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What would internal affairs do about the Montgomery Shooting?
June 5, 2011
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You got dozens of guns going off, two cops at the scene and several dead folks. And it seems the dead cop is slightly dirty.

How do you think Internal affairs would handle this? Would Montgomery's involvement be swept under the rug?

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June 5, 2011
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I think it could easily be swept under the rug.  You've got 2 witnesses (Castle and Beckett) and 2 other detectives vouching for their stories.  There would be nothing to investigate.

September 1, 2011
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bringing this back from the dead.

 

i haven't been able to read all the posts this summer, so i am not sure if this has been discussed.

 

we all know that once the dragon is found, the late captain montgomery's involvement will be revealed, and the team's involvement in burying that truth is going to be found out. with the new captain gates' ties to internal affairs, can we forsee a very bad train wreck in the future? [Image Can Not Be Found]

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September 1, 2011
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thumper said:  

we all know that once the dragon is found, the late captain montgomery's involvement will be revealed, and the team's involvement in burying that truth is going to be found out. with the new captain gates' ties to internal affairs, can we forsee a very bad train wreck in the future? [Image Can Not Be Found]

 

Good point, but if the end result is the team uncovering the involvment of a much higher ranking cop or city official, it might be grounds to lighten their punishment.  Something called mitigating circumstances might be considered.  But this is something interesting to keep in mind for the future. 

If a police captain is found dead, I'm sure a full-investigation would be launched, but it would find that Beckett and Castle weren't involved in any of the shooting since there would be no gun powder residue on their hands or clothes, Beckett's weapon wouldn't show evidence of being fired, and they could easily argue that they pulled up outside the hangar at around the time they heard shots fired, rushed into the hangar and found Montgomery and everyone else dead.  And with Ryan and Esposito corroborating that story, there wouldn't be enough to look into the case further.  Plus, the department wouldn't want any more embarrassment to come to it from exposing Montgomery's shady past. 

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September 1, 2011
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Nev827 said:

thumper said:  

we all know that once the dragon is found, the late captain montgomery's involvement will be revealed, and the team's involvement in burying that truth is going to be found out. with the new captain gates' ties to internal affairs, can we forsee a very bad train wreck in the future? [Image Can Not Be Found]

 

Good point, but if the end result is the team uncovering the involvment of a much higher ranking cop or city official, it might be grounds to lighten their punishment.  Something called mitigating circumstances might be considered.  But this is something interesting to keep in mind for the future. 

If a police captain is found dead, I'm sure a full-investigation would be launched, but it would find that Beckett and Castle weren't involved in any of the shooting since there would be no gun powder residue on their hands or clothes, Beckett's weapon wouldn't show evidence of being fired, and they could easily argue that they pulled up outside the hangar at around the time they heard shots fired, rushed into the hangar and found Montgomery and everyone else dead.  And with Ryan and Esposito corroborating that story, there wouldn't be enough to look into the case further.  Plus, the department wouldn't want any more embarrassment to come to it from exposing Montgomery's shady past. 

i am left with just speculation because we have no idea how the team reported the events surrounding montgomery's death. all we know is that they were going to not disclose anything that would reveal the truth about montgomery. we don't know the reason given as to why a captain (montgomery) would go to the scene of the crime while off duty without backup, or whether beckett/castle were there before, during, or after?

 

i wonder if someone in internal affairs knows. maybe that's why gates is now captain at their precinct, as a cover to find out more. they could be looking for those police files montgomery mailed away before his death. gates who get major brownie points for digging up the truth in something this potentially high-profile… just what she needs to rise up in the ranks.

what could be more scary is that The Dragon could be involved in this as well… but again this is all speculation by caused by OCD on my part [Image Can Not Be Found]

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September 1, 2011
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thumper said:  

i wonder if someone in internal affairs knows. maybe that's why gates is now captain at their precinct, as a cover to find out more. they could be looking for those police files montgomery mailed away before his death. gates who get major brownie points for digging up the truth in something this potentially high-profile… just what she needs to rise up in the ranks.

what could be more scary is that The Dragon could be involved in this as well… but again this is all speculation by caused by OCD on my part [Image Can Not Be Found]

It does make you wonder if The Dragon had Gates assigned there to keep an eye on everyone and, in particular, to get rid of Castle or at least keep him on a very short leash. 

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September 1, 2011
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IRL Beckett probably would be fired from the NYPD and Castle would have a serious charge for not calling reinforcements. That both he and Beckett were at the site at least in the same time as Montgomery can be easily checked and proved. (All that happened in an airfield where they had to arrive by car: if somebody wants to convince me that after 9/11 you can drive in to an airfield near NY without any kind of registration and timestamp, you are welcome.) If he obstructed Beckett to cover her superior he is guilty in obstructing an officer in their work and positively taking part in the killing of a high ranking police officer. If Beckett covers him, she alone is responsible not helping Montgomery in an ensuing gunfight – I don't know how is it in the USA, but here it is the territory of the Military Court (all armed law-enforcement corps belong to them) and the lightest charge would be cowardice in fight. Neither Castle nor Beckett could go even near to the precinct until their names are not fully cleared – I police officer was killed in their presence, it's not something what the IA would let go easily.

In the show probably nothing will happen, the boy scouts vowed that they wont talk and in Castle it will be enough. Probably some side remarks from Gates and maybe later some kind of "train wreck" revelation like a result of a "secret investigation".

(For the "easily swept under the rug": Beckett didn't even shoot her gun. To cover the actions what Castle and she did it is not enough not talking about Montgomery's crimes, they should have manipilated evidences to make their presence more active. It is it is a felony in itself.)

September 1, 2011
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Well, no one that we we know, knows that Roy even had original files, or that he mailed them. IA could cross-check Capt. Montgomery's cell phone records, as well as Beckett's, Ryan's & Esposito's phones. But I don't think they would have recordings of those calls, only the text from Esposito would require some creative storytelling. But they wouldn't necessarily be able to get to the conclusion that Rick or Kate talked with Roy in the hangar before the shootout. There were no witnesses left alive (except C & B) to that critical piece of information. C & B could truthfully testify that Roy had called them to meet him there, and that they entered the hangar after hearing the the shoots. Depending on how much pressure the interrogator could bring to the questioning (as the investigation would have barely started by the time of Roy's funeral & Kate's shooting), IA may run into a dead end. As I think about it, isn't IA only interested where there is evidence of illegal/unethical actions by police officers? There would be serious questions about why Capt. Montgomery was killed and why his star detective was shot, but that, by itself, does not point to official misconduct by either of them. Would there be an energetic investigation? Definitely. But IA? Umm… I'm not so sure.

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September 1, 2011
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hm… what about all the police reports in records that were altered? who is changing them? someone must be going through everything trying to eliminate evidence, and i am wondering if montgomery pulled the files he had in his possession before they would be altered as well… or made to disappear, like the paperwork johanna beckett had in her posssesion before her murder.

 

what if…those missing files are actually the ones montgomery had???

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September 1, 2011
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thumper said:

hm… what about all the police reports in records that were altered? who is changing them? someone must be going through everything trying to eliminate evidence, and i am wondering if montgomery pulled the files he had in his possession before they would be altered as well… or made to disappear, like the paperwork johanna beckett had in her posssesion before her murder.

 

what if…those missing files are actually the ones montgomery had???

Apparently, those were altered by Montgomery – and only Castle, Ryan & Esposito know which ones they were. And they are not telling.

Hopefully we will find out about the files Roy had, what was in them and who got them.

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September 2, 2011
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The murder board with the missing 3rd man was in open sight in the precinct so Esposito's text would require more than "some creative storytelling". Saving Montgomery's reputation and their own ass at the same time would be impossible, the "arrived late" explanation simply doesn't work: the police parked an evidence in the hangar (hangar or hanger?) together with other valuable aircrafts, there had to be a CCTV system to avoid thieving or unauthorized tampering the machines. Not to mention that the IA invetigation should have started right after it happened when Beckett (but I can say Esposito, Ryan and Castle as well) were not in the state to serve hole-free, corroborating stories about what happened. The first question would be that why did he called them (not only Beckett) to a place in the middle of the night where none of them had any business at that time? A beginner investigator would rip their stories into pieces in no time, no surprise that it was not even discussed what was this story. I think it is better to leave this part of the show to the suspend of disbelief, just like the dirty bomb.

September 2, 2011
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I think this is an excellent topic.

 

This is why I want Victoria Gates to recieve the envelopes from monty. It makes perfect sense in the storyline for her to have the files and NOT alexis.

 

She could show up a facade of being cruel but we the audience know the truth. That would put a human touch to Gate's chracter. Right now she is painted as cold and cruel.

 

I know there is a theory that Alexis ends with the files and hides them. This is highly possibly, knowing her storyline in season 4. But I dont want it to happen.

Castle, we know does not end up with the files as it was confirmed by nathan in comic-con.

The only other options are alexis and the captain. And I want it to be the captain.

September 2, 2011
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halaci said:

The murder board with the missing 3rd man was in open sight in the precinct so Esposito's text would require more than "some creative storytelling". [snip] I think it is better to leave this part of the show to the suspend of disbelief, just like the dirty bomb.

I know. This is television, not real life, after all. I'm just thinking of plausible 'explanations' that could work in that universe, not ours.

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September 2, 2011
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lulu12345 said:

I think this is an excellent topic.

 

This is why I want Victoria Gates to recieve the envelopes from monty. It makes perfect sense in the storyline for her to have the files and NOT alexis.

 

She could show up a facade of being cruel but we the audience know the truth. That would put a human touch to Gate's chracter. Right now she is painted as cold and cruel.

 

I know there is a theory that Alexis ends with the files and hides them. This is highly possibly, knowing her storyline in season 4. But I dont want it to happen.

Castle, we know does not end up with the files as it was confirmed by nathan in comic-con.

The only other options are alexis and the captain. And I want it to be the captain.

i just can't see how montgomery would burden alexis with something like this. and as for gates, i don't know how montgomery would have known she would be his replacement… unless this has all been fortold? ugh… too LOST for me [Image Can Not Be Found]

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September 2, 2011
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thumper said:

lulu12345 said:

I think this is an excellent topic.

 

This is why I want Victoria Gates to recieve the envelopes from monty. It makes perfect sense in the storyline for her to have the files and NOT alexis.

 

She could show up a facade of being cruel but we the audience know the truth. That would put a human touch to Gate's chracter. Right now she is painted as cold and cruel.

 

I know there is a theory that Alexis ends with the files and hides them. This is highly possibly, knowing her storyline in season 4. But I dont want it to happen.

Castle, we know does not end up with the files as it was confirmed by nathan in comic-con.

The only other options are alexis and the captain. And I want it to be the captain.

i just can't see how montgomery would burden alexis with something like this. and as for gates, i don't know how montgomery would have known she would be his replacement… unless this has all been fortold? ugh… too LOST for me [Image Can Not Be Found]

lOLZ. No. alexis finds the package that was sent to castle and hides it from him! According to nathan, it's not castle. so these are the only two options that I can think about![Image Can Not Be Found]

But for some reason I want it to be gates. It will make for some interesting character development!

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