The first, best, most accurate and only Castle fan site that allows you to interact with the Castle cast & crew

Symbolism: white coffee cake In episode 12 Forums

Who's in Chat? [Chat Now]

 
You must be logged in to post Login Register


Register? | Lost Your Password?

Search Forums:


 






Minimum search word length is 4 characters – Maximum search word length is 84 characters
Wildcard Usage:
*  matches any number of characters    %  matches exactly one character

Symbolism: white coffee cake In episode 12

No Tags
UserPost

5:39 pm
January 15, 2010


Bren Williams/Lady Brenlis

United States

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 167

What? Shock' class='wp-smiley' /> Beckett's wearing white again? Doh Very interesting, thanks for the news.

For Sucker Punch, I've decided the photos were enough of a spoiler, so I'm avoiding all the sneak peeks. (But I'm totally excited about it!) If I have any comments, you'll hear from me Tuesday.

6:22 pm
January 15, 2010


KC

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 62

good for you, i couldn't wait, and hope you'll have something on Tuesday Smile

avatar: castletv. net

6:31 pm
January 15, 2010


Bren Williams/Lady Brenlis

United States

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 167

Ha ha! I broke down and watched clips one and four! :) But that's it, that's *all* I'm watching!

6:46 pm
January 15, 2010


KC

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 62

ROFL oh no i though you are stronger than that, so did you see the white shirt? jk Bounce

avatar: castletv. net

6:53 pm
January 15, 2010


Bren Williams/Lady Brenlis

United States

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 167

Nope. :) Boredom got to me, I guess. :)

11:21 am
April 4, 2010


starbeeper

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 70

Lady Brenlis said:

 

 

 

 

In the season one finale, there's a lot of subtext between Kate and Will Sorenson over sprinkles. She used to love sprinkles, she used to love Will. But now she's moved on. At the end of the episode sprinkles are growing on her and she's spending more time with him and sharing his sprinkled doughnut.

There's a lot of similar subtext going on in Season 2 episode 12, A Rose for Ever After.

WHITE

Prior to ep 12, everyone was talking about how the only time Kate has worn white in season 2, Castle spilled coffee all over her. Kate Beckett in season 2, generally doesn't wear white, so it caught my attention when she shows up in this elegant white top. I see it as representative of passing the torch of the "flame of Castle's love" from Kyra to Beckett.

Kyra's formal wedding dress was spectacularly white, of course, and Beckett was dressed in the romantic colors of fuchsia and red, lest we forget that she is Castle's love interest. (Like that was gonna happen!) In those opening scenes, Castle is overwhelmed with his old feelings of what might have been. [Did anyone else think the shot of him standing there holding a piece of wedding cake was kind of sad?]

Then Kyra meets with Castle, (wearing a romantic red sweater) and they make out. The next morning it's Beckett wearing white. During that day, Castle and Kyra "wrap things up" and Kyra intentionally passes him off to Beckett, justifying Beckett's white top.

When Kyra finally marries Greg, I'm sure no one missed that her dress was black with just a hint of white around the neckline, to remind us that she will always be a treasured part of Castle's history. But the torch has already been passed, and Kyra put the exclamation point on it by tossing Beckett the bouquet.

CAKE

"If you don't get married, is it just a regular old cake?" There's a lot of subtext in this scene and I'm not talking about for Kyra and Greg. What Castle is hearing under the surface of that question is, "We [Kyra & Rick] didn't get married, so is this just a regular old cake?" Castle answers her, it's still a wedding cake. She gives him a slice of cake and he's standing there, holding it through the whole scene, but he doesn't eat it. It's a wedding cake, meant to be shared between a bride and groom.

It speaks to me of his longing for the fairy tale, that he hasn't given up the hope of finding The One and finally having a Happily Ever After. 16+ years ago, Kyra didn't want that, and now she's got Greg… She goes off looking for him.

Beckett shows up and offers him a ride. He offers her what he's been offering her all along. "Cake?" Yet again, she turns him down. "No thanks." But the subtext isn't about cake at all, but a relationship and a future together. So he leaves the cake uneaten and accepts what she is willing to share with him, companionship and a ride.

We have a hint of this undercurrent in episode 11 with the divorced amnesiac. "Do you think they have a chance?" Ryan asks Castle. Castle, who is jaded by his two divorces and mocks his failed marriages at every turn, could easily have given a cynical answer. But he didn't. He is a writer who writes happy endings and, thankfully, he is still looking for his. Otherwise we wouldn't have much of a show would we?

 

Trouble_MakerCOFFEEInnocient_Bystander

I also find it interesting that coffee serves as a barometer for Caskett's relationship. Season 1 Beckett won't touch Castle's coffee. First half season two they're bonding over it, he's making it for her, bringing it to her, and even spills it all over her. (And she doesn't castrate him over it, demonstrating how far they have come.) Then in Episode 12, he shows up with premade coffee, very sweet and thoughtful. She chews him out over the chair and doesn't touch it. I am betting that around the time Beckett figures out how she feels about Rick, she'll start bringing *him* coffee!

Reminds me of the role socks plays in the Harry Potter books. But that is a discussion for another forum.

 


 

Wow, great reading! I completely agree with all of it and am amazed by how much I missed in the subtext. Nice work! …and I'm really curious about those socks…could you pls post a URL as to what forum you discussed said significance of Potter socks? :)

1:05 pm
April 4, 2010


neodnut

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 443

Wow that's incredibly deep, and I missed most of it! Thanks for sharing your insight.

"I think there's nothing sexier than swordplay." -Stana Katic

2:15 pm
April 4, 2010


thumper

Canada, eh

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 1308

neodnut said:

Wow that's incredibly deep, and I missed most of it! Thanks for sharing your insight.


 

ditto.

 

with regards to the coffee… i recall a scene where beckett actually stole castle's freshly made cup of joe from the just-installed expresso machine right out from under him after he had set it down on her desk. i think he may have whimpered a bit, but did not stop her… anyone care to interpet the symbolism in that? Bounce

IS IT MONDAY YET?!?

6:57 pm
April 4, 2010


Bren Williams/Lady Brenlis

United States

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 167

Was it season one? I don't own the season 1 dvd's so I don't know those episodes as well.  Do you remember which episode?  I know it's not the one where the machine arrives.    My guess it would be prior to episode 1.09, which is the first time Castle brings her coffee, with a bear claw, and she ends up shoving it in his mouth when he manages to irritate her somehow.  I could see that fitting as a precursor to him bringing her coffee.  

 

Harry Potter and Socks:  http://www.hplex.info/essays/socks.html  

A great little article.  

10:08 pm
April 4, 2010


dmcw

Illinois

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 3314

Interesting discussion!

Anyone notice in Boom that Kate walks down the stairs at the precinct after Castle returns from going home to change…and Castle has come into the prescinct with 2 cups of coffee.  Kate just grabs one from his hand and looks down at it and continues talking.  No thanks or anything!  Is there some meaning there?  Are they just so comfortable in their working relationship and habits that Beckett is taking for granted that Castle brings her coffee?

Icon by SKB; Banner by petal of roses

10:21 pm
April 4, 2010


franckie45

Castle Groupie

posts 9

 

Lady Brenlis said:

Was it season one? I don't own the season 1 dvd's so I don't know those episodes as well.  Do you remember which episode?  I know it's not the one where the machine arrives.    My guess it would be prior to episode 1.09, which is the first time Castle brings her coffee, with a bear claw, and she ends up shoving it in his mouth when he manages to irritate her somehow.  I could see that fitting as a precursor to him bringing her coffee.  

 

Harry Potter and Socks:  http://www.hplex.info/essays/socks.html  

A great little article.  


It was from A Chill Goes Through her Veins. In the beginning of the episode, Esposito brought her coffee at the murder scene as well. 

Castle: Whoa! There's an app for that !!!

10:23 pm
April 4, 2010


Bren Williams/Lady Brenlis

United States

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 167

Yes.  

 

There'll be interesting coffee moments in the latter 4 episodes, with Beckett's new love interest around.  I can just see Castle showing up with coffee for Beckett, and Tom's beaten him to the punch.  

2:59 am
April 5, 2010


starbeeper

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 70

@Lady Brenlis thanks for the article!

7:24 pm
April 5, 2010


unniw

Norway

Hard Core Castle Groupie

posts 1728

franckie45 said:

 

Lady Brenlis said:

Was it season one? I don't own the season 1 dvd's so I don't know those episodes as well.  Do you remember which episode?  I know it's not the one where the machine arrives.    My guess it would be prior to episode 1.09, which is the first time Castle brings her coffee, with a bear claw, and she ends up shoving it in his mouth when he manages to irritate her somehow.  I could see that fitting as a precursor to him bringing her coffee.  

 

Harry Potter and Socks:  http://www.hplex.info/essays/socks.html  

A great little article.  


It was from A Chill Goes Through her Veins. In the beginning of the episode, Esposito brought her coffee at the murder scene as well. 


 

Right, late in ep 104 Beckett made herself a cup of coffee on the machine, only to be interupted by Castle "Hey!"

 In ep 105 Beckett starts reading about the victim (old case file), Castle sits down with ONE cup of coffee, obviously for himself, he has his hand lying by the cup but hasn't taken a sip yet (as far as we know). While they are talking, Beckett just stretches over and claims it. Castle reacts a little, but doesn't protest out loud.

 The scene might be remembered more for this part, Castle leaning in to point into the case file, Beckett seemed a bit tense, and glances went from case-file to eyes to mouths and back again… "Guess I just haven't met the right girl…"

I wish I knew how to quit you.

No Tags

About the Castle: ABC TV Series / Show Nathan Fillion & Stana Katic Forum

Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 404

Currently Online: Castle-Junkie, crazy4castle, jrabbit, DramaWonder, Carmensan, Alie, docvap, ACF, lv2bnsb, grapes, Carrie, Fitch, Rodrigo, Celine, antigonista, castleandme
96 Guests

Currently Browsing this Topic:
1 Guest

Forum Stats:

Groups: 6
Forums: 109
Topics: 3231
Posts: 94144

Membership:

There are 7532 Members
There have been 570 Guests

There are 2 Admins
There are 5 Moderators

Top Posters:

dmcw – 3314
Nev827 – 3279
Jamz – 2641
Alie – 2421
Leftfield – 2336
KalliopePL – 1924
unniw – 1728
He-Touches-Things – 1628
sarah_darling – 1626
musiclover – 1486

Recent New Members: castleandme, ibmjas, mariamccoy, Teancum56, rclip1, Aanakin, mathilde, kiriki, Niki, Nurik