BeckettBrigade, I'm actually with you. I'm also thought Kate's "famously fatherless" comment sounded a bit thoughtless. I don't think she meant it to be rude, and it doesn't seem Castle took it that way, but I think it bothered me because Castle and Beckett have never had a real conversation about his father before, and without any history on the subject, it just seemed odd to me.

But I really like the idea many of you have had for Kate to do something to upset Castle and need to apologize. As much as Castle seems to have more of the power in the relationship in terms of the incessant flirting and not having made any serious moves toward her, Beckett seems to have all the moral highground on her side (he is always the one messing up and needing to make amends). It would be nice to see that power shift in terms of her needing to get him to stay.

Exactly dmcw, I really didn't mean Kate was purposefully mean.  I just think without a previsou discussion between them about the father-thing it was out of line in the way of her first comment being kind of smack-offish.  I do agree Castle blew off the whole father storyline with Alexis but sometimes the only time we defend something or someone is when someone else makes a hasty or thoughtless comment.  Then we feel the need to defend family, even if said family is loosely tied together, they are still family, you know?  BLood thicker than water philosophy….

In the way of the Castle father storyline though, I thought they should have explored the idea that once Castle became a father, he was more interested in how to be a father and what his father was like.  Even if a father was missing in his life, when he became a father I think those feelings would surely have surfaced in him.  It would be only natural.  SO while they might be buried for 40 years, the feelings might have surfaced a tad with Kate's comment and Esposito's views of Castle's Mom.  He could be so used to burying his "dad" feelings that his hurt is beyond the surface.  If Castle sees Kate with her Dad he might commnet to her about their relationship then a discussion of his "missing dad" could reveal his hurt a but more.  A teasing commnet by Beckett could really blow up—-she is used to Castle's gallows humor, but he might not be so open to it when it is about a sensistive area of his life and loss. 

What I really think needs to happen is have Kate work to keep this relationhsip a bit and show her hand for how she feels about him.  Whatever way that can happen I would cheer it on!  Kate seems as though she has been up to now able to keep her feelings pretty well hidden, with only a few moments of jealousy showing up.  I think that needs to change.  She needs to see Castle as too important to her to let go.  She needs to work to get their relationship back on track.  He is around her doting and I think she takes that for granted.  I want that to be shaken a bit.

Kate needs to worry that he will not come back or that she really hurt him.  It is time for Kate to soften and go to him for an apology or a heart to heart.   We loved the desk side discussion after her mother's murder was killed.  WHen Castle was feeling guilty and said he couldn't come back.  SHe really showed a lot then.  I think we need another discussion about "them" but this time from a Kate messing something up scenario.  It could really show Kate that Castle is more than her shadow, he is very significant to her.  No more blindly blowing him off.

I do not think the 'cat mouse' can continue much more without a step closer between the two.  For those of you who say NO NO NO, mark this down, I do not mean marriage!  TO me marriage is how the show ends.  But they do need to explore moving past friends and begin to date or kiss or explore intimacy through personal discussions that bring them closer together.  This is not jumping the shark—it is the way real relationship progress.

Hmmm. I don't think Kate is the only one that needs to be honest with her feelings. I don't recall Castle ever telling her how he truly feels. In the first episode he did let her know he was interested but more on the physical aspect of it. He said "go to dinner and de-brief each other." That didn't sound like he wanted a relationship with her.

And Castle doesn't hide the fact that he had slept with alot of women. And how do you expect Kate to take Castle seriously when he calls his ex wife and the mother of his child a "deep fried twinkie?" Something that he has once or twice a year.

If Kate was the type to just go for a roll in the hay, I think she would have taken Will up on his offer. But she didn't.

Both are afraid to take that next step. Castle thinks that Kate would never take him seriously, so he settles for shadowing her and being her friend. Kate think that Castle isn't over his being a bachelor and as Kate said, his personal life is on Page Six. So Kate, for all the confidence that she puts on, she's really insecure when it comes to Castle and her feelings for him. She's not used to the lifestyle that Castle lives. She's a very private person and she definitlely doesn't want to be just a fling.

When Kate came to Castle after finding out that her mother had been murdered by a hotman, it was her way of reching out to him. She doesn't easily trust anybody with her mother's case. And that's along way from telling Castle to leave it alone to now asking him to help him. And then at the end of that episode, she tells him she wants him there with him. Kate may not be declaring her love for him but she's declaring something. And that's a good thing.

Plus, the fact that she spends time with Alexis when Alexis needed someone to talk to. And when Alexis asked her if she could volunteer at the station and spent time with her there. She also takes the time to call his family just so they won't worry if Castle was hurt or not. These little things she does, she cares alot about Castle and these things endear her mroe to him.

Remember the saying "Easy to get, easy to forget." So I'm happy with this dance.

I really hope that this discussion doesn't turn into "Team Castle" or "Team Beckett."

hello fellow Castle fans!!

I must be quick so sorry but I don't have time to respond individually to posts yet.. but I just wanted to say that the purpose of this thread was to discuss Unresolved Sexual Tension in general, and in the context of Castle.. I am loving this discussion.. but am wondering if maybe it should be in the 'how will they get together' thread – or the 'relationship' thread.. there may be people out there who aren't interested in discussing UST or URST..as a concept, but would want to weigh in on your great thoughts on the evolution of Castle and Beckett.. and they may not catch this great discussion under the URST discussion thread..

Also, I just wanted to make sure my position on all this was clear – I want Castle and Beckett together yesterday… and don't want to wait… but.. I am coming to the realisation that because of URST ( or UST!!) they aren't going to get them together soon.. this is why I started this thread- to discuss UST and ask- could we think of any show that had successfully made the leap from future couple with UST to present couple successfully- successfully meaning without leading to the end of the show in some way.. and also a couple who were the main characters.. and on a show which is based around this couple's relationship ..

I have been testing out my theory on this.. and… if we could come up with one or two shows that did do this successfully then my theory would be (very happily) blown out of the water – the theory being that no show is going to bring together a couple like Castle and Beckett in 2 seasons kind of thing..

Do I think it can be done? with good writing you bet!!! but.. I don't think studios will let it happen.. hearing Stana say on one of those video interviews that is is based on moonlighting only reinforces for me the likelihood they won't be making the 'mistake' that moonlighting did.. (-saying this is what they think.. not what I think: moonlighting was more complicated than that though if you ask me!)

Ok,you all knew that I couldn't/wouldn't be able to resist this one and you were right. Take no prisioners.  :)

 

 

 

URST/UST/RST, This whole series was conceived with the romantic angle(urst) as a character with a life of it's own.Since the begining the writing has slowly pushed and pulled the main characters together and apart. It's like any relationship slowly developing over time with the exception of the almost surreal chemistry between Castle and Beckett. The chemistry could potientially carry the show through season 3 without a hook up.The writing has been absolutely top notch for the most part.The teases have been smartly writen and carried out flawlessly by the mains.

However,why yes,I have a however.However,the viewing audience demands a romantic link up(resolution of urst) of some kind. I for one will not stay dedicated for 5 seasons  without one. Period.It doesn't have to be intercourse three or four times an episode but I want a (real,meaningful,mutually understood for what it is) kiss between these characters  and I want one soon. Do you hear me. Soon!!!   lol  

This group of writing talent know about URST,and all the previous shows that used it and have had years to learn how to adjust it to fit the viewing audience. I would absolutely hate to see this chemistry wasted on bull schrit  quirks and twist. I'm already a little unhappy about writing in Beckett a romantic partner for four episodes but willing to give the benifit of the doubt because of excellence demonstrated in past writing.I am still willing to trust the vision of Marlowe and team because they have not disappionted so far.

Bottom line is I want to see Beckett and Castle hooked up and backed up with more excellent writing.   So……….Marlowe and team,show me the money shot and show me sooner rather than later.

 

Regarding Will's character, my understanding is that a whole arc was planned for his character, but Bailey Chase got other work and couldn't stick with the show.  And from what I've heard, the writers were kinda excited about his arc, but couldn't make it work with his schedule.  Maybe sometime down the road they'll bring him back and we'll have a resolution. 

insomniac said:

That's why what Jose Molina (I think?) said recently about how the UST is what keeps Castle and Beckett working together and is the show's basic premise worries me. As much as I adore the show, the premise is rather thin and, despite the "3 book deal" thing in 2x05, the idea that Castle would shadow Beckett for 5+ years (if the show lasts that long) as work partner without anything developing between them is stretching it a little. Makes more sense for them to be together and have him not being able to resist sticking his nose in his girlfriend's/wife's business, but that's just me.

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 I am in agreement with your concern on this.  Jose compared the detective work to foreplay and said that that aspect would have to come to an end if Castle and Beckett got together since the show isn't Hart to Hart (or something along those lines).  Many people have expressed that the comment was simply Jose's opinion and not necessarily reflective of the overall vision for the show. 

I, for one, am hoping that is the case.  I don't see the detective work so much as foreplay, but rather as an aspect of shared passion in their relationship.  The banter may be foreplay, but I think fun, exciting couples keep that flirt going even after their relationships have progressed.  Beckett and Castle certainly have enough differences in their approaches to work and life and love to provide fodder for tension in their relationship if done right.

I'm sure that they could drag out the relationship for 5+ years with numerous gimmicks and recurring plot points, but I'm equally hopeful that they are creative enough to develop Castle and Beckett's relationship in an unprecedented way.  I'm excited to see what the new love interest unveils about Beckett's behavior in relationships (there wasn't a ton revealed with Will) and Castle's feelings (which he hides behind his flirting and yearning glances).  I don't think a spontaneous kiss is out of the question in the near future, especially because it could fuel plenty of misunderstandings and awkward tension between Castle and Beckett. 

5 seasons with a single forced kiss and goofy coma hallucination has not done Bones any good in my opinion.  I think I mentioned earlier that, for me, Moonlighting started off things in the right direction.  As early as season 2, Maddie and David shared a spontaneous kiss when they thought David would have to leave, and there were several fantasized kisses between them, as well.  It may be gimmicky, but I don't think it's out of the question that either of those circumstances could happen between Castle and Beckett.  They're both passionate characters, and I figure they'd be imagining or dreaming about kissing even if they aren't willing to carry things forward or admit any feelings.  And they certainly are in each other's personal space enough for an uninterrupted "cherries" moment or dangerous situation on the job to turn into a spontaneous kiss.

By now I'm probably repeating myself on this topic, but it's fun to think about!   

 

I think Kate/Will didn't work out because, as Castle said, Will is the male version of Kate.  Sure he's attractive and serious about the law enforcement thing like she is, but that's not enough for her.  As she told Will in season 1, she thinks Castle is "interesting", and by now she considers him sweet, likes having him around, obviously respects his instincts for policework, and probably thinks of him as a friend, but can't see him as serious relationship material.  It seems to me that Kate likes a guy who can challenge her to think differently, who brings out her fun side, who is intelligent, unpredictable, and has a big heart.  Will didn't challenge her, didn't keep her on her toes because he was so much like her.  She knew what to expect with him. 

My philosophy for what makes a good couple is this "Does one person in the relationship make the other better and vice versa?"  Castle makes Beckett better because she can be fun with him and because he looks at crimes from a different perspective.  Beckett makes Castle better because she's helped him see the human side of murder cases, so his big heart comes out more. The sexual tensions comes in because they don't yet realize how good they are for each other. 

Just some random thoughts. 

Insomniac said:

Maybe I'm just contrary but I found Castle obnoxious, borderline skeevy in the pilot. Now we know how big of a fangirl Beckett is, I can understand her rolled eyes, extremely irritated attitude around him when he propositions her like that within 5 minutes of meeting her.
 
1. If Beckett and Castle's first kiss is anything like the one on Bones I'm outta here faster than you can say "steamboats". Extra minus points if either character compares it to kissing a sibling.
2. Ironically, Castle is a show that could probably get away with an AU episode because of Nikki Heat and Rook. If done well, I wouldn't mind an episode like that some way down the line.

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True, Castle was obnoxious in the pilot.  But I think that's what got the UST going for me.  C/B were at such odds even with the chemistry between them that it set up a great story.   It's been such a fun ride to see them get from there to where we are now in season 2.  Sometimes I miss the stronger love/hate stuff a little now that they are friends.  And the over-the-top obnoxious Castle was such a contrast to the big-hearted son and father at home, that it gave his character a lot more complexity. 
Your comment about the kiss on Bones cracked me up.  Ditto that.

Oooo…I love that idea for some AU Heat/Rook stuff to be done on the show.  I never thought of that as a possibility before, but that would be interesting!

Really enjoying your comments insomniac!