For anyone who wants to discuss Ep. 4.14 without any spoilers beyond the broadcast promos. W/O sneak peeks or plot give-aways from spoiler sites.

I've seen the U.S. and Canadian promos…

jarhead said:

I haven't seen anything about this episode but I think I have an idea of what this episode is about "thanks to" a collage pic I have seen somewhere (with B/C wearing something similar to the season 4 promo pic) and a tweet I've accidentally read this morning (about a fairytale episode)… so, with that little piece of information I can speculate that this episode is a dream, probably Castle's, or an imaginative recreation of a murder that toke place in the 40's or the recreation of the story Castle is reading in a mistery book reading event…

 

Maybe in the "dream" Castle is a PI trying to solve a case and Beckett is the main suspect and probably the murderer. I imagine her working at a tasteful club… don't ask me why…

 

Surely nothing of what I have said above makes any sense…

Hi, Jarhead! What you wrote makes a great deal of sense. How much of a "purist" do you wish to be? The promos don't give away very much outside the general plot. I could confirm or deny whether you are on the right track with the little we do 'officially' know.

As I've stated on another thread, I'm expecting this "blast from the past" to have an impact on Rick & Kate's relationship in the present.

jarhead said:

He-Touches-Things said:

jarhead said:

I haven't seen anything about this episode but I think I have an idea of what this episode is about "thanks to" a collage pic I have seen somewhere (with B/C wearing something similar to the season 4 promo pic) and a tweet I've accidentally read this morning (about a fairytale episode)… so, with that little piece of information I can speculate that this episode is a dream, probably Castle's, or an imaginative recreation of a murder that toke place in the 40's or the recreation of the story Castle is reading in a mistery book reading event…

 

Maybe in the "dream" Castle is a PI trying to solve a case and Beckett is the main suspect and probably the murderer. I imagine her working at a tasteful club… don't ask me why…

 

Surely nothing of what I have said above makes any sense…

Hi, Jarhead! What you wrote makes a great deal of sense. How much of a "purist" do you wish to be? The promos don't give away very much outside the general plot. I could confirm or deny whether you are on the right track with the little we do 'officially' know.

As I've stated on another thread, I'm expecting this "blast from the past" to have an impact on Rick & Kate's relationship in the present.

 

Normally the least I know about an episode the better but you are tempting me, specially with your last coment about having an impact in the present…  OK, just let me know if I'm on the right track… just right or wrong!

What we know from the broadcast promos: "Castle's … imaginative recreation of a murder that took place in the 40's". Anything I write beyond that is purely speculation.

waldkind said:

I found it interesting that in the Canadian promo Beckett seems to be well aware of Castle's "dream", I never expected that.

I wonder if his dream will help him solving the case… probably yes, maybe he'll "find out" in his dream that the gangster's moll fell in love with the PI and that this is somehow connected to the murder… it would be fun if he had to explain this theory to Kate

I don't think it will have an impact on their relationship, though. I mean, he already knows that he's crazy about her and IMO he won't make any moves until he can share his secret with her.

How much time do you think the Noir part will have? Will he have one, long dream or several short ones?

I'm thinking that his story-building will be essential to solving the current case. That's what saved Agent Shaw in Boom!. He does have a vivid and active imagination, but he also knows his story-building cannot be pure fantasy – it has to 'ring true'. We have seen him make wild conjectures, but that's more like he is throwing ideas out there for their entertainment value, but he later settles down into genuine story plotting. One that comes to mind (from Kill the Messenger) is his telling Capt. Roy that "When I'm writing a story, the beginning is always the hardest. But if you nail that, the rest of it all falls into place… This is a mystery, and all mysteries are the same. Motive, opportunity, coverup, conscience… These murders today were to cover up one ten years ago. That's where your leads are going to be. C'mon Captain, wha'd'ya say? Let's take a trip down memory lane."

Whether the story is in one solid block, or in several installments, I have no idea. But I'd guess it will be broken up for Rick to share his 'developments' with the team, and possibly gain new information to incorporate in his recreation of the past.

PrettyFloralBonnet said:

I have watched the official US preview and seen the still shots (could not resist the clothes!), but am trying to resist all written spoilers, clips, etc from here on out.  I'm also trying to resist the Canadian preview, as it sounds like it may be a little different or give more info.

I've unsubscribed from the other 4.14 Pre-episode thread, and so far I have been successful in staying away from significant spoilers in the last week before each of the last several episodes. Most of the tidbits that are released earlier than that haven't really given away all that much. Although, I should have avoided the publicity photos, for the way a couple of the characters are dressed. I think I will stay away from them in the future.

Once you start exercising your resistance to temptation, it starts to get easier to do. But I will still look at the broadcast promos and the occasional long-range tidbit.

waldkind said:

I don't think it will have an impact on their relationship, though. I mean, he already knows that he's crazy about her and IMO he won't make any moves until he can share his secret with her.

Care to make it 'interesting'?

He-Touches-Things said:

waldkind said:

I found it interesting that in the Canadian promo Beckett seems to be well aware of Castle's "dream", I never expected that.

I wonder if his dream will help him solving the case… probably yes, maybe he'll "find out" in his dream that the gangster's moll fell in love with the PI and that this is somehow connected to the murder… it would be fun if he had to explain this theory to Kate

I don't think it will have an impact on their relationship, though. I mean, he already knows that he's crazy about her and IMO he won't make any moves until he can share his secret with her.

How much time do you think the Noir part will have? Will he have one, long dream or several short ones?

I'm thinking that his story-building will be essential to solving the current case. That's what saved Agent Shaw in Boom!. He does have a vivid and active imagination, but he also knows his story-building cannot be pure fantasy – it has to 'ring true'. We have seen him make wild conjectures, but that's more like he is throwing ideas out there for their entertainment value, but he later settles down into genuine story plotting. One that comes to mind (from Kill the Messenger) is his telling Capt. Roy that "When I'm writing a story, the beginning is always the hardest. But if you nail that, the rest of it all falls into place… This is a mystery, and all mysteries are the same. Motive, opportunity, coverup, conscience… These murders today were to cover up one ten years ago. That's where your leads are going to be. C'mon Captain, wha'd'ya say? Let's take a trip down memory lane."

Whether the story is in one solid block, or in several installments, I have no idea. But I'd guess it will be broken up for Rick to share his 'developments' with the team, and possibly gain new information to incorporate in his recreation of the past.

I'm going to hang here in the no spoliers thread until the episode airs as well.  They tend to release the most revealing stuff over the weekend before the episode. 

I think we definitely know a few things:

1) from the episode description we know they are working a present day crime and get a hint that it may have some relation to a 40's cold case.

2) We know who some of the noir characters are going to be and that the Castle and Beckett versions are going to have a romantic connection… all from the US promo.

3) We know that the show is going to be both present day and noir (hopefully a majority noir), since it has to start and end with the present day crime. 

4) The rest of the team has to know about Castle's "daydream" since him figuring out the old crime is related to them solving the present crime. 

For me the interesting "unknowns" about this episode are:

1) What exactly is the present day crime and how is it connected to the 40s situation?

2) Is anyone else besides Castle involved in "creating" the daydream/fantasy/story of the noir parts

3) How does Beckett react to the way her and Castle are represented in the noir "daydream"