spinja said:

it is perfectly possible to LOVE this show and yet still view it a little more objectively, as moby has said.

Regarding the show – ok , the thaw has occurred, albeit in an imperefct way which I personally found a bit too fey.

(To also restate – a touch of the hand was what I wished for – not some scene from Soft Core Central…heh)

It might be helpful to know what the literal time-line of the show is. I mean we have been watching these two grown people for 23 episodes now, right? Is that 2 years in tv time? Or six months?

Does anyone know how long they have actually known each other?

I call for less *squeeeee!*, more - *Thud*!

Soon……………

I would say it's about a year, because in this case both season 1 and the first half of season 2 were aired in the same year, from March to December.

GhostWriter said:

Martha doesn't call her Kate at the apartment, but does call her Kiddo.

I can't explain the first of these omissions, but Martha seems to use Kiddo as a term of affection for her son. She only calls him by his first name when she's a bit perturbed at him. (So, has she adopted Kate now?)

I'm pretty sure Martha already considers Kate her future daughter-in-law :)

I am rewatching as I grab a bite to eat and the line "Maybe instead of using a stiletto he was wearing stilettos," is totally cracking me up.

Hey all! I don't post regularly but I do read the posts pretty often.

I do agree that you can love the show and still be objective in analyzing it. Honestly, I thought the first part was pretty slow and that scene with her dad could be a bit longer. But I am satisfied with how it all ended, especially the last conversation between Beckett and Castle. I like how he's clearly learned from his earlier mistake and knew when to apologize for what he saw as "overstepping" even when she didn't see it as such this time around. I especially love how she's finally opening up to him and let him see her vulnerable side. Could it be a result of Kyra's presence last week, or was she just too shaken up with finding out about her mother's killer which left her so emotionally drained that she doesn't want to bother putting up her walls and pretend that she's unaffected?

As for the song, I like itsmyworld's interpretation on the lyrics for the most part. I'd differ a bit on the "Help me see myself…" stanza. In the beginning of season 2, Beckett told Castle that she didn't want to go down that hole again while finding her mother's killer, losing herself in the process. In using that song for that scene, I think they (TPTB)were trying to convey that she's now openly asking Castle to help her get through it all, from finding the killer and who hired him, to the emotional aftermath. I think for her to tell him to stay until the end in her words, not just in the song, is a huge step for their relationship.

I think after finding out that he does go for "real," she's now more open to the idea, or at least she can admit to herself that she is attracted to him in more ways than one.

I can't wait for next week! I have never been more excited for Mondays to come until "Castle" came along.

Sorry for the double post (how come the quote and reply function doesn't work?). I think when Martha called her "kiddo," at the time, she's probably looking at Beckett as a young girl, much like Alexis, who lost her mother too early. I like how she always makes her feel welcome at their home. It may technically be Castle's home, but she always seems to receive her with open arms, at least compared with Meredith. I'm curious as to what she thought of Kyra.

Did anyone notice how Alexis didn't have a line at all in this episode? She was there, but I guess her expression conveys enough that she doesn't really know what to say.

That is why I found it amusing. I totally got the reference.

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Quoting someone, no idea who…

The famous final scene was,again in my humble opinion,poorly done and totally out of character for the episode and the series overall.

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There are milestones in the development of Caskett where we can look back and see it marks a change in tone of the relationship. Season 1 was largely love/hate. Obviouly, Castle looking into Johanna's murder was a milestone. Castle really started minding his p's & q's better in season two, behaving himself a lot more, and much less of a loose cannon.

The next milestone I noticed was in When the Bough Breaks, at the Heat Wave launch. It was the episode where Beckett realized he's not that annoying, and she actually kind of likes having him around. (Not that she would have ever told him that, as we saw in the final scene.) It's the first episode where the attraction really bubbles up to the surface. "You are extraordinary." I wonder if he'd had any idea how he was affecting her at that moment. They're friends, but Beckett isn't taking him seriously romantically at all, and she won't let him "in."

A Rose For Ever After and Sucker Punch are both milestone episodes. They mark a change in:

1. How Beckett sees Castle and

2. the depth of their friendship.

Going back to the quote above, It would have been out of character for the relationship they had 3 episodes ago with "The 5th Bullet." But not with the recent above changes. We are going to really enjoy watching them explore this new depth to their friendship.

The final song was a great choice, very poignant and raw. But if you look at the meaning of the song, well obviously it wasn't written for this Castle episode. I kind of wonder if it's more about Beckett and her mom than Beckett and Castle. Or maybe a little of both. Regardless, I found this site which has a pretty good analysis of the song's lyrics: http://community.pearljam.com/…..p;t=111173

If this were the season finale I'd be disgusted. I really want to see Nathan "get the girl!" So anything less than walking off into the sunset with the other half of a great romance is going to leave me unhappy.

His love interest in Firefly was my favorite part, and I never got anything close to satisfaction on that, not even in the movie. (I yelled at the TV, "You've got to be kidding me!" when I realized the way they were ending it.) Waitress and Slither, when the curtain dropped and the lights came up he didn't get the girl there either! Even in Dr. Horrible/PG Porn, when the it was over, he was alone!

There's a few other movies I've yet to find, but it sounds like Trucker is more of the same in that respect.

Lady Brenlis:

If this were the season finale I'd be disgusted. I really want to see Nathan "get the girl!" So anything less than walking off into the sunset with the other half of a great romance is going to leave me unhappy.

His love interest in Firefly was my favorite part, and I never got anything close to satisfaction on that, not even in the movie. Angry (I yelled at the TV, "You've got to be kidding me!" when I realized the way they were ending it.) Waitress and Slither, when the curtain dropped and the lights came up he didn't get the girl there either! Crazy Even in Dr. Horrible/PG Porn, when the it was over, he was alone!

There's a few other movies I've yet to find, but it sounds like Trucker is more of the same in that respect. Doh

Sounds like you only care about Nathan getting the girl, not about Castle and Beckett. This romance between Castle and Beckett isn't about Castle "getting the girl." It's about Beckett opening herself up and Castle growing up and them moving forward as a couple. If Castle simply "got the girl" all the work into who these people are would be lost.

And as far as being disgusted, wow… Seriously? Here you have Beckett admitting to Castle that she likes him and you're disgusted? She just killed her mother's killer, TO SAVE CASTLE! That's a lot to go through and you wanted more then admittance of feelings? I think I might be disgusted with that.

There are milestones in the development of Caskett

Good analysis again, Lady Brenlis (because I agree ). I compared this episode with When the Bough Breaks too (in my mind), and thought:

-in 205 Beckett realize she won't be relieved when he stops following her around, but she keeps it to herself and doesn't stop him.

-in 213 she stops him from leaving, and tells him she wants him around.

What's happened in between 205 and 213? 212 with going for real women, and 213 with him being supportive and sweet…

A big difference between the two scenes is of course why he's talking about leaving. She wouldn't stop him if he wanted to write other books, but leaving because he felt bad, that she won't have happen.

In season 1 episode #8 Ghosts Martha calls Beckett Sweetheart they even sort of woman team up against Castle when she tells Beckett he let her win the poker game. There is a mutual liking, also when she loans Beckett the necklace for #7 in the first season, asks her in and she is invited to breakfast with the family. They all attend Hallie Blue's sister's concert together so they are friends and Martha cares about her as does Alexis with calling about her advice and then working for her as intern at the station. I love that these women are bonding and hopefully it would be nice to know that Martha didn't bond with the second wife either, we know she didn't with the 1st. She did tell Gina that Castle had a writer's block in the pilot.

I would have hated this episode to be the last of the series, hey I am greedy I want more and I want it all. Castle is going to go far and we can have a whole lot more. They only gave viewers one season of Commander in Chief and it was left with so much story to tell.

I forgot to mention how much I loved the scene where they are drinking coffee and Beckett is leaning against the counter they seem alone in the station, it felt like they could have been in their own kitchen giggle! I love those little moments and then the lights come on and they rush off to solve the case. I like how in the past few episodes the writers have quietly and coyly have the little things going on with the body language it began in #12 Terri wrote the awareness scenes for Beckett to make her move, Kyra opens up Beckett's eyes do you want him you go get him.

I love in #12 how close they stand, sit close to the other through the entire episode, they continue it in #13. They like just being together in the same room. Castle loves to rush off to be with Beckett, not just for his book or murder but because he looks forward to meeting up with her. She is always working and he is always rushing off to be with her except when Kyra showed up.

I love the coffee moments and on this episode she tells him she will pay him back the money and he tells her negative. I just love that scene. How comfortable they have become and the little touching of the shoulders or standing beside closely or behind each other is just them wanting that touch without it looking obvious to the other. I find it very sweet.

So did he get his money back the $100,000 because the guy he sent it to wasn't real, and the guy who got it got the bullet and died. So does Castle find the lawyer and get his money back? hmmmmm!

Still waiting for Castle to show up at Beckett's apt. and he finds all his books there in her BEDROOM, ta he~

Just hoping.

P.S I don't think they look at each other like a brother and sister, they look at each other with attraction