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1:27 am
December 3, 2009
OfflineDo any of you watch The Closer? The central character/lead investigator on the show (Deputy Chief Brenda Leigh Johnson played by Kyra Sedgwick) has this method of getting a suspect, usually the unlikely ones she may have only questioned for basic information, to confess outside the designated interrogation room. Sometimes, she'd put on this ruse of bringing someone from her pool of suspects to be interrogated by other detectives and invite her actual suspect to watch the scene with her from another room with other cops. At first, she'd simply comment about what's going on. Then, as she explains further and analyzes the case to the other person, she starts turning on the heat and becoming more accusatory. The real suspects, then, get caught off-guard that they stammer and make stories, excuses, until they finally blurt out the truth, whether they intended to do so or not. Some explode into a litany of justifications for their actions, others go more quietly.
However, the show has done that a number of times too that it becomes just as predictable as simply bringing someone in, telling them they did it, and how.
The bottomline is, in every crime show, things do get formulaic after some time. Especially when they also focus on personal relationships among their main characters, I assume the writers in these shows tend to put more thought into how those play out because they know that those scenes are what their viewers dwell on more. In most cases, at least for me, those are more riveting and engaging, regardless of how intriguing and suspenseful the cases may be.
2:00 am
October 27, 2010
Offlinedmm said:
I also noticed the same thing she is quick to get a confession I think due to Gates. She feels the pressure to impress the new boss I also noticed that it seems like Castle is doing a lot of questioning so far. He almost takes over the interrogation in some scenes it just seems stranger than normal.
The only thing that REALLY bothers me about Gates. There are HUNDREDS of murders in NYC, you don't call the mayor every time a case is closed. The mayor usually only gets involved in high profile/serial murder cases.
1:03 am
November 21, 2010
OfflineThe interrogation scenes are the way they are because they are essential to the narrative. At least for this show.
In other shows this may be a valid complaint, but I'm not too familiar with other cop shows.
But in Castle, the whole show is based around red herrings and avoiding the genre clichés and utilising an unorthodox viewpoint to see things from a different angle. Which means that the crimes have to be solved by scratching away at all the clues and witnesses until they are left with the little breadcrumbs that lead them to their murderer.
If the interrogation scenes were exclusively about Beckett accusing the suspect as her foremost tactic, rather than the questioning that gets us our clues, then we would only end up getting a negative opinion of her because we would constantly see her harassing innocent people (since, by the nature of the cases that we see in the show, the people she actually interrogates tend not to be the actual murderer).
Please note that I say 'nature of the cases that we see in the show', because we only see the interesting cases, obviously. For every case that takes a week of meandering to solve and has Beckett working through twelve suspects before she finds the culprit there are probably twenty cases where they get a fingerprint on a gun, catch the guy and, wow, he actually committed the crime. But those cases aren't very interesting and don't make for good TV!
Now, Beckett is known for taking on the weird cases and the ones that aren't cut and dry. So it makes sense that her interrogation technique is tweaked from experience so that she gets information from the suspect as a first and foremost priority. If that information only implicates them more, then great. If that information leads into more things to look at, then fine. She is a thorough investigator and would rather prove someone's guilt through evidence than by bullying them into a confession. And, personally, I prefer WATCHING the former than the latter.
10:34 am
October 6, 2011
OfflineApparently you didn't read a word I posted. Every cop show except "The Closer" has fallen into this rut where the cops collect evidence against somebody, haul him into the interrogation room and say "You did it!" And they say “No I didn’t” This is just basic laziness on the part of the writers, who obviously all copy from each other instead of finding out what real police interrogations are like.
I did NOT suggest the scenes weren't essential to the narrative, I did NOT say 'do away with the red herrings,' I did not suggest the clues be easy and make the show boring, I did NOT suggest any other of the detective work wasn't essential or incorrect or the storyline in any other way doesn't ring true, I simply said that the one line used all the time by every cop show, "You did It / No I didn't" rings dead hollow.
Defending the twists and turns, the red herrings, her unique style of interrogation, and telling me what makes boring television is A WASTE OF TIME, because I didn't criticize any of that!
You’re attacking a straw horse, either because you have no defense against the particular point I have made, or can’t comprehend it.
I like Castle enough that I don’t want them falling into this “cop show writers rut;’ I want them to stand out, and not sink into the mush of carbon copy cop dramas.
10:54 am
January 4, 2011
OfflineWel then maybe your criticism should be directed to all the shows it pertains to and not just directed towards Castle! Your criticism of their interrogation scenes made it sound like they weren't up to par with the others when the truth in the matter is you have higher expectations for Castle and they aren't meeting YOUR standard. That being the case, this is entertainment and there has to be some leeway here. If you want it more realistic, then realistically Castle wouldn't be allowed to assist with interrogations and would only get to observe from the observation room. This isn't "COPS" and if you've ever watched real interrogation they are HOURS long, drawn out, and for the most part BORING! I'll take the "romanticized" version over the "real feel" any day!
12:00 pm
October 6, 2011
OfflineMore realistic? Who said anything about that? You introduced YET another ‘Straw Horse!’
You still don't get it: All cop shows lately are using this same line, and if they continue to do so, they’ll all get boring.
My comment was simple criticism about one tiny aspect of one type of scene, one that Castle and every other cop show seems to be repeating, and GUESS WHAT? I AM directing it at all the other shows too, you just happen to be reading this one!
“My Standard” is that of an observer seeing a rut all TV writers seemed to have fallen into. If I’m the only one who sees it, so be it; but I highly doubt it. Maybe I’m the only one who’s commented on it instead of sitting idly by.
However, blindly defending against this one little complaint (with this “How-dare-you-criticize-my-favorite-show” attitude) tells me you won’t tolerate ANY comments about Castle you perceive as negative.
12:14 pm
January 4, 2011
OfflineNo, I just don't tolerate people who do nothing but criticize, condem, or complain. And as for my blindling defending my point of view, Pot Meet Kettle.
. Like I said before, we like to discuss on this forum, but because not many have agreed with your opinion you've become hateful. We simply don't share your opinion on this matter and choose to back up our perspectives with what we see as relevant. And not everything said in this room was directed personally at you but you've taken it upon yourself to criticize others thoughts and opinions, labeling them as "straw horses".. And you've only been a member on the site a week! Did you really just join to complain?
1:11 pm
October 6, 2011
Offline“People who do nothing but Criticize????” My text is filled with praise for the show, and I stayed on point: sticking to this one little observation I made, while others else seems to bring up things I didn't mention. Pot meet kettle?? Where? I didn't say "blindly defending your point of view," I said blindly defending THE SHOW. (READ what I WROTE) Hateful? How? All I said was you're defended the show blindly, and attacking positions I did not take, but never addressed the one thing I brought up: they are using the same exact lines all the other shows are using, at least when they open the interrogation. I you don't watch other show and see the same thing, you are in no position to comment.
As for 'Straw Horses' Let me reiterate:
I DID NOT say I wanted it "More Realistic"
I DID NOT compare Castle to Colombo, to The Rockford Files, to Moonlighting
I DID NOT says interrogation scenes should be removed, don’t add to the narrative don’t add further clues to the story,
I DID NOT say do away with red herrings or show straight clues solving a simple murder
However:
I DID SAY I like the show, like the storylines like the continuing development of the characters, like the long term story line about Castle and Beckett getting closer.
How you construed that to mean I “do nothing but criticize, condem, or complain” is beyond me. Those who disagreed with what I wrote, I did not berate or insult, I just pointed out more examples. When comments got off point, implying I criticized something I didn’t I steered it back. REREAD everything I wrote! Did I criticize ANYTHING ELSE about the show? NO!
It seems you're the one becoming irate and "hateful," telling me I only joined to complain! I had a point to make and I made it, you’re the one getting bent out of shape about it.
1:13 pm
August 28, 2011
OfflineAlie said:
dmm said:
I also noticed the same thing she is quick to get a confession I think due to Gates. She feels the pressure to impress the new boss I also noticed that it seems like Castle is doing a lot of questioning so far. He almost takes over the interrogation in some scenes it just seems stranger than normal.
The only thing that REALLY bothers me about Gates. There are HUNDREDS of murders in NYC, you don't call the mayor every time a case is closed. The mayor usually only gets involved in high profile/serial murder cases.
Besides, he's term limited. [Image Can Not Be Found]
1:17 pm
January 4, 2011
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January 4, 2011
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August 28, 2011
Offlinedocvap said:
No, I just don't tolerate people who do nothing but criticize, condem, or complain. And as for my blindling defending my point of view, Pot Meet Kettle.
. Like I said before, we like to discuss on this forum, but because not many have agreed with your opinion you've become hateful. We simply don't share your opinion on this matter and choose to back up our perspectives with what we see as relevant. And not everything said in this room was directed personally at you but you've taken it upon yourself to criticize others thoughts and opinions, labeling them as "straw horses".. And you've only been a member on the site a week! Did you really just join to complain?
How does anybody become "hateful" for expressing a civilized opinion on a forum about something so inconsequential as a TV show that is for entertainment only? Good grief.
I think the issue here is that Cyclone comes across as being aggressive because of the use of caps aka shouting at people who disagree with him or don't answer in the way he wants. I woudln't use the hateful but the posts do come across as aggressive, whether they were intended that way or not.
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