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3:56 pm
June 3, 2009
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December 3, 2009
OfflineHey all! I don't post regularly but I do read the posts pretty often.
I do agree that you can love the show and still be objective in analyzing it. Honestly, I thought the first part was pretty slow and that scene with her dad could be a bit longer. But I am satisfied with how it all ended, especially the last conversation between Beckett and Castle. I like how he's clearly learned from his earlier mistake and knew when to apologize for what he saw as "overstepping" even when she didn't see it as such this time around. I especially love how she's finally opening up to him and let him see her vulnerable side. Could it be a result of Kyra's presence last week, or was she just too shaken up with finding out about her mother's killer which left her so emotionally drained that she doesn't want to bother putting up her walls and pretend that she's unaffected?
As for the song, I like itsmyworld's interpretation on the lyrics for the most part. I'd differ a bit on the "Help me see myself…" stanza. In the beginning of season 2, Beckett told Castle that she didn't want to go down that hole again while finding her mother's killer, losing herself in the process. In using that song for that scene, I think they (TPTB)were trying to convey that she's now openly asking Castle to help her get through it all, from finding the killer and who hired him, to the emotional aftermath. I think for her to tell him to stay until the end in her words, not just in the song, is a huge step for their relationship.
I think after finding out that he does go for "real," she's now more open to the idea, or at least she can admit to herself that she is attracted to him in more ways than one.
I can't wait for next week! I have never been more excited for Mondays to come until "Castle" came along.
4:13 pm
January 20, 2010
OfflineItsmyworld said:
I am rewatching as I grab a bite to eat and the line "Maybe instead of using a stiletto he was wearing stilettos," is totally cracking me up.
Response: It's a particularly good line if you remember our hero Stana starred in the movie Stiletto where she played a Russian assassin (if i recall the rather thin plot correctly). In that movie, as well as this show, she runs around on VERY high heels all the time. (As if a woman who is 5'9" needs 5£ heels!)
4:15 pm
December 3, 2009
OfflineSorry for the double post (how come the quote and reply function doesn't work?). I think when Martha called her "kiddo," at the time, she's probably looking at Beckett as a young girl, much like Alexis, who lost her mother too early. I like how she always makes her feel welcome at their home. It may technically be Castle's home, but she always seems to receive her with open arms, at least compared with Meredith. I'm curious as to what she thought of Kyra.
Did anyone notice how Alexis didn't have a line at all in this episode? She was there, but I guess her expression conveys enough that she doesn't really know what to say.
4:16 pm
November 22, 2009
OfflineThis has been fun following thread all day. Finally a little conflict up in here!
First off let me say I will never disagree with IMW because she is too good of a writer.
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It is really hard for me to decide about this show sometimes. Like someone said earlier, we all want 'it' to happen, we just can't agree on how. My head says they are playing it perfectly, but my heart says sooner is better.
I have a read a ton of interviews with the cast and crew and they seem like they have a solid plan and it involves taking a lot of time. I am sure most of you realize that if Castle had not been picked up this would have been the series finale, how would you all have felt? I realized after my 3rd viewing that I would have been very satisfied.
There was a show on about 10 years ago called "Now and Again" with Eric Close and Margaret Colin. I really loved that show and when it was cancelled after one season I was devastated, but the more I thought about I thought well, at least I got a small sense of closure when the lead characters ran away together. BTW, because of that show I refuse to watch anything that is not sports on CBS, and in general I don't get as involved with shows because like Firefly for some, Now and Again was a part of my life for one hour every week, and it was taken away rather rudely.
Back on point though, I love the passion here and realize that that passion is shared with all the people involved with the show. So as long as the main people stay in charge of Castle (Marlowe, Echeverria, etc.) I will be on board. That being said, if I don't get a kiss or a hug or something romantic by the end of this season, I will probably not purchase the S2 DVD or look forward to S3 as much as I did S2.
4:16 pm
October 24, 2009
OfflineThat is why I found it amusing. I totally got the reference.
4:22 pm
October 24, 2009
OfflineI am sure most of you realize that if Castle had not been picked up this would have been the series finale, how would you all have felt?
I'll be honest, I would have been disappointed if this were the series finale. It would have been better than some, but there are far too many unanswered questions. I really want to know the "why" behind Johanna Beckett's murder. The "who" is great, but not nearly enough.
I also want a less ambiguous ending for Kate & Castle. As it is, since we know the show will continue, there is still a hope for an actual romance. Nothing getting so much as a hug in a series finale would have left me seething. I am enjoying where it's going, but th end of a series is really a whole different ball game IMHO. And yes, I'm still cranky about how 3 of my favorite shows ended after they were all canceled midway through the second seasons.
And thank you so much for the lovely compliment mig! That is so sweet of you to say.
4:27 pm
January 11, 2010
Offline——
Quoting someone, no idea who…
The famous final scene was,again in my humble opinion,poorly done and totally out of character for the episode and the series overall.
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There are milestones in the development of Caskett where we can look back and see it marks a change in tone of the relationship. Season 1 was largely love/hate. Obviouly, Castle looking into Johanna's murder was a milestone. Castle really started minding his p's & q's better in season two, behaving himself a lot more, and much less of a loose cannon.
The next milestone I noticed was in When the Bough Breaks, at the Heat Wave launch. It was the episode where Beckett realized he's not that annoying, and she actually kind of likes having him around. (Not that she would have ever told him that, as we saw in the final scene.) It's the first episode where the attraction really bubbles up to the surface. "You are extraordinary." I wonder if he'd had any idea how he was affecting her at that moment. They're friends, but Beckett isn't taking him seriously romantically at all, and she won't let him "in."
A Rose For Ever After and Sucker Punch are both milestone episodes. They mark a change in:
1. How Beckett sees Castle and
2. the depth of their friendship.
Going back to the quote above, It would have been out of character for the relationship they had 3 episodes ago with "The 5th Bullet." But not with the recent above changes. We are going to really enjoy watching them explore this new depth to their friendship.
The final song was a great choice, very poignant and raw. But if you look at the meaning of the song, well obviously it wasn't written for this Castle episode. I kind of wonder if it's more about Beckett and her mom than Beckett and Castle. Or maybe a little of both. Regardless, I found this site which has a pretty good analysis of the song's lyrics: http://community.pearljam.com/…..p;t=111173
4:31 pm
October 24, 2009
OfflineI thought the song could certainly have had a double meaning regarding KB & her mother as well. I am going with both depending on how you wish to look at it.
4:34 pm
January 11, 2010
OfflineIf this were the season finale I'd be disgusted. I really want to see Nathan "get the girl!" So anything less than walking off into the sunset with the other half of a great romance is going to leave me unhappy.
His love interest in Firefly was my favorite part, and I never got anything close to satisfaction on that, not even in the movie. :angry: (I yelled at the TV, "You've got to be kidding me!" when I realized the way they were ending it.) Waitress and Slither, when the curtain dropped and the lights came up he didn't get the girl there either!
: Even in Dr. Horrible/PG Porn, when the it was over, he was alone!
There's a few other movies I've yet to find, but it sounds like Trucker is more of the same in that respect.
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4:36 pm
June 3, 2009
Offlineitsmyworld said:
I am sure most of you realize that if Castle had not been picked up this would have been the series finale, how would you all have felt?
I'll be honest, I would have been disappointed if this were the series finale. It would have been better than some, but there are far too many unanswered questions. I really want to know the "why" behind Johanna Beckett's murder. The "who" is great, but not nearly enough.
Precisely. Especially that we know that all 4 people murdered 10 years ago were connected. We need to know more about the remaining three, I think Castle should ask Beckett whether she or her dad knew any of them. After "Sucker punch" episode it seems to me that it might have been also about the drugs business in the past…
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4:44 pm
October 19, 2009
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Lady Brenlis:If this were the season finale I'd be disgusted. I really want to see Nathan "get the girl!" So anything less than walking off into the sunset with the other half of a great romance is going to leave me unhappy.
His love interest in Firefly was my favorite part, and I never got anything close to satisfaction on that, not even in the movie. Angry (I yelled at the TV, "You've got to be kidding me!" when I realized the way they were ending it.) Waitress and Slither, when the curtain dropped and the lights came up he didn't get the girl there either! Crazy Even in Dr. Horrible/PG Porn, when the it was over, he was alone!
There's a few other movies I've yet to find, but it sounds like Trucker is more of the same in that respect. Doh
Sounds like you only care about Nathan getting the girl, not about Castle and Beckett. This romance between Castle and Beckett isn't about Castle "getting the girl." It's about Beckett opening herself up and Castle growing up and them moving forward as a couple. If Castle simply "got the girl" all the work into who these people are would be lost.
And as far as being disgusted, wow… Seriously? Here you have Beckett admitting to Castle that she likes him and you're disgusted? She just killed her mother's killer, TO SAVE CASTLE! That's a lot to go through and you wanted more then admittance of feelings? I think I might be disgusted with that.
4:45 pm
January 20, 2010
OfflineLady Brenlis said:
If this were the season finale I'd be disgusted. I really want to see Nathan "get the girl!" So anything less than walking off into the sunset with the other half of a great romance is going to leave me unhappy.
His love interest in Firefly was my favorite part, and I never got anything close to satisfaction on that, not even in the movie. (I yelled at the TV, "You've got to be kidding me!" when I realized the way they were ending it.) Waitress and Slither, when the curtain dropped and the lights came up he didn't get the girl there either! Even in Dr. Horrible/PG Porn, when the it was over, he was alone!
There's a few other movies I've yet to find, but it sounds like Trucker is more of the same in that respect.
So you are saying this relationship is doomed because Nathan NEVER gets the girl? How how depressing – for Nathan and his fans.
4:47 pm
October 10, 2009
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There are milestones in the development of Caskett
Good analysis again, Lady Brenlis (because I agree
: ). I compared this episode with When the Bough Breaks too (in my mind), and thought:
-in 205 Beckett realize she won't be relieved when he stops following her around, but she keeps it to herself and doesn't stop him.
-in 213 she stops him from leaving, and tells him she wants him around.
What's happened in between 205 and 213? 212 with going for real women, and 213 with him being supportive and sweet…
A big difference between the two scenes is of course why he's talking about leaving. She wouldn't stop him if he wanted to write other books, but leaving because he felt bad, that she won't have happen.
4:48 pm
May 6, 2009
OfflineAck! If this truly had been the last episode, I would have deleted ABC from my remote control!! (if that's possible) "Disgusted" would be the right word, I agree with Lady B.
So…is "Season 2″ actually just part 2 of Season1?
Must ask Jose or Terri if these "season 2″ episodes were already written last year when the series debuted.
Curious in general about the lead time from writing to producing an episode. (I'm sure that changes as the show gets renewed.)
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