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2:01 pm
March 29, 2010
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A lack of continuity on an episodic TV show is to be expected. If I or someone I knew well had just defused a dirty bomb in New York that would come up in just about every conversation for months. You just don't have the time to re-live events that happened before in a TV show like Castle that's pretty full already.
That being said, Andrew Marlowe's response feels a bit strange to me. He responds to a comment about Ryan's gun having been stolen by the 3XK and how that will come back in the future. A gun is a prop, it's not like Ryan had the only gun in New York it falling into the hands of a killer is a huge deal. The main thing in the article on the continuity was the behaviour of the two lead characters who seem to push a reset button before every episode so they start from scratch.
2:43 pm
July 26, 2010
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I don't think they start from scratch. They don't often mention what happened in previous episodes, but their relationship keeps growing, episode after episode. When I think of season 1, where they were in their relationship back then, and where they are now, I see a huge difference. They're a lot closer now. They've built something, slowly but surely. That's a form of continuity, as important – maybe even more – as the continuity of events from one episode to another.
4:07 pm
May 24, 2010
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MissWanderer said:
I don't think they start from scratch. They don't often mention what happened in previous episodes, but their relationship keeps growing, episode after episode. When I think of season 1, where they were in their relationship back then, and where they are now, I see a huge difference. They're a lot closer now. They've built something, slowly but surely. That's a form of continuity, as important – maybe even more – as the continuity of events from one episode to another.
The complaints (or 99% of them) were about this season. Praising that a show (which according to its creators is intended to be a character driven dramedy) is not at the same stage after three seasons as it was at the beginning is like praising a car dealer that your new car has wheels. Most people feels it frustrating right because during the first two season their reactions were in sync with what happened with them from episode to episode.
The second thing is what seemingly either too difficult to accept or understand that complaining about the lack of continuity is not complaining about the pace. A slow development can be perfectly continous.
5:25 pm
April 3, 2010
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Dutchie said:
A lack of continuity on an episodic TV show is to be expected. If I or someone I knew well had just defused a dirty bomb in New York that would come up in just about every conversation for months. You just don't have the time to re-live events that happened before in a TV show like Castle that's pretty full already.
That being said, Andrew Marlowe's response feels a bit strange to me. He responds to a comment about Ryan's gun having been stolen by the 3XK and how that will come back in the future. A gun is a prop, it's not like Ryan had the only gun in New York it falling into the hands of a killer is a huge deal. The main thing in the article on the continuity was the behaviour of the two lead characters who seem to push a reset button before every episode so they start from scratch.
To me, what you are describing is the difference between what I would call "soft" continuity and "hard" continuity. It seems that TPTB have deliberately chosen "soft". I can appreciate both approaches, and won't complain as long as as long as the authors avoid major dis-continuities. I like the call-backs to previous events, but if AM had to keep track of all of them, I think the show would lose some of the spontaneous charm it has.
9:16 pm
April 12, 2010
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Just want to say – Great post GhostWriter – and your thoughts on the "swordplay" are spot on IMO.
And I suspect there will be some interesting emotional play for SD when Ryan's gun shows are again.
1:19 am
January 23, 2011
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I must be stupid, (wow left myself wide open there) but I don't see continuity problems. I think Ghostwriter made all the points as to why – swordplay, emotional baggage of the principles… She doesn't share and he deflects if anyone trys to share… From what I know of police officers, if they are not using gallows humor and a too-cool-for-school attitude, then they are compartmentalizing these kinds of major events. Their nearest and dearest may get a glimpse but it's not going to come up at work. It's how they get back on the streets. And Castle would never lay these kinds of deeply emotional experiences on Alexis or Martha, so we don't see them in the dialogue there either.
What I see is a gradual deepening of the bonds Castle and Beckett have with eachother. Come to think of it, it's almost like the theory building they do with eachother. Gradually, they are building a case for being together - lots of missteps, missing evidence, 1/2 truths and evasion, going with he wrong person based on faulty assumptions. But slowly they fill up the white board with moments they can't ignore. The movement is subtle and in this day and age maybe there are a good number of people who don't do subtle, but it's there just the same.
Me? I like subtle. I like the twist, "the yank" as some call it, because I know these characters are not mine to control and I enjoy letting them take me where ever they want to go. Terri Miller is right, life is messy. Just give me a great story and a great performance every week and I'm intrigued enough to write reams of piffle on this site. Throw in something I don't expect and I'm over-the-moon. Even if I'm shouting at the TV (as when DMB showed up in the ambulance… P.S. Taking out an IV doesn't have to hurt "doctor"), I know that once I calm down I will be looking back, watching again and grinning like an idiot at how well it was done. In fact, that was my exact reaction after watching Countdown for the second time – "Those SOBs did it to me again! … Cool! Do I need to be reminded next week how well they did last week? Nope. Just give me another good story and let Stana and Nathan do what they do best – telegraphing everything in eyes and gestures and "leaning" (10 points – what movie?).
What I got from the article and the people commenting online was a frustration for things not happening the way *they* wanted them to happen. Things didn't make sense because they were out-of-sync with how they had already written things in their mind. I keep saying it, but if these guys weren't so good at what they were doing, would we be filling pages upon pages about it? Nah, we'd flip the channel instead of counting down less than 20 hours to go. I say, give up feeling the need to control, watch the masters work and enjoy the ride. If you want to control the story, write a fanfic.
8:39 am
April 12, 2010
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ACF said:
telegraphing everything in eyes and gestures and "leaning" (10 points – what movie?).
Do you mean "While you were sleeping" that's the first that came to mind. I've probably missed others.
To stay OT I am perfectly fine with slow and subtle but good old Josh can't leave quick enough for me.
1:07 pm
April 9, 2011
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dmcw said:
http://tvovermind.zap2it.com/t…..stle/54053
hello everyone, I am new here on the writing part. I always read the forum and i like the comments and idea's.
And afcourse some are good and some are less briljante. But now i like to give my comment about this article:
After i have read it, i can only agree with the article. I see some good episodes with a nice caskett ending or with a dramatic part in the show. But there is no following up in the next episode. Its not realistic (yeah i now its a show), but when one of us get somethings like that. We need a couple (at least two) episodes to work on it.
I like the example about the KISS in 3.13. You see the reaction of castle after the kiss (with his hands on his mouht) And when the episode is almost over: nothing about the kiss anymore; no looks, no ackwardness about it. Yet if its the normal day of work. Sorry i can't believe that, if i kiss some girl like that and not hearing about it anymore then i be totally sick about it (Afcourse i know its a distraction for the guard, but still).
I know that the writing crew is building up to a good Caskett relationship, but it now more a part here and then a part there. But not a good connection that we can say aaahhh he or she is referencing to a early episode or event.
But thats just my thoughts.
English is not my native language
12:56 pm
April 29, 2008
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I know it's not there yet.. but I can sense this thread could potentially get back into the rehashing of arguments over and over again so let's try and avoid getting to that point… ok?
5:52 pm
March 19, 2010
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I haven't read through all of the post episode 3x21 thread, but as this thread pertains to continuity, did anyone catch Ryan's comment at the end of the episode when he, Alex Conrad, and Esposito were leaving the precinct? Ryan said "they used to do that to me for talking in class". I took that as the torture scene in Knockdown. Did anyone else? That was pretty good continuity for fans, and it would not be anything weird for casual/new viewers. I think the Castle writers/AW do a pretty good job with continuity. After all, this is a procedural-not known for its continuity.
6:25 pm
July 26, 2010
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crazy4castle said:
I haven't read through all of the post episode 3x21 thread, but as this thread pertains to continuity, did anyone catch Ryan's comment at the end of the episode when he, Alex Conrad, and Esposito were leaving the precinct? Ryan said "they used to do that to me for talking in class". I took that as the torture scene in Knockdown. Did anyone else? That was pretty good continuity for fans, and it would not be anything weird for casual/new viewers. I think the Castle writers/AW do a pretty good job with continuity. After all, this is a procedural-not known for its continuity.
Well said. Good example of continuity. Another one is the "Always". It's been said 3 times this season. Again, good way of showing some continuity, without making it impossible to understand for casual viewers. [Image Can Not Be Found]
6:42 pm
March 19, 2010
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MissWanderer said:
crazy4castle said:
I haven't read through all of the post episode 3x21 thread, but as this thread pertains to continuity, did anyone catch Ryan's comment at the end of the episode when he, Alex Conrad, and Esposito were leaving the precinct? Ryan said "they used to do that to me for talking in class". I took that as the torture scene in Knockdown. Did anyone else? That was pretty good continuity for fans, and it would not be anything weird for casual/new viewers. I think the Castle writers/AW do a pretty good job with continuity. After all, this is a procedural-not known for its continuity.
Well said. Good example of continuity. Another one is the "Always". It's been said 3 times this season. Again, good way of showing some continuity, without making it impossible to understand for casual viewers. [Image Can Not Be Found]
How could I have left out "Always"? These little touches sure go a long way with me, and makes me forget about
the lack of continuity in some of the episodes.
7:03 pm
April 6, 2010
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The episode last night was big on continuity and call-backs. I have to watch it again to be sure, so just a few which cross my mind right now.
"Always." (Knockdown/Countdown)
"I'm a one-writer girl" (callback to "one and done girl")
Esposito and Ryan telling Alex about the torture scene. (Knockdown)
"Hypotheticaly" (don't know exactly which episode but Beckett used it before in interrogation)
The shared listening to the phone call (not "apples" needed anymore ;-))
Him watching her doing paperwork (it was creeping her out not long ago)
I think I'll find more on the repeated watching [Image Can Not Be Found].
7:54 pm
March 25, 2010
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"I'm a one-writer girl" (callback to "one and done girl")
ep 102 – NANNY
"Hypotheticaly" (don't know exactly which episode but Beckett used it before in interrogation)
ep 222 – FOOD (taking to a bookie in a pool hall)
The shared listening to the phone call (not "apples" needed anymore ;-))
At least two episodes with the phone. ep 103 – HEDGE FUND for sure, maybe 101 – FLOWERS for the other
Him watching her doing paperwork (it was creeping her out not long ago)
ep 104 – FURY
I think I'll find more on the repeated watching [Image Can Not Be Found].
Duh! Me Too – I will be watching the episode again in a few minutes – work day almost over <img id="smilie_12" title="Bounce" src="http://www.wdwinfo.com/images/….." alt="[Image Can Not Be Found]" />
8:07 pm
April 3, 2010
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jrabbit said:
"I'm a one-writer girl" (callback to "one and done girl")ep 102 – NANNY
[ snip ]
I LIKE these call-backs from previous episodes, rather than the strict "hard" continuity of a serial. They are like finding unexpected treats, little surprises left for us, that don't detract from the flow of the individual episodes. I don't have to stop watching to explain what has been happening to my wife who doesn't follow Castle like I do. I can enjoy these little remembrances without interrupting the show as a whole.
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