King? they got together after 3 seasons.. and it was a wonderful progression their relationship – Castle reminds me of it a little – maybe that is why I like it so much..

WOW, someone else remembers Scarecrow and Mrs King! One of my favorites. I was thinking of the ep "Ship of Spies" when I posted earlier in this thread.

im hoping they let the relationship progress and not stall.

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February 2, 2010

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Sorry to repost, but Davidsmom wanted to say my sympathies to you and your family during this time.

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February 3, 2010

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So sorry for your loss, Davidsmom. I hope your husband makes a full recovery and wish you all the best.

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10:53 am
February 3, 2010

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davidsmom, very sorry to hear of your loss and hope your husband makes a strong recovery. Glad you are back here…….this forum has wonderful, witty people who will ramp you back up in no time.

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11:45 am
February 3, 2010

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I think they should just hookup in a natural way, just as the series has been moving. I don't think they need a gimmick kiss or an undercover mission to mask what is going on. I think it's clear from watching the show that they both want eachother, that they both really like eachother and it's just a matter of when, not if.
Castle would have slept with Beckett since day one, it's she that protests. Simply put, she doesn't want to become another notch in his belt, which she would have been had the hooked up long ago. I'm thinking what we will see is either a couple of kisses or close moments that eventually lead to the what the heck first time.
I'm also betting that after the first time there will be a period of time in which they both attempt to downplay he even as just sex. Out of fear and out of the idea of how the other will fit into the others life.

My big beef is with all the publications who seem to feel it is a fact that once you hook the will they won't they couple up the show is doomed. I really hope that the writers don't do this with Castle, that they don't keep the relationship at a stop and stall pace for the next couple of seasons. I hope they don't bring on new partners or ex lovers to create rifts or outside pairings that prevent them from getting together.
The office and home banter is already so good, hooking them up would and will only give the writers more material to draw from. The idea of Castle chasing Beckett at work with the push & pull is funny now, but can you imagine Kate at work with Castle if they are secretly hooking up? I love to learn that the office has a bet on just when or how long it take for them to hookup, I'd even love for Castle to be in on the bet.
It's like the writers have said, you can only play the joke so long and then it's tapped out.

What is Castle, is it drama, is it comedy, is it mystery, is it a rom-com? I'd say it's all of those things.
I don't really view moonlighting in the same way I see Castle, because there was way more hate in the dynamics of those characters and very little heart. The supporting cast of Moonlighting was weak at best. Moonlighting was like watching a cartoon played out in reallife, once the hate lead way to lust and sex there wasn't much left as far as heart went. Moonlighting didn't have as much heart in it's complete run as Castle does in one episode. Remington Steele was a nice one, that show lasted 5 yrs. The couple hooked up, but again there wasn't really a supporting cast for either to draw-from and yet it lasted 5yrs. Hart to Hart had a married couple and that show also had a 5yr run. Scarecrow & Mrs. King, another show that hooked the leads up and had a 5yr run.

But Castle isn't just one of those shows, it's also comedy and comedey has proven that hooking up the leads does not lead to show failure. Cheers and Friends are two of the most succesful comedies ever and both let their leds hookup with little effect to the shows end results. Even Frasier which ran from 1993 to 2004 allowed for the leads to eventually hookup.

I don't think succes should be measured in the will they won't they, don't do it because the show tanks after you do way of thinking. Folks often forget just how horrible the writing for Moonlighting was, they forget the backstage diva stuff going on, the same stuff that went on during Moonlighting. In truth Bruce Willis wanted out of Moonlighting bigtime at the end to do movies, as did Pierce Bronson who was offered the James Bond role but couldn't take it right away because of his contract with the series. Many factors go into a show leaving the airwaves and it usually isn't about hooking the couple up. Smart writing, great acting and chemistry is what keeps a show working and moving forward.

12:07 pm
February 3, 2010

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Great post ABC. I know that is really unoriginal, but you stated it so well, that I won't bother to expand.

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12:45 pm
February 3, 2010

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First, davidsmom I am very sorry to hear of your loss and hope your husband recovers quickly.

Second, abc I don't have anything to add other than to echo what IMW said. That is how I hope it will happen too.

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1:05 pm
February 3, 2010

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Thanks..

Sometimes the thing that gets in the way of writing is also when the network has to much to say about what can and cannot be done. I know from reading articles or interviews with certain members of the cast that a draft is put out first and sent to the network suits. These suits make notes and request changes to each of these drafts and then changes are made and the script is completed. So I think it's safe to say that the network does have a big input in the storyline direction if they want to.

I personally think the best way for the show to move forward is by having an organic move from having the two leads as an attraction into a timely progression into marriage, which then continues to move forward along the lines of "McMillian & Wife" or "Heart to Heart", but with an extended supporting cast an much more humor and heart. Simply put his show is no place near Moonlighting or Remingsteele on so many levels. The first and most important thing is the charater depth, each of these characters are already developed much deeper emotionally than those other shows leads. Then add the supporting players which exist on Castle from the get go, yet those other shows created small supporting roles down the road, not from the get go. In Moonlighting the leads decided to work together in a PR firm for financial needs on both parts. In Reemington Steele again, she was a private eye using the name and he just became the face of the company for finacial reasons.
With Castle his real motivation for working at the NYPD with Beckett is not really of necessity, it mostly out of desire and wanting to be around her, he is not shy in his attraction to her or letting it be known. Something other shows did not do at first, they lead to that point and then to hookup and nothing more. Castle is building the foundation upfront. Even the wedding episode with the one that got away, if that wasn't a clear and planned out nod to what's ahead in the writers minds. Again other shows just simply didn't do that on any level. Castle is much deeper than the chase and I honestly think once the one chase is over another will begin, the chase will always be there for Castle when it comes to Kate Beckett, even after the first kiss or hookup. So for me, just having it happen in an everyday way is ok, because it's what happens afte that will be the good stuff.

3:03 pm
February 3, 2010

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agree with everyone of your points, ABC.

I've said it before, but I will say it again: one of the things that doom a show with UST isn't getting the leads together, its looking for stupid ways to keep them apart afterwards, because the hacky writers think that UST is all the show had going for it.

Lazy writing and the producers lack of faith in the show and characters themselves doom a show.

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7:56 pm
February 3, 2010

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Well said, maryc and everyone else; I agree! I'm Emily btw. I just joined yesterday, and I already LOVE it here! Love2

8:16 pm
February 3, 2010

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ABC, I liked your discussion on the differences with Moonlighting…I was a big fan of that show and I loved the banter between David and Maddie, but I was very disappointed when they finally got them together. It just seemed like it was purely physical and there was no "heart" in it. That is why Castle is so much better. The writing and acting are so good that there is so much feeling there…which gives them so much more to work with beyond the obvious physical attraction between the characters.

I have faith these awesome writers can keep the chase going even after they get C/B together in some fashion…and I can't wait!

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8:17 pm
February 3, 2010

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Welcome Emily! Glad to have you here!

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8:53 pm
February 3, 2010

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Thank you, sarah_darling! I'm looking forward to getting to know you all. Wave

4:25 am
February 4, 2010

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Whoa! cool! lots of comments!! :)

abc123- I'm agreeing with alot of what you are saying!! ( looks like you have heard that a few times- I am agreeing with you all who agree with abc123 also! he heeee..)

I think the writers of Castle are at a disadvantage – there have been many instances now of this kind of relationship based show going off the rails, and we seem to endlessly hear people alluding to ' the moonlighting curse' – People lack confidence that the couple can come together and make it work.. wrongly in my opinion!!

I have a question for the admin – Do you think we could start a thread where we discuss other shows in relation to Castle? I don't want to raise anyone's ire by discussing other shows all the time and not just specificially Castle.. but.. the reality is – there are things from other shows we like, or see in Castle and it would be great to discuss them with like minded fans.. – I remember reading somewhere about the thin man movies – and Castle's creators having that in mind. I would love to discuss this further.. Is this the thread to do it? I don't want to tread on anyone's toes anymore than I already have – mentioning scarecrow and mrs king a few times!! :)

Davidsmom – so glad to read I have come across a fellow scarecrow and mrs king fan!! whoo hooo!! I can direct you to the forum I am a part of for this show if you like ( send me a PM and I will give you the address!).. It was a beautiful progression for both their characters wasn't it.. and yes ship of spies was fantastic! Also, I am really sorry to read about the loss of your mum – and your husband's serious surgery – I hope that he is recovering well (Let us know how you go!!!) – and that you are coping ok with all the stresses of life.. Its amazing how sometimes a TV show can give us something else to think about just for an hour or two a week and be our little escape from the sadness and stresses of real life that we are sometimes presented with! thanks for sharing with us!!! I hope that Castle is giving you a smile :) Also- I can point out the first season of scarecrow will be released on dvd in march – only had to wait 26 years for it!! :)

I am crazy about the idea of an undercover kiss – but yes the old problem of Castle being well known is a tricky one.. then again, I don't see alot of people coming up to him and asking for autographs as he walks along the street or anything – I think his name is well known, less so than the man.. and hmm maybe he could get away with it!! Couples retreat? fabulous idea!! I seem to remember them doing that on silk stalkings – oh dear another show that had to change once the two main characters got together.. oops discussing another show!!! again!!!

Castle on a leash? Ummm sorry guys.. I am sure I am probably not going to be in the majority here..but the thought of the whole S&M thing – I don't find funny at all.. I find it icky, IMO.. I'll be letting that conversation pass me by on the boards I think..

vwlvbugg, whoo hooo!! another scarecrow fan!! Bounce If you would like to find an active smk forum – send me a PM and I will give you the address of the one I go to – not taking anything away from the fantastic Castle at all!!

abc123- your last couple of posts have been music to my ears- music to my ears I tell you!!! Bounce Bounce
I couldn't have put it better myself.. I love Hart to Hart.. I do hope that the networks see that they can't possibly demand the writers make their lead characters jump through all kinds of crazy hoops while keeping them apart for waay too long than is natural- the creators are on record as saying they will keep Rick and Kate apart while it feels natural however the moment it seems right that they will be together- they won't jerk around the audience and keep them apart.. they will do what feels right for the characters… alot of problems come from the right moment passing by – audiences feeling juped Yell .. it has happened too many times for studios to keep it up forever Yell .. surely one of these days they will bring a couple together and keep them together – and I hope it is with castle!!

The creator's references to 'the thin man' movies encourage me alot.. and there has been mention on here by a few ( sorry to not name you specifically!!) about the different chases that exist.. soooo true!!! and in the thin man you see that they banter – and she pretends not to care about him (remember Castle's line to beckett in the bough breaks – 'why detective beckett do I detect a note of concern in your voice?' – and she denies it but it is obvious she cares – well that is straight out of the thin man! Bounce .. they play litttle games with each other and tease and it is wonderful- and they are married!!! Bring it on I say!!

Pamfromcalif, I am sure it was you that mentioned Robert Wagner as Rick's dad.. Genius!! I was watching the hart to hart pilot episode the other day and it just hit me- he has the same cheekiness, good humour and charm of castle – he would be a perfect Dad for Castle!!!! :)

[can I just add in hart to hart they go undercover a few times.. and being well known and a published author on her part doesn't stop them!! ]

Ahhhh MaryC – I see you have also written about the 'stupid ways they keep them apart' – here here!!! I saw a snippet of an interview about the couple on Glee ( which I don't watch so I don't know their names!!) but the girl was asked if they would have a happy ending- she said the show's creator told her it is his job to make sure that the couple stay apart!!!! ugh!! I thought that was awful!! and if I was a Glee fan.. it would total put me off Yell .. If Andrew Marlowe got up now and said – nooooo Castle and Beckett can't get together for a long long time.. if ever.. I would stop watching in protest!!

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8:47 am
February 4, 2010

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ABC……………

Excellent post and I, like the others, agree. I don't know a lot about the other shows that were mentioned but it seems that they were doomed to failure based on the lack of proper character development from the writers. Castle's characters are well developed and quite interesting. The supporting cast is awesome and the murder cases are engaging. They have the foundation for a good long standing series.

The hooking up of Kate and Castle will provide for even more interesting dynamics. Kate who is guarded and private will have to adjust to Castle's very public life. Further, will she disclose and be open about her relationship with Castle with the squad? Channeling my inner Beckett, I would say 'no'. Castle, on the other hand, will have to come to terms with the fact that he has a girlfriend who's a cop. She puts herself in danger daily. Also, how will she fit into his life with Alexis and Martha?

With that, (I know I'm going to take a bullet for this one) I think there will have to be some breakups and possible outside love interests. Not to the extent of 'Friends' because that was just ridiculous….but an epi or 2. They are very attractive people in a complicated situation. It would be unrealistic to think that there can just be bliss throughout.

Doz……

The whole S & M thing skeeves me out too Yell …EWWW!!! But unfortunately I'm not as strong as you. If the writers prolong the hook up of Kate and Rick (even with my A.D.D.) I can't stop watching. I have to have my weekly fix of Castle so I hope the writers don't string us along because I really can't afford therapy right now.

1:46 pm
February 4, 2010

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To Doz – Yes it was me about Robert Wagner being the perfect casting to play Rick's Father if they ever used the storyline in the series. Compare the two actors in looks and in personality and bingo!

I am also one who hopes they don't go kinky with Rick on a leash I think that's demeaning to anyone man or woman, just not classy for this classy quality series.

I was a Scarecrow and Mrs. King fan, Hart to Hart fan, Moonlighting , Remington Steele fan loved them all. I left Moonlighting so irked and it was a combo of many reasons why that relationship played out badly on television. I must say the writers played a huge part in the downfall and the entire thing went south.

I hope I don't get jumped on here for mentioning the other shows I have before but sometimes references are needed in discussions for comparisons for back up information on why you have your opinion or thoughts on a Castle episode. I also loved The Thin Man movies and His Girl Friday so the banter of couples is what Castle does so well with Castle & Beckett.

To Van – I for one have seen so many of these TV shows from the 1970′ – 2010 where they always and I mean always bring in the ex's the new loves and I for one just dislike it so much. I know in the great big world out there many couples who have wonderful relationships who didn't go down this road, sadly in TV Land the writers & networks won't let it happen , they are so freaked once the couple are one everyone turns the channel. It isn't so past shows that had happy couples kept their ratings up, being Hart to Hart, Scarecrow and Mrs. King. Different TV eras so in saying that it's time to make a new era the era of Castle success a new couple that can have it all and start a new Castle trend! Our writers are doing pretty good up until now,I think they can do it if that is the direction they want the series to go. The acting is fantastic so the writing has to equal the challenge. If ABC can keep their noses out of the writers meetings and stop the memos to and from the set we will be ok.

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2:03 pm
February 4, 2010

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pam, your last sentence confuses me… "Discussion boards & forums are for discuss and express." Do you mean "are for discussion and expression?" I just want to make sure I understand your point.

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February 4, 2010

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Yes SARAH you understand me right I will correct it for you. Sorry.

6:39 pm
February 4, 2010

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Pam……….

I get what you are saying. It's true that there has been a t.v. formula that has been over done. My hope is that the writers remain true to the characters and continue to give us a believable (sp?) storyline. Writing

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February 4, 2010

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To Van – Me too!

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February 5, 2010

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First – thanks, everyone, for the kind words re: the loss of my mom and my husband's surgery. Things are moving along as best as they can and yes, simple things like a tv show and a forum can actually help, I'm finding – just wasn't ready before now for even that.

Was thinking about the undercover thing – suppose they weren't really undercover but actually posing as lovers? I mean, the newspaper said Castle might not be single next year because of his "relationship" with Beckett, when they had him listed as the 9th Most Eligible Bachelor. So suppose the Captain or someone on the force decided to let everyone think the relationship was actually at the stage hinted at in the paper, and had them pose as a couple but themselves (did that make sense) for a particular case? They'd still have to pretend to be involved. Or maybe there's a stalker or over-active fan for Castle who needs to think he's involved with Beckett in order for her to leave him alone?

I'm a writer by profession but am afraid that all the stress has left me without my full creative mind yet…my apologies for no more creative thoughts than these. I do like the power outtage suggestion, though!

To PamfromCalif (hope that's right) – I loved Remington Steele, too. That was another show with a slow build-up, but a steady one…till they finally got together.

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February 5, 2010

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After taking the time to catch up on all the Castle episodes…

I think that their first kiss will be in an elevator. The Elevator is always a reflection to the exact place their relationship is at the time, the feelings they have for the other person at that time.

2:01 pm
February 5, 2010

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abc123 says:"I think that their first kiss will be in an elevator. The Elevator is always a reflection to the exact place their relationship is at the time, the feelings they have for the other person at that time."

I absolutely agree. It's got to be in an elevator without a doubt. Smile

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February 5, 2010

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We all love the elevator idea, hehe.

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4:19 pm
February 5, 2010

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To all you guys who are talking about "Castle and Beckett" being under cover, keep in mind the show in season 1 where Castle and Beckett attended the charity ball/party (red dress for Beckett supplied by Castle) was actually them going "under cover" sort of. The "cover story" was merely Castle being invited to attend the charity ball with Beckett as his date, but they were really checking out whether folks working for the ball were the ones guilty of robbing/killing wealthy patrons.

The Castle writers have been pretty good about "NOT" revisiting already used ideas, except for certain recurring themes. I think Nathan commented about that concept in an interview when he said once the "joke" has been played, they move on and don't "hammer the idea". I'm thinking that "going undercover" has already been used and so may not be a player again. On the other hand, the elevator and the phones between the two characters are recurring concepts used over and over in slightly different ways–so those who are guessing that the first kiss will be on the elevator could be on the mark.

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