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12:48 pm
January 27, 2011
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Is Castle a detective series at it's core or is the relationship between Castle and Beckett the core of the show?
I ask because, if it is the later then do you think it will be the end of the show if they do admit their attraction to each other? I offer into evidence the case of Moonlighting, which simply fell apart once the relationship was real, and then we have The Adventures of Lois & Clark, which, in my opinion fell apart because once they got together, it was simply too smushy.
Can a TV show suvive if they change that central balance? Now a raft of shows that I know are bucking the trend include Chuck, Psych and Eureka, which have dared to cross the line with the central will they / won't they. Chuck and Sarah have gone all out smushy, on bended knee, fingers down throats. While Shawn and Juliet in Psych have supposed to be having a relationship, but the show does not really show it, it's hidden and not explored, and so the show is carrying on with the central theme of fake psychic detective, which for me is criminal waste of material. Same with Carter and Allison from Eureka are similarly underused in the show.
So the question is should Castle and Beckett "come out" at all, and if they did, should it be star crossed lovers, or a bit rocky with friction? It's not as if they can do it on the quiet.
BUT if they do, will it mark the beginning of the end for the show?
I personally would like them to get it on, but then investigate the pitfalls. i have a feeling that Beckett will bolt at the slightest sign of trouble.
Can anyone point out a show that has successfully gone from will they / won't they to "yes they have!" and not ended by the end of that season? Can the viewing public not accept romantic happiness with lead TV characters?
Your thoughts….?
1:04 pm
October 27, 2010
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I think the key to a good show is "balance". If they can continue to utilize the amazing supporting cast and write interesting stories their relationship will work.
1:07 pm
April 28, 2010
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Yes the will, yes they should.
Yes their relationship is as much a part of the show as the cases!
The writters will handle it the way they have handles the characters so far. They will develope the characters and the relationship in a way that is consistant with whats been going on to this point. You'll get plenty of case stuff, peripheral character development and subplots along with the C&B relationship.
It won't be all smooth sailing for C&B becasue of the people that they are. Even once Josh is out of the picture I don't see them jumping into a relationship becasue their is too much at stake for each of them. I see them easing their way into it and even once they verbalize that they are going to try to be together I think they will be cautious and carefull. I actually see them both being protective of what they are trying to build together as well as of themselves.
1:12 pm
April 15, 2010
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Alie said:
I think the key to a good show is "balance". If they can continue to utilize the amazing supporting cast and write interesting stories their relationship will work.
I 100% agree! Also, as long as the relationship does not become the central focus of the show and remains a subplot like it is now, I see no reason in the world why a castle Beckett relationship couldn't work.
1:19 pm
October 27, 2010
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DramaWonder said:
Alie said:
I think the key to a good show is "balance". If they can continue to utilize the amazing supporting cast and write interesting stories their relationship will work.
I 100% agree! Also, as long as the relationship does not become the central focus of the show and remains a subplot like it is now, I see no reason in the world why a castle Beckett relationship couldn't work.
I agree, as long as the show doesn't turn into Castle/Beckett mushy, love fest than I see no reason why it can't work. Their relationship and interaction will not even change much when they do take that step. It's when characters start acting completely OOC that it will suffer. For example, I don't see Beckett suddenly wanting to sneak off to the break room to make-out. That would be out of character. When she is working, she is working. Obviously that doesn't mean there won't be glances and a lil flirting, but lovy dovey doesn't seem to fit her bill AT WORK. When they are alone than whatever.
1:35 pm
October 22, 2009
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Of course they should! If the humour stays, they (we) have nothing to worry about. 
1:42 pm
February 3, 2011
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Yes to both. I am a sucker for reltionships based shows, so my views might seema little biased. But, the relationship between the two central characters is one of the major reasons why I follow Castle and other shows like Bones (Although that is probably the worst example in recent Tv history on how not to handle relationships) and Chuck.
Their are a lot of serialized detective shows out there in the form of NCIS, CSI, CM and many more. I look for light hearted entertainment in shows and am not interested in learning the intricacies or jargons of police/law/medical methodologies. Of course, any relationship based show needs to have a plot/context in place for the characters to interact and the relationships to make sense. Hence the detective work in Bones and Castle and the spy stuff in Chuck (Just examples). But without the focus on the relationship, these shows will lose their appeal. Of course, that is just my opinion.
And since you brought "Moonlight" into the debate, I have never been able to understand why most Tv writers and executives look to hide behind the apparent failure of one show as the excuse for not wanting to explore the "seemingly forbidden land" of getting the main couple together. (Not in an outright clear manner). I don't blame them completely though, because the spicy ST between the characters is more appealing for some reason (and may be the ratings point towards that as well esp in the recent past) to the casual viewers of a show. So you can delay the "getting together" for quite some time, fearing you would lose the casual viewers and perhaps the non-shippers once you do that. I remember series such as "JAG" "X-Files" and "Numb3rs" where the same was delayed almost till the end of the series.
Showing the lead pair as a real couple can work, because their is a lot that goes on in the lives of a "pair in a relationship" as well. Their day to day interactions, the problems, the disagreements, the compromises and of course the love and the physical aspect of the relationship. All it needs is good writers to make the journey exciting and pleasant for the viewers. (Although you could also argue about how long can the writers continue a feasible and acceptable storyline around those issues and what do they do once the relationship has apparently run its course and their is a need to break up the couple)
I should add here though that I feel the writers of Castle have the ability to break away from the prevalent norm. Although, if they try and delay it, I wouldn't blame them either because I feel they will do a great job either way.
3:07 pm
March 25, 2010
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A long time ago in a TV land far far away, there was Scarecrow and Mrs. King. And they eventually got together, but I don't remember if the series was finished in that season or not. I remember really liking the show – I am NOT a 'shipper and most definitely was not back then and I can remember many episodes "after" that were very good.
I think that part of the problem is that the shows have mostly run their course and TPTB (showrunner, writers, producers, network exec's) use the hooking up of the characters as a last ditch effort to wring a few more episodes out of the show.
So I believe that Timing is Everything!!
Do Not Wait until you've already used up all of your good ideas. Balance. There was the "before" time, there's the "trying to figure this out and get together" time and the "really getting together" time. Balance.
Castle has had many episodes that would be just as good if Beckett and Castle were a couple – "He's Dead, She's Dead", "Wrapped Up In Death", and since all real relationships have issues, the next episode on Valentines day looks like (from the previews) that it would work with them as a couple and having a real knockdown, drag out fight – real stuff.
3:26 pm
January 15, 2010
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Well, I'm always a sucker for this topic, so I will weigh in as well. Will they? It remains to be seen, of course, but recent indications are that the answer is yes based on Andrew Marlowe's recent interviews. Should they? Absolutely.
Castle and Beckett and their relationship is central to the show of course…it's certainly a dramedy or a romantic comedy set within the framework of a detective show for me. But the bulk of each show centers around Castle and Beckett's interactions related to the case of the week (sometimes impacting their personal relationship), and I wouldn't expect that to change. As others have said, if the focus remains on their interactions within the murder cases, and includes strong involvement of Ryan, Esposito, Lanie, and Montgomery (with Martha and Alexis involved in the B plots), there shouldn't be some major shift. There have been so many comments on the boards (especially as of late) that the interactions Castle and Beckett are having are ones that they would have even if they were in a romantic relationship. If the writers stay true to what we know of the characters and continue to reveal new things about them, their basic areas of synchronicity (and those of friction) will remain.
There needs to be some happy medium achieved in terms of the timing and the follow-up to bringing them together in a romantic relationship, however. In my opinion, Moonlighting had great timing in bringing together David and Maddie, but circumstances with the actors/crew (pregnancy, writers strike, movie deals) led to a large chunk of time in which the 2 characters were not together on screen after hooking up…it would be like Castle and Beckett getting together and then Beckett freaking out about the relationship and leaving for 4 months to join a special task force and only talking to Castle a few times on the phone. THAT killed the show. And when they were finally able to get the actors back on screen together, the writers tried to recreate the tension between David and Maddie with every manner of ridiculous storyline. Would most of us continue to watch Castle if Beckett married a stranger she met on a train, was pregnant with a baby from an unknown father and then had a miscarriage…and later, Castle decided to date one of Beckett's cousins because too many bad circumstances had ruined the "magic"? Poor writing was the final nail in the Moonlighting coffin, and I certainly cannot see the Castle team going anywhere near that kind of debacle.
The other side of the equation is dragging it out forever in an attempt to maintain the tension and keep viewers coming back. Bones is the prime current example…and although current ratings have been given a boost by American Idol, overall the ratings had dipped a bit before that. The following interview seems to highlight Hart Hanson's plans for that relationship after 6 years: http://www.tvline.com/2011/02/…..on-a-limb/ I am a regular viewer, but no longer invested in Booth/Brennan, so the interview does not bother me. But many loyal fans seem extemely frustrated, as evidenced by the comments after this article on yesterday's episode: http://www.givememyremote.com/…..from-here/ I think you very much run the risk of damaging a show by coming up with contrived plots to keep your leads apart…eventually the characters are written to act in ways that don't make sense or the chemistry between them is affected.
I don't know that there are any great examples of shows that have done this well. There are shows that started out with a couple together and were able to keep the dynamic interesting…there have been shows that brought a couple together and have continued to do well but the couple was part of a larger ensemble (like Jim and Pam on The Office)…there have been shows that always had borderline ratings and the coupling really had no effect (like Chuck).
I think Castle has done great so far, and it seems like they plan to take their time getting Castle and Beckett into a romantic relationship, but not necessarily another 2 or 3 seasons. And it seems like AM has a plan for storytelling on the other side. I am excited about that. I think the Castle team has the potential (with the strength of the chemistry, acting, and writing) to be THE example of doing a will they/won't they relationship the right way. I think the key will be keeping true to the characters, keeping the characters evolving, interesting cases, development of the supporting characters, and keeping it edgy, unexpected, and sexy without too much "mush" (as much as I now enjoy those sweet scenes between them). AM has said that a relationship between Castle and Beckett wouldn't mean a "happily ever after" so I fully expect to see them deal with conflict and challenges, and I'm excited about that too (as long as it doesn't become a revolving door of break-ups and side relationships like a Grey's Anatomy). Castle and Beckett have been created as characters with flaws, baggage, relationship failures, and vulnerabilities…they also haven't been the greatest communicators with each other, for all their talents in "reading" people. Those traits will certainly lead to a wealth of challenge within a romantic relationship….so bring it on! Who wouldn't want to watch a couple with tremendous chemistry navigate the challenges of a relationship and ultimately continue to support and be there for each other? If viewers are coming back week after week, then they enjoy the fun and drama of the show and are invested in the characters…I can't see most showing up just to see if Castle and Beckett are getting between the sheets that week.
Sorry! 
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3:46 pm
November 23, 2010
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dmcw I agree with everything you said, and at the risk of oversimplifying it they need to be together because it appears they were written that way from the beginning. From the pilot they were totally into each other and while it may have been superficial in the beginning it was a foundation to continue bringing them together. From this guy's perspective, I dont generally care if the stars of the show hook up, but this show seemed to be created to that is does happen as a subplot to everything else.
8:44 am
January 15, 2010
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A recent article on the topic…Castle is mentioned several times:
http://www.examiner.com/tv-in-…..-next-step
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9:45 am
April 7, 2010
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Noblelox said:
Is Castle a detective series at it's core or is the relationship between Castle and Beckett the core of the show?
I ask because, if it is the later then do you think it will be the end of the show if they do admit their attraction to each other? I offer into evidence the case of Moonlighting, which simply fell apart once the relationship was real, and then we have The Adventures of Lois & Clark, which, in my opinion fell apart because once they got together, it was simply too smushy.
Lotta awesome responses in this thread but I wanted to talk about this point in particular. I agree Lois and Clark became awful (it was one of my favourite shows back in the 90s!) but I'd argue that a lot of that was due to horrifically bad writing (frog eating clones?? Proposing after like 3 dates together??) and bad input by the new merger of Disney/ABC at the time. Still, they essentially neutered Lois beyond recognition. They took an amazing, kick-butt, strong woman and turned her into…I don't even know. Not to say that people don't change in relationships, or that they can't have different aspects of their personality that are highlighted when they are in love, but I hated what they did to her. It is common to do that with characters unfortunately, it's as if TV writers think we want to see sappy crap, when instead we want to see a good relationship (which may involve a bit of sweetness of course, just not overwhelmingly so).
I thought Jim and Pam from the Office would be a good example of putting a couple together but I don't know if what the writers did to them either would be a good way to go – though I blame writing and the direction of that show itself as a cause of my lessened interest. That said, I think putting a couple together can be done if they do it realistically. It's tricky for sure and I certainly don't envy the writers for having to do it! But I do agree with a lot of the comments here that balance is so, so essential. I love how the Castle crew are approaching it so far with slow growth so I remain hopeful for now. As long as they remain true to who Castle and Beckett are, still have them argue and annoy each other, even in a relationship, I think it could be awesome.
9:55 am
November 1, 2010
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we all know eventually castle and beckett will get together . but the important question is when?
we would all love to see them together. but i think there is no need to rush things.
it's great to see how they struggle to understand their feelings and to express it is even more harder.
the character development is so great and it is the best aspect of castle.
i know eventually they will get together but i wanaa enjoy the journey
after all castle said" the fun is in the journey " and i am ready to take and enjoy it 
10:07 am
June 3, 2009
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YES to both.
As for Moonlightning… there were completely different and much more important reasons which made that show dead, not the relationshiop becoming real. Read this article – http://www.npr.org/blogs/monke…..nli_1.html
and I'm pretty sure that you'll agree with it's authors. BTW, using that particular show as an excuse is the worst idea ever.
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10:11 am
July 26, 2010
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I too think that it's a matter of timing. Don't do it too quickly, but don't drag it out too long. One of my favorite shows, "Alias" did it in season 2, and I think it was too soon. Another one of my favorites, the "X-Files" dragged it out for 8 seasons, out of 9 seasons. And when it finally happened, I couldn't care less anymore. The key is to find a good middle ground. I wouldn't mind to wait until mid-season 4 or end of season 4. But I think season 5 is more likely.
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