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What would internal affairs do about the Montgomery Shooting?
September 2, 2011
2:37 pm
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What Nathan told at CC is not canon, he teased the audience.

September 2, 2011
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Most likely Beckett will have told IA they received a lead regarding the escaped Lockwood and that is why Montgomery, herself and the always shadowing Castle would have been at the hanger, to follow up on that lead.  The ensuing gunbattle was a result of them finding Lockwood and the preceding attempt to arrest him.  That Montgomery got the jump on them and was able to kill them all, before being fatally wounded himself.

 

There's also the possibility that she told IA, Montgomery received the tip, called Beckett, gave her the info and to meet him there for back up, but the gunbattle happened before she was able to get there.

 

All of which would be true, to a certain degree.  Beckett would just leave out the part of Montgomerys confessed involvment with her mothers case or that he was the one who set the meeting up to lure Lockwood in to kill him, instead of arrest him. 

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September 4, 2011
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halaci said:

The murder board with the missing 3rd man was in open sight in the precinct so Esposito's text would require more than "some creative storytelling". Saving Montgomery's reputation and their own ass at the same time would be impossible, the "arrived late" explanation simply doesn't work: the police parked an evidence in the hangar (hangar or hanger?) together with other valuable aircrafts, there had to be a CCTV system to avoid thieving or unauthorized tampering the machines. Not to mention that the IA invetigation should have started right after it happened when Beckett (but I can say Esposito, Ryan and Castle as well) were not in the state to serve hole-free, corroborating stories about what happened. The first question would be that why did he called them (not only Beckett) to a place in the middle of the night where none of them had any business at that time? A beginner investigator would rip their stories into pieces in no time, no surprise that it was not even discussed what was this story. I think it is better to leave this part of the show to the suspend of disbelief, just like the dirty bomb.

You're forgetting one thing: Ryan told Beckett when they first found the chopper at the hangar that the hangar operator wouldn't have known it had been taken were it not for his noticing the bullet holes in the chopper's fuselage.  Doesn't that mean that there was no security camera looking at that hangar?  And regarding the police clocking in to the airfield, that would be true, but I'm sure all the security would do would be to let them in once they flash their badge and any necessary warrants.  And if that's true, then how did Lockwood and his cronies get in?

And I agree with FillKat's scenario above.  They could all easily argue that the reason they chose to meet at the hangar after hours was extra protection for Beckett, since her mom was killed and Raglan was killed right in front of her.  Then they say, Lockwood found them anyway, a gun battle ensued, and Beckett and Castle arrived too late to help Montgomery. 

I don't want to turn this into a big thing, but I really disagree with you and think the "We got there too late to help him" explanation would fly to IA.  They would go as far as to check the entrance log for the airfield in this case anyway, since Beckett's gun hadn't been fired, none of the bullets can be traced to anyone's guns except Montgomery's and Lockwood's and everything else, except as you correctly pointed out the text from Esposito which could be wiped from the phones, falls into place.  Let's just agree to disagree. 

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September 5, 2011
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Nev827 said:

Doesn't that mean that there was no security camera looking at that hangar?

Yes, it could mean – in the show. I just pointed out that after 9/11 setting up a plot which solution is based on the lack of even the minimal security measures at an airport is contrite. The original question was what could happen with them, not what will happen. A senior ranking police officer was killed by a convicted multiple murderer who escaped using serious powers and conspiracy. If anybody think that an IA investigation would stop just because the two other involved persons say they don't know anything useful about how this could happen, then they don't know how these departments work. (Among the first measures would be to track all the phone traffic of everybody on the case – text messages are on the servers of the providers too. If he suspected that Lockwood could be there, Beckett was the last person to bring there as she was the target. If he just wanted to investigate something personally [why?] then how Lockwood new about it? Saying that it was a pure coincidence would result the appointment of a new IA committee as the first one would die from laughing.)

I really don't want to dissect this any further as there are huge holes in the plot and belive me, neither Castle, nor Beckett could walk away from a situation like this IRL. But this is a show and the goal of this scenario was not to be accurate but to heighten the emotions.

September 5, 2011
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halaci said:

 But this is a show and the goal of this scenario was not to be accurate but to heighten the emotions.

Agreed.  It's entertainment, not reality.  I still disagree, but it sounds like we should move on since neither of us will change their mind. 

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October 4, 2011
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From what I gathered, this was not a major airport. This was a general aviation place. These places don't have fancy security, they feature rent a cops and I don't even believe they have CCTV cameras. There would be just too much nothing doing to make it worthwhile.

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October 4, 2011
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Baruch said:

From what I gathered, this was not a major airport. This was a general aviation place. These places don't have fancy security, they feature rent a cops and I don't even believe they have CCTV cameras. There would be just too much nothing doing to make it worthwhile.

Like Hillsboro or Vancouver, right?

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October 4, 2011
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Good point Baruch.  If it was a private airport, it's likely they have a private security firm and those folks aren't always the most professional.  Mind you some firms are, but not all, especially when the airport probably hired the firm that submitted the lowest bid.  Security cameras may be posted, but not necessarily monitored 24-7. 

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October 5, 2011
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He-Touches-Things said:

Baruch said:

From what I gathered, this was not a major airport. This was a general aviation place. These places don't have fancy security, they feature rent a cops and I don't even believe they have CCTV cameras. There would be just too much nothing doing to make it worthwhile.

Like Hillsboro or Vancouver, right?

Vancouver doesn't have any aircraft there. It is part of the museum complex. I don't believe it even has a fence there.
Hillsboro has a 10 foot fence all around it, but that is because there is a middle school two blocks away. Hillsboro is growing up around it. Security is those 4 digit code boxes.
I would imagine that NYC area would be a bit more intense than that, but only because it is theNYC area.

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October 5, 2011
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If they had security cameras set up that were working it would have come up earlier in the ep so I think it's safe to assume there was no operational security at the time – and let's face it the bad guys had planned to use that place, perfectly within their means to disable any security in advance

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October 5, 2011
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I wonder whether there is going to be an investigation on Montgomery's death at some point. There should be, IMO. How do you think? 

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October 29, 2011
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i hope that they will do something about it but without incriminating any of the 4  just reopen that case but without those guys hurting kate once again and speeking of which does anybody know who's that man that roy send those files to?? cuz im really curious how this investigation will turn out to be, but probably they will get "the dragon" when the whole serial will end with "kate's wall" inside her head completely gone and rick and her finally being together. if anyone knows who's the man that received those files from roy pls tell me cuz im really curious

October 29, 2011
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rickcastle said:

… if anyone knows who's the man that received those files from roy pls tell me cuz im really curious

Mr. Smith, someone who "owes his life to" Captain Montgomery. Beyond that, he's a mystery. 

October 30, 2011
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jrabbit said:

rickcastle said:

… if anyone knows who's the man that received those files from roy pls tell me cuz im really curious

Mr. Smith, someone who "owes his life to" Captain Montgomery. Beyond that, he's a mystery. 

 tnx, i hope he'll help kate and the team solve this case not the guy behind all the killings.

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