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HOW should Rick & Kate get together?

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10:59 am
January 29, 2010


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Interesting to know that about XFiles. Though I will say, that I was frustrated long before the last two seasons.
That said, I also completely understand that Castle is a very different show and they've not disappointed me yet. : )

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12:19 pm
January 29, 2010


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This is a very interesting question and one which could be dealt with in many ways. I haven't heard anyone mention that the network (ABC) might just factor in as well. If the show doesn't get a 3rd season, which is highly unlikely, then they would end the 2 seasons with them together on some level. But it currently looks as if ABC is going to invest in another season and because of this they might have a say in what happens to the two leads, it might be at their request out of fear of the "Moonlighting syndrome" that Castle and Beckett not hookup anytime soon. But in a perfect world I hope that the network allows the shows writers and creators to continue to do their thing as they see fit and that they in return don't wreck the show by sticking to old fashion formula that you cannot hook your leads up.

It seems from the writers point of view that perhaps it's possible that Beckett & Castle's first time will be the result of a drunken night, or at least their first kiss. Making them even as it's been noted.
The whole formula of the show is the chase and the person from day one doing the chasing has been Castle, so he will be the one to make the first move and he will most likely get rejected to. Even when the two leads do hook up (which I hope is be season end on some level) I still see Beckett wanting to keep their relationship a secret and keeping him at arms length, brushing off any really personal committment at first. I like the idea of them as a couple and I see what the writers said above playing out already. It clear for everyone else to see how suited they are for the other, how they are already together and yet they don't see that. They keep pointing this out over and over, she is his work wife, she likes having him around, she gets along with his family and he while projecting his single rich famous life has been all about her. As his agent said, when she calls do you call back.. of course he does.. Just like the end of last episode, the don't see that they were the two who were rude on the first date, who didn't listen or seem interested in their date. They are sharing war stories at the end of the the night, they don't see that it's their time with the other that is adding upto the perfect first date.

I'm not sure I'm up for future episode in which Castle has a girlfriend and how that will play, but I could see it happening, I could see that being something the writers put before us. Because Castle has attempted to show his attraction for Beckett and if she continues to reject him, eventually he will seek out somebody else and perhaps that will be what creates the final conflict between them, their coming together. Right now you continue to get the are you together question and the answer is the same, she says no and he says not yet.
If Castle has somebody in his life than the answer cannot be not-yet anymore and how does that effect Beckett if she knows he isn't active in chasing her.

Sorry for the long post. I'm on the side of the fence that thinks they could hook these two up and things would get better and more interesting. They are so different in their approaches to life and the people with whom they surround themselves with that there would still be the chase. You could go from Castle chasing her as a sexual desire to chasing her in the more traditional sense, chasing her to be committed.

For me I could see Kate & Castle having sex and then he being over the moon and she being like, it was just sex Castle. Then you could goto the next chase between them, his chase to prove that it more than she is letting on and from that chase you always have the marriage chase after that.

3:15 pm
January 29, 2010


dmcw

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abc123, I agree with a lot of what you said. It's tricky all around…whether you get them together now or later. There's such a fine line between losing your audience because the pace of the relationship has slowed (I am a mega Castle fan, but there was a point this season that I lost my obsession with the show a little when the pace of C/B's relationship seemed to slow)and jumping the gun too quickly and having the relationship become dull. OR dragging it out forever and getting stuck in dull friend territory (like Bones, in my opinion). URST can drive you crazy, but it certainly keeps me coming back as long as it stays in the forefront!

It would be so refreshing to have a show successfully get a couple togther in stages (the different chases that abc123 mentioned) and then play out the realtionship in a fun, interesting, and exciting way. That never seems to happen on tv…it's either a slow build up and a dramatic get together and the show ends shortly thereafter or the get together messes up the chemistry. I have faith the Castle writers could do it in a new exciting way!

I won't be surprised if they play out Castle and/or Beckett with a significant other at some point though…and that will drive me crazy!

But it seems like it's too soon for Beckett to jump into a full-fledged relationship with Castle (she made it clear in the pilot that she won't be one of his conquests, and even though she trusts him as her friend and work partner and is completely attracted to him, it seems she doesn't trust him romantically yet…and she seems to be a "relationship" girl).

And being a ladies-man is part of Castle…I don't see him waiting for Beckett endlessly and continuing to get brushed off and not wanting to be with someone.

Plus, I think there is an element of them enjoying each other so much the way things are now…they banter and fight and have fun and flirt and have a great collaborative working relationship (they have gotten so much more in sync the last few episodes), that neither wants to take the risk to cross the line in case it messes everything up between them…not to mention the complications of being together and on the job together.

I can't wait to see how it plays out…I just hope they keep the developing relationsgip in the forefront!

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5:02 pm
January 29, 2010


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The writers of Castle have an advantage, in that, they know what has been the down fall of other series with similar premises.  From what I can remember of Moonlighting the characters hooked up too soon and the writers didn't know what to do with the characters afterwards.  I don't know about X-Files but based on what has been posted the writers dragged out the lack of a lead character hook up too long.  In Friends, Ross and Rachel didn't re-hook up until the series end and by that time viewers had gotten used to them being apart and no one really cared.  I think Castle can work with the leads hooking up.  It was done in NYPD Blue and Alias.  There will have to be arguments and break ups to keep things interesting. The squad should not be in on the official romance which would further complicate things.  The writers just have to be true to the characters and continue to keep the storylines fresh. 

As for the accidental kiss suggested earlier, I'm surprised that hasn't happened already.  Kate and Rick are constantly in each other's personal space.   

8:09 pm
January 29, 2010


abc123

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I'm not sure how I feel about either of them having relationships with somebody else. I think that is sort of played out already. They did the whole ex thing with her last season and it was really flat. As for Rick, if they make him a player again it only reverses all the growth he has shown over the last year, it sort of cheapens things. I rather see both of them perhaps date others but for some reason not allow themselves to take it to the next level, have them sabotage possible partners themselves by finding out flaws in them or not being able to seal the deal. Much like the dates, having life get in the way as a result of choices they make.
How is it possible for any sensible woman to get serious with Rick Castle knowing that he wrote a public declaration of his love to Kate, that he has 3 books in the works and he is by choice wanting to work with her day in and out. There have only been two noted times that she called him and he missed the call. The time when his agent was telling him about being offered the chance to write the sherlock holmes series and then when he had Alexis duck tape him for research, he couldn't get to the phone quick enough. I just think if you add 3rd party serious relationships into the mix from the outside, you sort of cheapen things. Rick has 2 ex's, it would be simple for them to just pop up and create some conflict in backstory. I got the feeling from the pilot that his ex was set to have a bigger role in the beginning but because of feedback her role was cut. Which I think was smart, you don't need the screaming bitchy ex to start off, you can bring her in later.
Crazy sex ex could come back and perhaps this will show us growth, if for the first time he refuses her, but Beckett knowing their history is bothered about it being possible, especially since she is Alexis's mother.

But it was clear as day when the girl that got away came to town, Castle was totally feeling guilty about something, about meeting her and then knowing Beckett saw them kiss. He flipped the tables really quick, but he was all about telling her it was just a kiss.

I think a meeting 1/2 way is how they should go. It's beyond belief to Castle that Beckett could or would have a wild let your hair down side to her. Like Beckett said to Castle last episode, what kind of girl to you take me for Castle. Castle has an idea, an image of who Beckett is but her really hasn't gotten to all the layers of the onion. The same can be said about Beckett seeing Castle as a ladies man, wanting her as a conquest, having a horrible track record. So she simply does not take him seriously. Right now they are courting and they don't even know it. But none of the advances in their relationship has come as the result of a third party. They are already courting an they don't know it or at least they don't want to admit to it.
Castle can recognize when Beckett twirls her hair for another man, but he doesn't notice that she did it with him.

If I was the writers I would go the one night stand avenue, which leads to more one night stands and then having Beckett be the person who brushes it off as just sex & fun with no strings attached to it. Which then again put Castle in chase mode. She would have all the control because she would I'm sure demand he didn't tell anyone and at the same time she would be the person who is somewhat brushing him away. So Castle would be all about proving to her that she has feelings for him and that he could and would be somebody to share a future with. All this while keeping things secret.

8:23 pm
January 29, 2010


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Wow! 11 pages on posts to go through! Great ideas from a number of people. So many, that I'll post my comments in 2 separate posts. Here are my favorite ideas among those mentioned already, giving credit where credit is due:
Actress27:
I think they should have a party with the precinct at Castle's place (birthday or release party), Castle and Beckett get drunk, fall asleep on the couch together, Martha and some of the detectives move them into one of the rooms just to lay them down, in the morning they wake up and freak out that they're in a bed together, when they go to work everyone teases them that they slept together (they didn't), makes things awkward, but adds tons of new great lines and humor, then things bland out again, then Alexis gets kidnapped, they have to solve the case together, we get some family moments, Alexis is found and saved, Beckett gets shot in the process, Castle is upset and holding her, he kisses her, they share a moment, she blacks out, wakes up at hospital, he's sleeping there holding her hand she smiles, and BLACKOUT.

rvandsing:
I think the best way for Castle and Beckett to "accidentally on purpose" kiss is to have a holiday episode with mistletoe and have both of them accidentally meet underneath it with the rest of the cast nearby to observe. You could have the entire episode use the mistletoe as a running joke with each of them narrowly avoiding meeting underneath throughout the episode as a case is solved and then at the end get accidentally stuck underneath and be forced to deal with it. The reactions from the rest of the cast could be "embarrassing" or funny or whatever to spark the denials that would undoubtedly come from Beckett about her own feelings from the kiss.

itsmyworld:
I admit, I'd love to see some undercover work with the two of them having to play a married couple or something. Like at couple's therapy to get information on the therapist. That could be hilarious. They did this in another cop show, the Unusuals (did anyone watch that?) and it cracked me up. It could be especially fun with these two.

Cask-ett:
Or maybe even Castle and Beckett get excited over something happens to them and it's just a spur of the moment out-of-no-where kiss.And then they stop and look at each other and can't believe what just happened.

kemppro:
Castle gets shot by a "perp". It's not life threatening but it does put him in the hospital. It has to be Castle because you know he'll wear his scar like a badge of honor AND argue with Capt. Montgomery when he tries to curtail Castle's shadowing because it's too dangerous.
He's recovering in the hospital when Beckett comes to see how he's doing. He's asleep and she sits there watching him with concern and consternation because she's the reason he took the bullet – yeah, he took it in the upper scapular area when he was throwing her to the ground.
After the musical "flashback" of their times together which ends with Castle telling her she's extraordinary, she gets up and, with tears in her eyes, tenderly kisses him while he sleeps.
As she exits the room Castle opens his eyes and smiles…

This last one from kemppro is my favorite!

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8:38 pm
January 29, 2010


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I loved The Unusuals! The couples therapy thing could be utterly hilarity… although Bones kind of did that. Nonetheless, it would be perfect on this show. I can just picture it now.

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8:51 pm
January 29, 2010


Nev827

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OK, now for my own person ideas on how they'll get together. I posted some fanfic entitled "The First Kiss" on the "Get Creative" forum, so that's one idea I had (sorry for the shameless self-promoting plug).

I don't know that the two of them going undercover would work, since Castle is so well-known and people everywhere recognize him. I have thought of them both going "undercover" in a nightclub, Castle being himself and Beckett being the entertainment (this way we get to hear Stana sing!). I can see Castle hanging out at the bar, flirting with women like he always does, and he hears the most incredible singing voice come from the stage area (like Flynn in the The Librarian 3). He turns away from signing some woman's breast and see Beckett in another of her incredible dresses putting on the most sultry, amazing performance he's ever seen. His jaw drops and from that moment on until the night is over and the case is solved, he's mad for her. She comes over to his place after the case is solved for some innocent reason and Martha and Alexis are out. They talk about the case and he finally tells her he's fallen for her. Beckett, for her part admits she couldn't stand seeing him flirt with other women and after a pause, they kiss passionately.

I'd love to see something similar to what others had posted about Alexis or Martha being kidnapped. Maybe the person who order Beckett's mom's murder gets tired of Castle & Beckett nosing around on the case and kidnaps Alexis or Martha … or even Beckett's Dad. In the process of trying to rescue the kidnapped person, one of them gets shot and ends up in the hospital seriously injured. I liked kemppro's version of when Castle gets shot so much, that I won't try to improve on it, but how about this for if Beckett is shot. Castle comes in to her hospital room and sits on the edge of the bed, looking at her, hating himself for allowing her to get hurt. He takes her hand in both of his and tells her that he's grown to care for her deeply, that he can't bear to not have her in his life, and that he loves her. He kisses her hand, then leans forward and kisses her gently on the mouth. He tells her to get well because he misses her, then stands up to leave. As he turns, he sees Captain Montgomery, Lanie, Esposito, Ryan, Martha, Alexis, and Beckett's Dad all standing peering in a window into the room. He is embarrassed to realize that All of them saw what he did and all of them know his true feelings.

Another thought I had for the unplanned hug or kiss that is brought on by a moment of tremendous happiness, could be when one of them (could be either one, but I think it'd work better if Castle was the one who was shot) returns from having been in the hospital after being shot. Beckett could be called into the station on some pretense by Capt. Montgomery, and somehow convinced to get a cup of espresso in the break room or to go interrogate a suspect waiting in the interrogation room. Beckett enters and finds Castle sitting there all bandaged up waiting for her, one of those wry grins on his face. In front of the whole precinct who were all in on the surprise, Beckett forgets herself, walks right up to him, and hugs him, leading to a short but passionate kiss. Everyone in the station, especially Lanie, Esposito, Ryan and Montgomery, all applaud.

That's all I got right now. Sorry to have gone on for so long. I just love thinking of scenarios that finally put them "together".

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1:47 pm
January 30, 2010


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I think they are going to hook up as they did in the book, or something along those lines.
I think the writers said that we would hear about Castle writing his 2nd Nicky Heat book in the 2nd half of season 2. I see the books as a forshadows to what happens in the next season. I'm thinking that where Castle & Beckett end up near the end of season 2 will be similar to how things end in the book 1st book in someway.
Castle will always make the first move, it's just going to be Beckett who will have to open the door to to it and allow things to happen. I think we are going to see some kissing stopped and then the eventual green light.
I also expect that Beckett will blow the issue off as if it's nothing serious, just one night.

1:53 pm
January 30, 2010


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abc123, his agent told him about the chance to write some "British Secret Agent", and the music in the background was clear enough to recognize James Bond theme… :)

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2:30 pm
January 30, 2010


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To abc123 Either a black out in the city or a snow storm that keeps them from getting anywhere so they have to be together alone without interruptions from family or the police dept.
Also think the elevator could be fun, stuck in there for a few hours and they end up kissing, after they get out they act as if it didn't happen and then keep watching the other for signs that it meant something to them.

2:59 pm
January 30, 2010


Nev827

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Oh, I like the elevator idea, Pam. by the way where did you get the photos in your avatar?

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3:04 pm
January 30, 2010


PamFromCalif

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To
Nev827
Like any other Castle lover I did research and just clicked on anything with Castle connected to it on the web Google, Yahooo, MSN and looked under images & articles.Bounce
There are so many out there that are web site free.
I love the ones of them together.

3:15 pm
January 30, 2010


KalliopePL

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pamfromcalif said:

To abc123 Either a black out in the city or a snow storm that keeps them from getting anywhere so they have to be together alone without interruptions from family or the police dept.
Also think the elevator could be fun, stuck in there for a few hours and they end up kissing, after they get out they act as if it didn't happen and then keep watching the other for signs that it meant something to them.


The elevator idea is really great one :)

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3:19 pm
January 30, 2010


Nev827

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Thanks Pam. I've found a lot on forgottensecrets.com, and IMDB, but not the other sites. Thanks a lot. This just adds more fuel to my obsession!

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5:35 pm
January 30, 2010


KalliopePL

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Nev827 said:

Thanks Pam. I've found a lot on forgottensecrets.com, and IMDB, but not the other sites. Thanks a lot. This just adds more fuel to my obsession!


This one is also worth visiting :) – http://www.swannees-place.com/…..ason2.html

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11:16 pm
January 30, 2010


Nev827

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Thanks Kalliope. My collection of pictures is sure to exceed 400 now.

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4:36 pm
January 31, 2010


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What if Beckett gets an un-editted version of the next Nicki Heat novel?  Unlike the final version, the uneditted version is a lot more tender and has Castle professing his love for Nicki.  Kate confronts Castle about what was written.  He throws it back at her by asking, "What if everything written in that book is true?  What if thats really how I feel?  Then what?"  Kate is forced to face her feelings and acknowledge Castle's.  At the end of the episode, Kate gives Castle her own mini book (not the same scale as Castle's of course).  In it she describes in detail her feelings for Castle.  She gets on the elevator and before the doors close Castle stops it and walks in.  They stare at each other as the doors close.  Alone in the elevator, the kiss. (Fade to black). Bounce

9:36 am
February 1, 2010


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I've written about this a lot – well, it is one of the things prompted most to me – so yeah. Guess I'll just put in my two cents here xD
I think the first kiss would be drunk. I've read that here before, I've read fics about it, it just seems the most likely. Then, probably, Beckett will ignore it while Castle will get frustrated more and more. And if you ask me, Castle should just corner Beckett one time after that and make her confess, because she really isn't going to do it while she still has a way out of it.
I'd rather not have it fluff, though. Caskett can't be fluff. Just, no way. Not gonna happen. Their bickering is what makes it fun!

3:31 am
February 2, 2010


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I've been up late tonight reading the 11 pages of posts on this — no way I can get caught up.  Haven't been back to this forum for awhile (my mom passed away and my husband had open-heart surgery — sorry for throwing that in, but it's only now that I've felt like getting back into the Castle world again).  Have never missed an episode of the show though.  Loved the one where they were jealous of each other's date.  Couple of comments about the first kiss.  Doz — you took the words out of my mouth about "Scarecrow & Mrs. King."  It was one of my favorite shows, because they just kept getting closer all the time.  They did a couple of undercover shows, I believe – one on the cruise, one where they moved into a neighborhood and posed as a married couple…and now that I think of it, another one where they went on a retreat somewhere.

I'd thought of the undercover plot, too.  Seemed like a great way to "force" them to get closer for the sake of the job.  BUT:  as Nev827 pointed out, I veered away from that because Castle is too well-known.  He was just named one of the most eligible bachelors – in the newspaper, etc. – how can he go undercover??  Unless maybe there's a disguise involved?  That could be good.

I really think the writers are moving them forward just about right, even though I want to scream sometimes because they come so close, yet not close enough for my romantic mind!  But they sort of had a "date", with the hamburgers…they're jealous of each other's dates…it was mentioned in the bachelor episode that Castle had spent his time talking about Beckett.  Maybe we'll get a spontaneous hug or kiss soon, even without a major plot moment.

I agree – you don't kiss someone "accidentally" – but you do kiss them spontaneously, without any planning. 

Anyway – no new ideas to add, just comments – Blah

10:15 am
February 2, 2010


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The "undercover" thing could possibly work in some instances… well, maybe not Castle being undercover, but taking Beckett some place as his "date" to get her inside information. I still think couples therapy could be hilarious. I also admit, I would KILL for Kate to have Castle on a leash in the upcoming 2.16 episode. That would make my year. haha.

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6:26 pm
February 2, 2010


Nev827

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Hey davidsmom: so sorry to hear about the death in your family. I had a very sudden death in the family a couple years ago and still have a tough time dealing with it periodically. I'll keep you and your family in my thoughts.

OK, back to topic. I agree with you about the writers striking the right pace with the Castle-Beckett relationship. They're doing a great job with not moving too fast, though I'm sure some would argue they're going too slow! they're really doing a great job of building a solid friendship on which a great romance can be based.

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7:44 pm
February 2, 2010


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davidsmom, I'm so sorry to hear about your loss and the stresses you've been through recently.

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7:53 pm
February 2, 2010


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Davidsmom, I am so sorry for your loss. I hope your husband makes a full recovery. Wishing you the very best.

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9:26 pm
February 2, 2010


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It just occurred to me that my previous post may have come off as a little insensitive. Didn't mean to change gears too quickly as if I was making light of your family situation, Davidsmom. My apologies. I sincerely hope everything works out for you.

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