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Ep 4:15 - Pre Episode Discussion
January 27, 2012
11:42 am
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Alie said:

little eve said:

Guys, I don't know if this has been posted yet, but have you seen the book descriptions on the Richard Castle webpage? I know we've talked about the character Clara Strike in the comic book, but check this out:

http://www.richardcastle.net/b…..oks?page=3

Look at all the mentions of Clara Strike…Kate would have read all of those and then to stand in front of the woman who inspired the character? Interesting.

Should this be in a spoiler bar? Been her so long, still not sure, lol!

My my friends just south of the border would say, "muy interesteste". Being as Beckett is such a big Castle fan you'd think she would catch on to this pretty fast. However, it's pretty clear once you step back and compare the Derrick Storm synopises to the Nikki Heat synopisses that Castle has a very different relationship with Beckett.

 

Beckett is a superfan… she has read everything Castle has written and is a premium member of his website.  She will definitely pick up on the book character connection if it is not addressed by Castle when they first meet. 

You know, I bet Beckett went back and reread all the Nikki Heat books after she was shot and Castle said ILY. Wonder what she saw different after she knew for sure he loved her.  Smile

January 27, 2012
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RickNotCastle said:

Alie said:

little eve said:

Guys, I don't know if this has been posted yet, but have you seen the book descriptions on the Richard Castle webpage? I know we've talked about the character Clara Strike in the comic book, but check this out:

http://www.richardcastle.net/b…..oks?page=3

Look at all the mentions of Clara Strike…Kate would have read all of those and then to stand in front of the woman who inspired the character? Interesting.

Should this be in a spoiler bar? Been her so long, still not sure, lol!

My my friends just south of the border would say, "muy interesteste". Being as Beckett is such a big Castle fan you'd think she would catch on to this pretty fast. However, it's pretty clear once you step back and compare the Derrick Storm synopises to the Nikki Heat synopisses that Castle has a very different relationship with Beckett.

 

Beckett is a superfan… she has read everything Castle has written and is a premium member of his website.  She will definitely pick up on the book character connection if it is not addressed by Castle when they first meet. 

You know, I bet Beckett went back and reread all the Nikki Heat books after she was shot and Castle said ILY. Wonder what she saw different after she knew for sure he loved her.  Smile

Especially "Heat Rises". If she make's the Clara Strike connection before Castle mentions it I wonder how, or if, she brings it up. I'd love for them to show her in her apartment flipping through is old books.  Or she could double check with Ryan since it seems like he is also a Castle superfan.Laugh 

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January 27, 2012
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RickNotCastle said:

It would be great if Beckett lost her composure for a second and did a jealous girlfriend thing like step closer to Castle and take his hand when the "other" woman started flirting with her man. 

 

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I really enjoyed Jennifer Beals in Chicago Code. That series should not have been cancelled. However, if Beckett doesn't get her act together soon, maybe Castle could just move on to the CIA, and hook up with Jennifer. (No, please don't hit me….) Laugh

On one of the pics she already looks kind of peeved, lol. It would be great if we saw a more mature, yet still, slightly jealous Kate. Nothing like in EotB, because I think now she is a bit more secure plus I think Rick has made it clear by his behavior that he will stick with her("for now"). But still little jealous comment, head move, anything. I would love it.

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January 27, 2012
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In a way yet another muse of Castle that Kate gets jealous of doesn't sound appealing to me. I'd more like to have something different this time. Like the muse lost interest or because of her work in the CIA had disappear and ditched Castle. So Castle being hurt and in despair looked for a 'replacement' and ended up marrying Gina.
That would be a nice way to get some more depth of the Castle character and give us an insight to his darker side. With Castle reliving those experiences Kate could see him being vulnerable and relate to herself in some way.

January 27, 2012
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grapes said:

In a way yet another muse of Castle that Kate gets jealous of doesn't sound appealing to me. I'd more like to have something different this time. Like the muse lost interest or because of her work in the CIA had disappear and ditched Castle. So Castle being hurt and in despair looked for a 'replacement' and ended up marrying Gina.
That would be a nice way to get some more depth of the Castle character and give us an insight to his darker side. With Castle reliving those experiences Kate could see him being vulnerable and relate to herself in some way.

Are you talking about Kyra? I'm not sure you can put those two in the same category.

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grapes said:

In a way yet another muse of Castle that Kate gets jealous of doesn't sound appealing to me. I'd more like to have something different this time. Like the muse lost interest or because of her work in the CIA had disappear and ditched Castle. So Castle being hurt and in despair looked for a 'replacement' and ended up marrying Gina.
That would be a nice way to get some more depth of the Castle character and give us an insight to his darker side. With Castle reliving those experiences Kate could see him being vulnerable and relate to herself in some way.

I agree with you, but one doesn't exclude the other… Wave I hope to get more depth on Castle here as well. That doesn't mean he cannot tease Beckett a bit with how he met the CIA lady. It doesn't have to be a scene just, a moment. You know, how he tends to play with her a bit also in the wedding episode and how he talks about his date? Laugh

Anyway, I agree in that this could be a good moment for the writers to introduce the topic of Castle having been hurt. Who knows? Maybe CIA lady had to lie to him for a reason and he found out and tells Kate how he felt about that…

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January 28, 2012
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Was this casting info posted yet? Anyway…just in case.

 

http://www.wetpaint.com/castle…..rt-episode

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January 28, 2012
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Quick guess….he's the rogue agent they're looking for.

January 28, 2012
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little eve said:

grapes said:

In a way yet another muse of Castle that Kate gets jealous of doesn't sound appealing to me. I'd more like to have something different this time. Like the muse lost interest or because of her work in the CIA had disappear and ditched Castle. So Castle being hurt and in despair looked for a 'replacement' and ended up marrying Gina.
That would be a nice way to get some more depth of the Castle character and give us an insight to his darker side. With Castle reliving those experiences Kate could see him being vulnerable and relate to herself in some way.

I agree with you, but one doesn't exclude the other… Wave I hope to get more depth on Castle here as well. That doesn't mean he cannot tease Beckett a bit with how he met the CIA lady. It doesn't have to be a scene just, a moment. You know, how he tends to play with her a bit also in the wedding episode and how he talks about his date? Laugh

Anyway, I agree in that this could be a good moment for the writers to introduce the topic of Castle having been hurt. Who knows? Maybe CIA lady had to lie to him for a reason and he found out and tells Kate how he felt about that…

And maybe when he tells her about it and how much it hurt him, it could make her think about when she lied to him and told him she didn't remember the ILY and that could lead to her secret coming out because it's kind of obvious that it'll be in this episode and I'd rather she tells him the truth because she wants him to know, I don't want it to happen by accident, although it'll be very interesting to watch but Castle would be much more hurt and heartbroken if it happened like that and he could feel that she was never planning to tell him about it.

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January 29, 2012
5:22 am
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He-Touches-Things said:

grapes said:

ACF said:

We have no idea what may be going on, but my (too fertile probably) imagination can fill in plenty of details to make this wait feel real.    The difficulty comes when you start to believe that there is only one way a pair of grown adults could possibly navigate these waters, when you begin to believe that the behavior is not valid because "It's not what I would do."   Once I did my little trip into the minds of these two, I found that I believe this behavior is completely in character with these characters.  It makes sense… to me.

That's true. With little given information you automatically start to use your own imagination which is nice. But like Fitch mentioned before the developing of characters seems to be contradicted throughout several episodes.

Castle being pretty much an impulsive go-getter shows a heck of a lot patience when it comes to waiting for the love of his life. Before he showed he wanted to go to great lengths to help a friend but with Kate he has no trouble being passive? You at least could have expected some scene that shows his frustrations about it.

Kate being a smart and strong woman that owns the interrogation room lacking the balls to come clean with Castle? Being so rational during her job is contradicting how irrational she deals with her mental problems. She'd be schizophrenic to be able to handle it.

Together they work like a team that finish each others sentences but cannot talk about their relationship. That is intentionally kept as vague as possible in order to keep them from having a relationship as BF/GF.

It's not so much about the stalling itself but about presenting the outset why they are stalling. The reasoning why isn't so much believable if you compare it with the real world.
Then again I can respect anyone who disagrees with that.

These are what makes the developing relationship so believable for me. For many people, it is easy to project confidence and command of the situation, when they have no emotional stake in it, but become completely powerless when they do. This may not be true for everyone, but it is for a lot of people (myself included).

Exactly, H-T-T! Include me, too. And I know people (mostly women) who deal with the same problem. Really good at the job, strong and really smart, mostly highly educated, but when it comes to the private life and emotional issues- totally different situation… Let`s say it`s complex, but there`s no need to be schizophrenic to be able to handle that… ;-)

So, the whole development, their behavior, especially Kates, makes complete sense to me.

 

Yep, you can include me there, too.

I`ve been told many times by others that they see me as strong (I myself don`t see it like that) and confident (this I am). But the confidence they grant me is always lacking in big parts when it comes to emotional issues. I try to develop but it happens only in small steps so I can relate to Kate`s "small baby steps".

And all I can say to the topic here:

I trust AM. And he has a reason there why he included Sophia to the story line of this episode. But I think he wouldn`t go that "jealousy" walk again, just after a few aired episodes between these stories. Maybe Sophia is just the partner of Agent Grey (in this episode of this con-man pretending to be on a polar-expedition) and that Rick has had just a good time with both of them. Only that this time Agent Grey is on a TAD mission and can`t be around. Maybe it was then when he learned morse code or all the other things of being a spy Smile. Remember, he grew up being fascinated with "a certain british spy"? Maybe she is his "CIA-source" after all. She just couldn`t be there as Agent Grey showed up (in the con-episode). And it doesn`t matter with how many "maybe`s" I just come up with. I think Andrew will surprise us. There could be a "tiger" in that story, too.

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January 30, 2012
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So, I was thinking, since we've all pretty much concluded that this will be the episode where Beckett's secret comes out, does anyone expect her to return his "I love you" right away? Or more like a general acknowledgement, that yes, she heard what he said, but needed some time to process everything that was going on? Not that that's a valid excuse for lying to his face about it…

 

What if at the end of this episode Castle gets shot, but won't be as close to death like Beckett did in "Knockout" making it a cliffhanger (but not really, because he's the central character ;/) like they've done with previous seasons? Beckett and everyone won't know how badly until the second part, though. So, they do a parallel to last season's finale, but this time it's Beckett confessing her love and Castle still conscious enough to hear it. Then, that's when they lay things out in the open-Castle confronts her about it, Beckett apologizes. Some awkwardness ensue. CIA gal feels the tension, tries to address it with one of them like Shaw did and parts with some with words of advice. Case over. 

 

Some observations with the Annual Two-Part Episodes:

season 2: Pt. 1-Beckett's in danger; Pt.2-they bunk together briefly, episode ends happy.

season 3: Pt. 1-They're both in danger; Pt. 2-they get saved, but leave separately, episode ends sadly (for them, but hooray for NYC!)- reminiscent of season 2 finale.

season 4: ???

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January 30, 2012
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So, I was thinking, since we've all pretty much concluded that this will be the episode where  …..

oh… Here we go again! Will we never learn? How grumpy are people going to get if their 'conclusions' once again prove false?

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Admin said:

So, I was thinking, since we've all pretty much concluded that this will be the episode where  …..

oh… Here we go again! Will we never learn? How grumpy are people going to get if their 'conclusions' once again prove false?

People will follow their hearts and leap to the conclusion that satisfies their longing for a happy-ever-after – even if a contrary pattern has been set – and reset – and reset.  The wished for outcome will be sprung when it's most unexpected.  I think everyone is following Castle's  philosophy on this – "Law of averages demands that I'll be right sometime."  ROFL

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January 30, 2012
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Admin said:

So, I was thinking, since we've all pretty much concluded that this will be the episode where  …..

oh… Here we go again! Will we never learn? How grumpy are people going to get if their 'conclusions' once again prove false?

As they almost certainly will.  This pre episode discussion has gotten clear off the rails, into the cornfield, and hasn't slowed down.  It's fun, but one shouldn't make the mistake of believing any of it will happen other than by coincidence. 

I'm just hoping for a good crime story or pulse raising evil conspiracy, something tha tmakes the two parter into a week of gasping inbetween the episodes.  But I'm not looking for much else.  Heck, last year he saved the whole city and got what, a hug, and a beer (which he probably bought)?  Didn't even become a celebrety in the police department?  Face on every front page?  (Trust me, in real life that would happen – every politician on the planet would want a photo-op with them).  At this rate he'd have to rid the Afganistan government of corruption and settle the rivalries in the middle east just for a kiss on the cheek.  Think that will happen?  Me either.

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January 30, 2012
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Fitch said:

Admin said:

So, I was thinking, since we've all pretty much concluded that this will be the episode where  …..

oh… Here we go again! Will we never learn? How grumpy are people going to get if their 'conclusions' once again prove false?

As they almost certainly will.  This pre episode discussion has gotten clear off the rails, into the cornfield, and hasn't slowed down.  It's fun, but one shouldn't make the mistake of believing any of it will happen other than by coincidence. 

I'm just hoping for a good crime story or pulse raising evil conspiracy, something tha tmakes the two parter into a week of gasping inbetween the episodes.  But I'm not looking for much else.  Heck, last year he saved the whole city and got what, a hug, and a beer (which he probably bought)?  Didn't even become a celebrety in the police department?  Face on every front page?  (Trust me, in real life that would happen – every politician on the planet would want a photo-op with them).  At this rate he'd have to rid the Afganistan government of corruption and settle the rivalries in the middle east just for a kiss on the cheek.  Think that will happen?  Me either.

Well they could make up agent purple or magenta. Castle could foil the man who stole the  chemical formula to save planet earth. Doesn't really matter does it as long as it's fun to watch. 

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