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Shoot to Kill?
November 16, 2011
6:01 pm
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One of the things I like about this show is that Beckett, Esposito and Ryan (and ocasionally Castle) don't 'shoot to kill' like happens in other more procedural shows. However, I have a question – how many people/suspects have the team actually killed? Beckett took out Coonan in 'Sucker Punch' but my mind is a blank about whether or not she, Ryan or Esposito have actually killed anyone else 'in the show'. I'm also not including Capt. Montgomery taking out Lockwood and his cronies. Thanks.

November 16, 2011
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oznute said:

One of the things I like about this show is that Beckett, Esposito and Ryan (and ocasionally Castle) don't 'shoot to kill' like happens in other more procedural shows. However, I have a question – how many people/suspects have the team actually killed? Beckett took out Coonan in 'Sucker Punch' but my mind is a blank about whether or not she, Ryan or Esposito have actually killed anyone else 'in the show'. I'm also not including Capt. Montgomery taking out Lockwood and his cronies. Thanks.

While "shoot to wound" sounds like a good practice, in real life it is not. Police are taught to stop the threat, and kneecaps and guns-in-hand are too small of a target to hit in the heat and panic of a real shootout, and besides, it may not make the bad guy stop shooting. Very few real cops ever kill anyone, no matter what Hollywood shows in TV or movies. Check this out: Guns and Gunplay Tropes

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November 16, 2011
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oznute said:

One of the things I like about this show is that Beckett, Esposito and Ryan (and ocasionally Castle) don't 'shoot to kill' like happens in other more procedural shows. However, I have a question – how many people/suspects have the team actually killed? Beckett took out Coonan in 'Sucker Punch' but my mind is a blank about whether or not she, Ryan or Esposito have actually killed anyone else 'in the show'. I'm also not including Capt. Montgomery taking out Lockwood and his cronies. Thanks.

According to a spoiler from the castle convention, espo shoots someone. Not sure if he dies or not. Also not sure which ep. But i am guessing Kill shot! 

November 16, 2011
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That story about

Esposito sounds VERY interesting.  I wonder what effect it will have on him, being a military veteran who may have killed people. 

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November 16, 2011
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Nev827 said:

That story about

Esposito sounds VERY interesting.  I wonder what effect it will have on him, being a military veteran who may have killed people. 

I wonder if that happens at a moment when

Beckett cannot react due to her PTSD…the situation escalates, Kate cannot react and Esposito makes the shot to protect Beckett.

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November 16, 2011
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Aw, C'mon… You don't need

Spoiler Tags

for pure guesses, speculation, wanna-see, etc.

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November 16, 2011
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He-Touches-Things said:

Aw, C'mon… You don't need

Spoiler Tags

for pure guesses, speculation, wanna-see, etc.

In this thread, I'm afraid you do, because it's not marked "pre-episode discussion" so people who like to avoid spoilers could end up being spoiled. 

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November 16, 2011
10:37 pm
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Nev827 said:

He-Touches-Things said:

Aw, C'mon… You don't need

Spoiler Tags

for pure guesses, speculation, wanna-see, etc.

In this thread, I'm afraid you do, because it's not marked "pre-episode discussion" so people who like to avoid spoilers could end up being spoiled. 

Pure guesses, speculation, wanna-see, etc. are not spoilers. ""Spoilers" are pre-broadcast items such as sneak peeks, previews, upcoming tidbits from insider information, interviews with writers, actors, editors, pre-broadcast reviewers, and the like. Things that we theorize based on what we think or want to see, or infer from previous episodes are not spoilers.

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November 16, 2011
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He-Touches-Things said:

Nev827 said:

He-Touches-Things said:

Aw, C'mon… You don't need

Spoiler Tags

for pure guesses, speculation, wanna-see, etc.

In this thread, I'm afraid you do, because it's not marked "pre-episode discussion" so people who like to avoid spoilers could end up being spoiled. 

Pure guesses, speculation, wanna-see, etc. are not spoilers.

I wasn't sure what to do and since I don't want to spoil anyone I decided to play it safe. Good to know, though!

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November 16, 2011
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little eve said:

He-Touches-Things said:

Nev827 said:

He-Touches-Things said:

Aw, C'mon… You don't need

Spoiler Tags

for pure guesses, speculation, wanna-see, etc.

In this thread, I'm afraid you do, because it's not marked "pre-episode discussion" so people who like to avoid spoilers could end up being spoiled. 

Pure guesses, speculation, wanna-see, etc. are not spoilers.

I wasn't sure what to do and since I don't want to spoil anyone I decided to play it safe. Good to know, though!

For example, if I post an item from AWM about, say, 4x11 in the 4x07 Post-Episode thread, THAT would be a spoiler, if 4x11 has not aired yet.

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November 17, 2011
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My original question was "has Beckett, Espo, Ryan or even Castle shot someone who died other than Beckett killing Coonan and Montgomery taking out Lockwood and his gang?" I know there have been shots that wounded – Kate and Rick in 3x01 A Deadly Affair wounded the counterfeiters and Rick in Boom shot the gun out of the guy's hand (highly believable, huh!). Shots were fired in Knockdown but didn't kill anyone. Beckett shot and injured the guy in 1x06 Always Buy Retail. But other than Coonan, have there been any other deaths by the gang as my mind is blank?

I wasn't heading into future episodes but more in past ones. Thanks again.

November 17, 2011
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oznute said:

My original question was "has Beckett, Espo, Ryan or even Castle shot someone who died other than Beckett killing Coonan and Montgomery taking out Lockwood and his gang?" I know there have been shots that wounded – Kate and Rick in 3x01 A Deadly Affair wounded the counterfeiters and Rick in Boom shot the gun out of the guy's hand (highly believable, huh!). Shots were fired in Knockdown but didn't kill anyone. Beckett shot and injured the guy in 1x06 Always Buy Retail. But other than Coonan, have there been any other deaths by the gang as my mind is blank?

I wasn't heading into future episodes but more in past ones. Thanks again.

I think you got it right.

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