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TVOvermind article on Continuity in Castle 4/7/11
April 7, 2011
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I think out of all the aspects of this show, this is the one thing that they are seriously lacking. However, they are getting a bit better. I.e. Castle and his always comment. But, I agree, i hate when significant moments happen and then there is no after effect what so ever. I know that its not totally their style to talk about things, but at least make things a little bit awkward (i.e. the kiss)  or show someone shaken up a bit from an event (i.e. 3xk, countdown). 

April 7, 2011
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This is a line of discussion that I'm actually growing quite frustrated over, so I'll comment here then let it go to avoid saying something or offending someone.  Marlowe was asked this question some time ago in an interview (I don't remember where, but I do remember reading it or hearing about it) where he said a conscious decision was made at the beginning of the show to make each episode stand on its own so viewers don't feel like they've missed something if they tune in occasionally.  Doing it this way will not frustrate the casual fan.  Otherwise, if a fan misses more than one episode, they may not bother to watch the show at all if they know they have to see each episode to have any idea what is going on.  So from a practical standpoint, this makes sense.

Is it frustrating for us the obsessive fans of the show? Yes.  Why? Because we take significant chunks out of our free time to analyze every tweet, facebook posting, spoiler article, interview, and sneak peek we can get our hands on to speculate on what might happen in the upcoming episodes.  We are the minority of fans everyone.  The vast majority of fans are not nearly as OCD about the show as we are, so they may not even notice when 3XK isn't brought up again or the kiss isn't brought up again.  They may have a fleeting thought about it like "He's kinda acting normal after smooching her he did last week." but then the casual fan won't think much about it, but will just enjoy the show and move on with their life.  We, and the reporter, notice these things because we can't get enough of the show. 

BTW, Marlowe also said, regarding why he didn't plan on bringing up the kiss at least in a direct way, that to do so would show that Beckett & Castle didn't take it seriously.  If Castle jokes about it, it means it didn't mean much to him and Beckett will be hurt by his blase attitude about it.  As for Beckett, she keeps seriously personal things that mean a lot to her to herself behind her walls, so for her to bring it up would mean it didn't mean much to her either.  As for 3XK, the writers were planning on bringing it up later this season, but changed their minds.  As for "perpetually absent Motorcycle Boy" the writers explained that away in Setup when Beckett says he is gone a lot either to work at the hospital or traveling around the world.  Lastly, after Countdown, we seem to see a bit of renewed interest on Castle's part to slowly and subtly win Beckett's attention and maybe her heart.  Did anyone else catch the look on Castle's face just before he gives Beckett the cast photo in One Life to Lose?  And we all saw his smirk and know he deliberately kept quiet on how he had seen Forbidden Planet in hopes of getting Beckett to invite him to join her.  So at some point after Countdown, he pulled himself out of his melancholy and decided to be the best most awesome friend he could be, while trying to wheedle some time with just him and Beckett here and there unbeknownst to her.  So each of the writer's examples can be easily explained away.

Castle is a subtle show, so it makes no sense for it to overtly refer to one case, or episode, right after another.  These are just my thoughts.  I know some of you will disagree, but I have been dying to get all that off my chest for sometime now, so I appreciate your patience. 

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Nev827 said:

This is a line of discussion that I'm actually growing quite frustrated over, so I'll comment here then let it go to avoid saying something or offending someone.  Marlowe was asked this question some time ago in an interview (I don't remember where, but I do remember reading it or hearing about it) where he said a conscious decision was made at the beginning of the show to make each episode stand on its own so viewers don't feel like they've missed something if they tune in occasionally.  Doing it this way will not frustrate the casual fan.  Otherwise, if a fan misses more than one episode, they may not bother to watch the show at all if they know they have to see each episode to have any idea what is going on.  So from a practical standpoint, this makes sense.

Is it frustrating for us the obsessive fans of the show? Yes.  Why? Because we take significant chunks out of our free time to analyze every tweet, facebook posting, spoiler article, interview, and sneak peek we can get our hands on to speculate on what might happen in the upcoming episodes.  We are the minority of fans everyone.  The vast majority of fans are not nearly as OCD about the show as we are, so they may not even notice when 3XK isn't brought up again or the kiss isn't brought up again.  They may have a fleeting thought about it like "He's kinda acting normal after smooching her he did last week." but then the casual fan won't think much about it, but will just enjoy the show and move on with their life.  We, and the reporter, notice these things because we can't get enough of the show. 

BTW, Marlowe also said, regarding why he didn't plan on bringing up the kiss at least in a direct way, that to do so would show that Beckett & Castle didn't take it seriously.  If Castle jokes about it, it means it didn't mean much to him and Beckett will be hurt by his blase attitude about it.  As for Beckett, she keeps seriously personal things that mean a lot to her to herself behind her walls, so for her to bring it up would mean it didn't mean much to her either.  As for 3XK, the writers were planning on bringing it up later this season, but changed their minds.  As for "perpetually absent Motorcycle Boy" the writers explained that away in Setup when Beckett says he is gone a lot either to work at the hospital or traveling around the world.  Lastly, after Countdown, we seem to see a bit of renewed interest on Castle's part to slowly and subtly win Beckett's attention and maybe her heart.  Did anyone else catch the look on Castle's face just before he gives Beckett the cast photo in One Life to Lose?  And we all saw his smirk and know he deliberately kept quiet on how he had seen Forbidden Planet in hopes of getting Beckett to invite him to join her.  So at some point after Countdown, he pulled himself out of his melancholy and decided to be the best most awesome friend he could be, while trying to wheedle some time with just him and Beckett here and there unbeknownst to her.  So each of the writer's examples can be easily explained away.

Castle is a subtle show, so it makes no sense for it to overtly refer to one case, or episode, right after another.  These are just my thoughts.  I know some of you will disagree, but I have been dying to get all that off my chest for sometime now, so I appreciate your patience. 

Actually, I agree with everything you said.  So there!  We have one character Beckett, who bottles everything up and keeps her emotions to herself, and another character, Castle who deflects his feelings with humor and irreverency (sp?).  So what one person could argue is lack of emotional continuity another person could argue that their actions are in character.  I guess everyone has a different take away.   

April 7, 2011
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I guess in thinking about this issue I have to separate the emotional/character continuity from storyline continuity.  For a procedural, I think the storyline continuity has been pretty good.  There is nice continuity with the story details and references to character history in things like the watch from Beckett's Dad, Remy's, The Old Haunt, and Beckett being a fan of Castle's books (mentioned a few times, most recently in Slice of Death).  One aspect of storyline continuity I'd like to see more involves Castle writing/his literary world/mention of the Heat novels.  With Heat Wave, we got to explore the C/B relationship through discussions of the cover art, the dedication, and the storyline, as well as events like the book launch party and the Natalie Rhodes visit.  In comparison, Naked Heat and Heat Rises have been in the background, and I feel like the books are such a significant part of the fabric of the relationship history between Castle and Beckett that I miss the characters' involvement with and reaction to them (even though it's technically not about the books anymore).

As for the emotional/character continuity on Castle, I never have great expectations about it due to the nature of the show as a procedural rather than a serial.  But I understand the point that in making the relationships among the characters (especially between Castle and Beckett) the focus, there seems to be a greater need for continuity in this case. I think my main issue with the emotional continuity relates most to the near-death experiences.  It would seem that 3XK, the freezer, and the bomb would warrant mention in subsequent episodes if nothing else, although an obvious emotional impact on the characters would make most sense.  At least the events of Tick/Boom led to a mention in Den of Thieves by Castle about saving Beckett's life and a few references to Beckett needing a new apartment.  A few lines of dialogue about significant events in subsequent episodes goes a long way.

As for the character continuity with things like the kiss and Castle's reaction at the end of Countdown, I don't really have an issue with them.  I accept Marlowe's explanation for the kiss never being mentioned, and it makes sense in terms of the character personalities to me.  I feel similarly about Castle's reaction at the end of Countdown; I interpreted his reaction at the end as disappointment/hurt (but also hope that things might change) and subsequent episodes have shown him seeking time with Beckett and showing her he cares, but backing off when necessary due to DMB.  I was very happy that 3x01 dealt with the emotional fallout from the season 2 finale in a meaningful way, and I was relieved that OLTL showed Beckett hesitant to answer the call from Josh (after she followed Castle with her eyes at the end of Countdown). 

I appreciate when the subtext or little signs are present, and it would be nice to get a bit more of that following very important events like the kiss- some awkwardness, a quick moment of tension or attraction, some lingering or thoughtful glances- would go a long way, especially in this show since the actors are masters of that kind of subtlety.  But overall, I think they do a pretty good job given the procedural nature of the show.

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Nev827 said:

This is a line of discussion that I'm actually growing quite frustrated over, so I'll comment here then let it go to avoid saying something or offending someone… 

I agree with most of what you wrote. Castle is a show that plays lightly with continuity deliberately. It is not Lost or Babylon 5 with a well-defined story arc. But there is a gentle progression in the characters and their relationships. Would I like to see emotional after-effects of The Kiss, 3XK or The Bomb? Yes, of course. But progress doesn't require strict continuity to be satisfying (as long as AM avoids glaring dis-continuity). This is my favorite show currently on TV, and the ONLY show that I plan everything else around.

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One of the things I have been thinking about in reading the article is….How much continuity do we need to see when significant things happen?  What things should remain a running thread throughout the show and at what point should a plot line be "put to bed".  I'm not sure that I'm making much sense here, but I guess I'm wondering how much is enough in regards to continuity.  At what point is the viewer satisfied that a plot point has been addressed?  And how do you deal with the rabid fan, while satisfying the casual viewer, and at the same time attract new viewers who may be intimidated with having to catch up with serialized plot line?   

I think that the relationship, when you take into account the nature and character of Beckett and Castle and the issues that each of them are dealing with, is realistic and understandable.  I think that we are seeing some emotional fallout from the kiss and from Set-up and Countdown.  But not to the extent and as obviously as some viewers would like?  They have attempted to do and show us so so much this season, and they only have so much time to cram it all in.  I would love to see a little more of those introspective moment where they revisit things that have happened, but at the same time, I'm loving the subtle way they are handling the relationship and their desire and success in keeping both Castle and Beckett in character.  Is this a lack of continuity, or just the way they have chosen to tell the story?   

I think that the intention with 3XK was to bring it back this season, but they got a season four and decided to go in another direction.  So they did drop the ball on that, I think, but in the context of making a TV show, I understand why.  It would be nice to see some fallout from the bomb scare in Countdown, but as it was something that was secret and a matter of national security I think that it's reasonable to assume that they might not discuss it, at the same time I feel that we are seeing some emotional fallout from what happened.  There has been good continuity with the handling of Martha and Chet, the relationship and how she has handled his death.  There has been good continuity with the Alexis and her teenage angst.   One thing that was not brought up in the article is the amazing job they are doing with the continuity with Johanna Beckett's murder.

I'm just not feeling that I really have anything to complain about as far as continuity is concerned.      

April 8, 2011
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Is it frustrating for us the obsessive fans of the show? Yes.  Why? Because we take significant chunks out of our free time to analyze every tweet, facebook posting, spoiler article, interview, and sneak peek we can get our hands on to speculate on what might happen in the upcoming episodes.  We are the minority of fans everyone.  The vast majority of fans are not nearly as OCD about the show as we are, so they may not even notice when 3XK isn't brought up again or the kiss isn't brought up again.  They may have a fleeting thought about it like "He's kinda acting normal after smooching her he did last week." but then the casual fan won't think much about it, but will just enjoy the show and move on with their life.  We, and the reporter, notice these things because we can't get enough of the show. 

 

This is an excellent point and very true I think.  Perhaps with the exception of DMB, I don't think the majority of casual viewers (or even the non-OCD regular viewers) would have an issue with continuity in the show at all. 

And as far as DMB, I don't think that his few number of scenes and the shortage of information on him is an oversight by the Castle team…I think his character was designed to be somewhat of a mystery intentionally, both to avoid SO frustration in viewers and because the relationship is meant to convey Beckett's state of mind more than anything.  The DMB strategy may not have worked for many viewers, but I think the decision to portray the DMB/Beckett relationship this way was purposeful.

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dmcw said:

I guess in thinking about this issue I have to
separate the emotional/character continuity from storyline continuity. 
For a procedural, I think the storyline continuity has been pretty
good.  [snip]

As
for the emotional/character continuity on Castle, I never have great
expectations about it due to the nature of the show as a procedural
rather than a serial.  But I understand the point that in making the
relationships among the characters (especially between Castle and
Beckett) the focus, there seems to be a greater need for continuity in
this case. I think my main issue with the emotional continuity relates
most to the near-death experiences.  It would seem that 3XK, the
freezer, and the bomb would warrant mention in subsequent episodes if
nothing else, although an obvious emotional impact on the characters
would make most sense. [snip]

As for the character continuity with things like the kiss and
Castle's reaction at the end of Countdown, I don't really have an issue
with them.  I accept Marlowe's explanation for the kiss never being
mentioned, and it makes sense in terms of the character personalities to
me. 

I
appreciate when the subtext or little signs are present, and it would
be nice to get a bit more of that following very important events like
the kiss- some awkwardness, a quick moment of tension or attraction,
some lingering or thoughtful glances- would go a long way, especially in
this show since the actors are masters of that kind of subtlety. But overall, I think they do a pretty good job given the procedural nature of the show.

Thank you you have summarized my concerns pretty well – I disagree with only your last statement [Image Can Not Be Found].

I think no matter what Andrew Marlowe told in the beginning of the show (ie. two and a half year ago), it doesn't work if emotional development is the main conflict of the season.

Another note: subtlety and continuity are not either/or premises, those are two completely different things. A very subtle show can have an emotionally perfectly coherent storyline and a very loud and overt show can be totally a mess. People who are complaining about the lack of continuity are not idiots with 15 IQ, who can not percept something until it is told three times through a loudspeaker. The problem is that the subtle signs shows either to completely different directions or in many times there are not even proved that those are signs. An example for the later: Leftfield said "Castle who deflects his feelings with humor and irreverency". So if he is humorous and irreverent in an episode when there are no conflict, it's his normal happy way. If he behaves exactly the same, without any sign of doubt or awkwardness though we know there was a conflict, (see Ep3x18) then he is deflecting? To me when he is happy, he is happy. If he only shows happiness to deflect, I consider Nathan Fillion (or any other member of the cast) perfectly capable to play it in a different way. So when it is about these kind of subtle signs it's like the Murphy's law about experiments, that those are successful if you do not have to throw away more than half of the facts to support your theory.

Even the subtle signs are not consistent. Take another example: after his breaking up with Gina happened their kiss. They didn't discussed it and it is perfectly OK for me, but I think nobody feels that they forgot it or it was meaningless to them. I'm hundred percently sure that as both of them has experiences, they felt that the other party was definitely involved into it when it happened. After this episode came the nightclub scene with Beckett's heavy flirting and teasing – with exactly zero reactions from Castle. He never even tried to test the water, how serious was that flirting. The common explanation here on the forum was that he is a gentleman who doesn't chase someone else's girlfriend. And what are we seeing now? Castle tries to weasel himself to Beckett when he hears that Josh is not around. This happens after Beckett chose Josh when Castle could also have been "available". So? Where is the gentleman? Or why was he an idiot a month before, when he was perfectly aware that he was there for her when she needed and she didn't shared most the important things with Josh? Was it considered unfair to react her approach but a fair game to initiate something what might ruin her attempt to be happy with the man she chose? Again, in Lucky Stiff Beckett was with Josh because she had no chance previously to be with Castle (since 2x24), now she is with him because she decided she wants him. At this point it is irrelevant that we were promised that Josh is not a permanent guy – Castle doesn't read the articles with the showrunners. I can live with any Castle image of the two, but not with both of them together (except of course if he has a massive MPD, but than please inform us about it).

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Nice to know I'm not completely crazy.  Thanks everyone.  I always enjoy getting others opinions on these things, even if we disagree.

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Andrew Marlowe actually responded himself to this article and the issue of continuity.  I so admire his willingness to address the fans.  Here is his statement (as well as some interesting comments in response):

http://tvovermind.zap2it.com/a…..bate/54163

 

Terri also had some comments about this on twitter:

 


Terri Miller

I agree w/ Andrew about continuity. i.e.
Esplainie romance. In service of murder plot tough to develop as fully.
Lucky we get 4th season!


Terri Miller

In real life stars cross, questions go unanswered. Things don't always cut cleanly. My life has very ragged edges.
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I don't know how to react about this continuity issue. On one hand, I can feel this lack of continuity sometimes, and it bugs me. I wish some things were done differently, and sometimes it's hard to see the characters seemingly forget about what happened in previous episodes. But on the other hand, I kind of feel bad for Andrew to have to address this issue and to justify himself. I bet he's trying his best, and I wouldn't like to be in his shoes and have to make those decisions on a day-to-day basis.

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Just a couple of points here.  

I have wondered from time to time why they don't at least throw in the odd line in a following show to refer back to previous events – or at least the significant ones – like the Kiss and the nearly freezing to death/being blown to smithereens.  I understand the desire to have each show be free standing as far as possible – which incidentally also makes the show much more valuable for resales in syndication as it doesn't have to be shown in order.  But would it have killed them to have Castle make some comment to Beckett in a show that followed Countdown that he'd not quick managed to get warmed up yet?  Or for Beckett to say something about being able to see the countdown clock when she falls asleep?  The first would have been easy to work in and wouldn't have confused the casual watcher much.  I'd categorize these sorts of things as nice to have, but i don't really have to have them.  This way i – and everyone else on these boards – can spend my review time digging for clues in the subtext.  

On Halaci's comments above:

So if he is humorous and irreverent in an episode when there are no conflict, it's his normal happy way. If he behaves exactly the same, without any sign of doubt or awkwardness though we know there was a conflict, (see Ep3x18) then he is deflecting? To me when he is happy, he is happy. If he onlyshows happiness to deflect, I consider Nathan Fillion (or any other member of the cast) perfectly capable to play it in a different way.

Maybe Nathan Fillion could play these two scenarios differently to signal to all the audience members that this happy go lucky mood is different than the other one we saw earlier.  But i think he (and Stana Katic) already do an admirable job telegraphing precisely what they intend their characters to be saying in reality.  The point of a deflection is for people to not see what you are really feeling – and what the hell good is a deflection if everyone sees right through it. Intelligent adults who've been playing this game for years are usually VERY good at it so that only their nearest and dearest can tell the difference.  So for Castle, i'd expect only Alexis and Martha reliably can tell the difference between his cover-up happy and his real happy, and maybe not even them if he so choose.  Ditto Beckett who locks up all her feelings behind the walls.  Only a very few get to know/see what might be going on behind those walls.  Sometime i suspect Beckett doesn't really know.

On the whole discussion of the Castle/Beckett dance/flirting/whatever and that not being consistent – i disagree.  I find how the writers have shown that back and forth is really quite consistent given the nature of the participants in this little game, albeit the thread sometimes is rather subtle.  Stana Katic called the banter/flirting/back and forth between Beckett and Castle swordplay a couple of years ago and she's given it the right name – it's a duel with sharp objects – intellects, tongues, personalities and lots to lose if things go wrong. The back and forth on who's flirting with whom, who's holding off (attack/defend/parry etc.)  doesn't seem to be the least inconsistent for two highly intelligent, emotionally damaged people who are (or were) dating others.  Nothing is uncomplicated; nothing comes without strings attached; everything is fraught. There are no guards on these swords. Get it wrong, miss a sally and someone will bleed – and both players know it.  

Halaci's view of Castle's behaviour in the last couple of episodes seems to be that it is inconsistent with the high minded, not flirting back at a 'taken' woman from earlier. I say it's perfectly consistent with someone who's decided he's going to take friendship with a woman he wants to stay as close to as he can, even if he doesn't have a (present) hope of a romantic relationship with that woman.  He wants to be (or to stay) her best friend.  He's living the 'always' he promised (unlike what some of our fellow posters advocated after Countdown), so he's being true to his characterization as a faithful man.  And frankly, the characterization of his behaviour as "high minded" and not chasing a woman he knows is with someone else was made on these boards extrapolating from what we think his character is supposed to be like. From a purely pragmatic point of view, there wasn't a lot of time in the nightclub scene in Lucky Stiff for him to respond at all to Beckett's moves/actions.  However, the look(s) on his face during that whole scene screamed what was probably going on in his mind – which, at best, involved an immediate detour to the nearest hotel (and at worst involved the nearest wall) – and in the mind of most hetero males watching that scene. Was Beckett really flirting or playing a role for undercover op purposes?  Probably both.  She's clearly good at playing a flirtatious hotty – look at the way she flirted with the bouncer then the drug dealer in the rest of that scene.  What would she have done if Castle actually said something/did something – we will never know.  But at this stage of the show – probably deflected him with some sort of 'don't you wish/in your dreams' remark without  a reference to Josh. (Note: Castle's the one who brings up Josh, not Beckett. Beckett doesn't mention him, not because she doesn't care about him, but because her personal life lives in a different box/behind a different wall, from her work life – again consistent.)   

 

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First of all I think it's really great that Andrew Marlowe took the time to personally address some of the complaints of the article, it's not common and I really appreciate his way of treating the fans' reactions. At the same time I was a bit disappointed that he only addressed the plotline continuity, though most of the article (and the comments mainly) dealt with the emotional part.

About Ghostwriter said:

Maybe Nathan Fillion could play these two scenarios differently to
signal to all the audience members that this happy go lucky mood is
different than the other one we saw earlier.  But i think he (and Stana
Katic) already do an admirable job telegraphing precisely what they
intend their characters to be saying in reality. [snip] so that only their nearest and dearest can tell the difference.

My words about NF capability was intended to be read as sarcasm, unfortunately there are no emoticon for this. I think the same as you: both of them can express precisely their characters' feelings. That's why I say that if (s)he plays something twice in the same way it expresses the same thing. The funny thing is that with your arguments even you admit that there is an inconsistency: there is a conflict what they should have addressed, only according to you it was addressed by deflection in such a proper way that even the viewers can not see the difference. Maybe my way of thinking is too direct, but to me it is a very contrieved explanation. Not to mention the two basic rules of any show: 1. the viewers has to know all the important and decisive information and 2. what the viewers doesn't know, it doesn't exists. The way we know can vary from subtexts to side glances, but nobody can know them more in a certain phase as we know, not even their family. (Beside, Castle was never really subtle to hide his emotions, the TPTB always found a moment to show us something different is brewing below the surface.)

Regarding the my opinion on discontinuity between Lucky Stiff and the last episodes, you very nicely told why he behaved that way in Lucky Stiff. I maybe agree with it or not, that's not the point – the point is that my previous statement was about that if he previously behaved that way, what happened since then should have only enforced his determination to stick to that behaviour. Kate's signs were not the least encouraging to change it (or those were not encouraging more than before). Yet now he suddenly started to cunning himself in situations where he may replace Josh. His restraints of being just an honest friend evaporized, even though he knows that Kate now is not with Josh just because of the status quo, but because she wants to be with him. There is an explanation of course: now we are at the 21st episode while before it was only the 14th. I just hate when the characters of a show acts as if they know precisely for how many episodes do they have to stretch something. I loved Castle because I felt the characters real -  not someone who know exactly that they have four or five weeks from know to reach a certain point.

(One more thought about the "it was no time to show it in that scene": there are no parts of the script what came carved to stone. How much time they are shown in a scene and what they do there is on the sole decision of the creators. So if they wanted to show Castle reacting to Beckett they could have done it. Saying that something could have been good to happen but there was no time to it is meaningless – it only means that the creators didn't think it important enough to show this instead of something else.)

About the swordplay: They can be careful, can dance cautiously and should they have done it from S2 (I mean sparing the whole Demming line and its fallout with the SOs), I would not say a word – I expected a very slow process. But if you have seen any fencing competition you should know that if one of them manages to fight their opponent to the end of the strip, the other one should attack back or the other one scores – it's not working that way that they start from the middle as if nothing has happened. In Castle that's what happening very often in this season. And lacking of these signs the time restriction is not an answer, because they have excellent actors who can tell tales with a look or a facial expression.

April 10, 2011
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Just a couple of points here.  

I have wondered from time to time why they don't at least throw in the odd line in a following show to refer back to previous events – or at least the significant ones – like the Kiss and the nearly freezing to death/being blown to smithereens.  I understand the desire to have each show be free standing as far as possible – which incidentally also makes the show much more valuable for resales in syndication as it doesn't have to be shown in order.  But would it have killed them to have Castle make some comment to Beckett in a show that followed Countdown that he'd not quick managed to get warmed up yet?  Or for Beckett to say something about being able to see the countdown clock when she falls asleep?  The first would have been easy to work in and wouldn't have confused the casual watcher much.  I'd categorize these sorts of things as nice to have, but i don't really have to have them.  This way i – and everyone else on these boards – can spend my review time digging for clues in the subtext.  

On Halaci's comments above:

So if he is humorous and irreverent in an episode when there are no conflict, it's his normal happy way. If he behaves exactly the same, without any sign of doubt or awkwardness though we know there was a conflict, (see Ep3x18) then he is deflecting? To me when he is happy, he is happy. If he onlyshows happiness to deflect, I consider Nathan Fillion (or any other member of the cast) perfectly capable to play it in a different way.

Maybe Nathan Fillion could play these two scenarios differently to signal to all the audience members that this happy go lucky mood is different than the other one we saw earlier.  But i think he (and Stana Katic) already do an admirable job telegraphing precisely what they intend their characters to be saying in reality.  The point of a deflection is for people to not see what you are really feeling – and what the hell good is a deflection if everyone sees right through it. Intelligent adults who've been playing this game for years are usually VERY good at it so that only their nearest and dearest can tell the difference.  So for Castle, i'd expect only Alexis and Martha reliably can tell the difference between his cover-up happy and his real happy, and maybe not even them if he so choose.  Ditto Beckett who locks up all her feelings behind the walls.  Only a very few get to know/see what might be going on behind those walls.  Sometime i suspect Beckett doesn't really know.

On the whole discussion of the Castle/Beckett dance/flirting/whatever and that not being consistent – i disagree.  I find how the writers have shown that back and forth is really quite consistent given the nature of the participants in this little game, albeit the thread sometimes is rather subtle.  Stana Katic called the banter/flirting/back and forth between Beckett and Castle swordplay a couple of years ago and she's given it the right name – it's a duel with sharp objects – intellects, tongues, personalities and lots to lose if things go wrong. The back and forth on who's flirting with whom, who's holding off (attack/defend/parry etc.)  doesn't seem to be the least inconsistent for two highly intelligent, emotionally damaged people who are (or were) dating others.  Nothing is uncomplicated; nothing comes without strings attached; everything is fraught. There are no guards on these swords. Get it wrong, miss a sally and someone will bleed – and both players know it.  

Halaci's view of Castle's behaviour in the last couple of episodes seems to be that it is inconsistent with the high minded, not flirting back at a 'taken' woman from earlier. I say it's perfectly consistent with someone who's decided he's going to take friendship with a woman he wants to stay as close to as he can, even if he doesn't have a (present) hope of a romantic relationship with that woman.  He wants to be (or to stay) her best friend.  He's living the 'always' he promised (unlike what some of our fellow posters advocated after Countdown), so he's being true to his characterization as a faithful man.  And frankly, the characterization of his behaviour as "high minded" and not chasing a woman he knows is with someone else was made on these boards extrapolating from what we think his character is supposed to be like. From a purely pragmatic point of view, there wasn't a lot of time in the nightclub scene in Lucky Stiff for him to respond at all to Beckett's moves/actions.  However, the look(s) on his face during that whole scene screamed what was probably going on in his mind – which, at best, involved an immediate detour to the nearest hotel (and at worst involved the nearest wall) – and in the mind of most hetero males watching that scene. Was Beckett really flirting or playing a role for undercover op purposes?  Probably both.  She's clearly good at playing a flirtatious hotty – look at the way she flirted with the bouncer then the drug dealer in the rest of that scene.  What would she have done if Castle actually said something/did something – we will never know.  But at this stage of the show – probably deflected him with some sort of 'don't you wish/in your dreams' remark without  a reference to Josh. (Note: Castle's the one who brings up Josh, not Beckett. Beckett doesn't mention him, not because she doesn't care about him, but because her personal life lives in a different box/behind a different wall, from her work life – again consistent.)   

 

Yes!  Exactly!  I heartily agree with what you've said here. 

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