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11:10 pm
January 13, 2010


Jamz

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Castle makes the hot list in the new TV Guide under the what to watch.

Interestingly enough they say Nathan Fillion is the one to watch in this episode.

As much as we love Nathan Fillion's sassy side (and a few other parts), it's his dramatic chops that are gonna wow ya when Castle comes up against a killer who may be linked to the murder of Beckett's mother.

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12:09 am
January 14, 2010


MereBelle007

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hmm, we see kate have a breakdown and it's nathan that is the one to watch…interesting.

12:56 am
January 14, 2010


PamFromCalif

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To MereBelle007

This won't be a bad thing in one way we will get to see Castle be grown up and Kate need the comfort of his big strong arms, plus he will see a different side to Kate the one she keeps tightly locked away from everyone even Lanie and maybe even her Father.
She keeps so much inside and maybe she will let him in just a little and this is what scares her and she pulls away from that and this is where we find them in #14 her trying to keep him at bay after letting him in and seeing her vulnerability .

1:02 am
January 14, 2010


MereBelle007

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i wasn't saying it was a bad thing, but i just find it interesting that the promo seemed to be all about kate and her emotions and yet it was nathan that was mentioned.

3:25 am
January 14, 2010


PamFromCalif

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The media is saying #13 is a strong episode for Nathan more so then Stana but having not seen it yet I can't say I don't think so. I have seen the press photos and the promo and I think the press & media tend to short change Stana. I think she will hold her own and then some in #13 and nothing against Nathan I like his acting too just think Stana gets overlooked as half the team of a good show sometimes.

6:03 am
January 14, 2010


Kacy524

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Pamfromcalif, I couldn't agree more.  I find it so frustrating!  Even the president of ABC's comments yesterday.  While they were great for the show and Nathan, what about Stana?  She's fantastic too!

7:18 am
January 14, 2010


KalliopePL

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Couldn't agree more. Perhaps we should organize a campaign "More love for Stana on Castle!" She's much more than fantastic, but I'm afraid they don't see her full potential or don't want to use it.

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8:01 am
January 14, 2010


unniw

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The reason they use Nathan name so much is becase he's known by more people, nothing else. We know that will change – as Castle take over the world, Stana will be on everybody's mind. Cool I started watching Castle because the promos looked great – looked like a show I'd like to watch, and I recognized Nathan from Firefly. A few episodes in, and I'm fine-combing the internet for anything and everything about Stana… Love In the beginning of the show the interviews and promotion was both of them, or Nathan alone. Now Stana does some by herself, which means her name is more recognized than before. She's on her way.

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9:53 am
January 14, 2010


kcastle

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I can't wait to watch it !!! it's so hard !!

I wait for this episode since so long time, stana seems really great(like always) ; Castle and Beckett are going to get closer !!!

I'm the feeling that the scene where Beckett is crying is after the scene where Dr. Clark Murray who say to beckett that the murderer is the same that of her mother'murderer in the first scene of the episode promo

11:35 am
January 14, 2010


Moby Dick

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posts 387

Castle solidifies his feelings for Beckett in this one.(I can only hope and pray he does)If they solve Beckett's Mothers death we have new story lines to come up with.Lets change the game for season 3. A couple of new story lines will keep interest up.

I'm so ready for the Castle-Beckett union to take place.Doesn't have to be coital but must be physical in my opion.Real romance,mutually acknowledged and shared. They could try to keep it secret while everyone knows. I just think it's time for them to stop beating around the bush and come out so to speak.Good writting can keep us interested.

Am I the only one ready for this to happen?

"The heart wants what the Heart wants"

11:43 am
January 14, 2010


sunshine_minx

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posts 120

I could handle some more intimate moments (like dinner at his place, or her place, etc), if anything. I just want to see MORE of the friendship, maybe. Just a smidge. And as for this episode, I have to WORK THAT NIGHT (Agonizing howl), but so help me I am going to do EVERYTHING in my power to get out of work on time so I can be home by 10. I want to watch live!

11:54 am
January 14, 2010


Seriously?

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I don't want them to solve her mother's murder in one episode. I've said that before so I won't elaborate more her on that.
I want to see the relationship progress. I don't want them to be officially together yet, but I would like to see more of a personal bond forming. Maybe dinner & laser tag at his place. Hanging out with he & Alexis… something of that nature. I want them to show that they're making progress, rather than just the day to day work stuff. I personally think they can drag the courtship out a bit more, but I feel as though they're kind of coming close to hitting a plateau where little moments at the precinct aren't exactly enough either. I don't want them to rush the two of them in to an actual relationship in a few episodes because that would also be out of character, at least for Beckett. More intimacy? Absolutely.
I've said this often, but I don't want to see this take on the same path as Bones.

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11:59 am
January 14, 2010


PamFromCalif

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To Moby Dick – I am so with you on this I came to this show not for the cop stories but for the promo's which showed me this interesting couple. The banter is fun but I a am a woman who loves romance and a good story. I am one who thinks if writing is good and acting is good, a good story can be told without it destroying a show. Castle looks to have some good writing talent and if they can keep making the show fun, mysterious and romantic they can go many seasons with this couple. I am one who looks at Hart to Hart as a parent role model for Castle so to speak. We had this fab looking couple who solved cases and had so much fun doing it, people loved their chemistry so much that to this day they thought they were married in real life. By the way if they ever do go down the road of showing us Castle's father look no farther then Robert Wagner. Nathan looks like a young Robert Wagner.

To fanscapefan& kacy524 I just get frustrated when women actors get overshadowed by the men actors. It's a long time double standard of Hollywood and to give examples. Cybil Shepard, Teri Hatcher, Stephanie Zimbalist, & Kate Jackson were all shortchanged by media and the press when their shows were #1 in their day. It was always stated that the men of the shows carried them.

I too came to castle because of the promos, they highlight the chemistry and connection of the couplein the promos to suck you in, but then the press & media seem to always side step Stana when it comes to her talents. Appears that way to me it is of my opinion only.

I knew
of Nathan from OLTL and DH only, seen him in one episode of DH he was sitting on the floor of a bathroom getting ready for a hurricane or something to hit and I said, Oh it's Joey B! I mainly watched him on OLTL for the years he was on that and was so upset when he went off, we had so many Joey's. I later stopped watching soaps after that.

I love Nathan's work on Castle don't get me wrong my interest in him brought me to the show. I then discovered Stana and with the two together wow wow. These two could read the phone book together (yes heads touching) and I'd tune in each week just for facial expressions and voice overs alone from these two fine actors. But I still want my romance and I think both actors are what make this show click plus the wonderful acting of the supporting cast. There is no one cast member of this show who when they come on screen I am yelling, "Get off"

So having said all of this I go back to one of my original posts in this thread now buried on an earlier page. I think when Castle and Beckett are in the station and the guy takes Castle hostage and it looks like Beckett hostage at first. Castle jumps in to protect Beckett – finally and he starts shooting questions at this guy about Beckett's mom's murder to distract the guy long enough for Beckett to distance herself from them and get off a good shot if she needs to. Castle on the other hand pisses the guy off with his methods and then it is Beckett who must shoot the guy who has info on her Mom in order to save Castle, she has to because the guy is waving the gun around getting desperate to get out of the station. Thus all the crying and jazz after that over what they could have found out and maybe they do get a few more clues or pieces to the murder for future episode set ups. Wouldn't it be neat for them to explore the murder together in their off time, bring them closer with clues and they try to solve it together over a period of time, then other murders are going on. How far out would it be if her Mom's murder ((which is already linked to 3 maybe 4 others) opens up to be much deeper then first thought and far wide spread. Some kind of inside federal thing with the Govt. maybe that would be a good tie in with the two parter coming up later in the season, maybe their clues lead to Federal Govt. cover ups or state or senator cover ups and her Mom and several other people may have accidentally stumbled on to something and didn't know it until it was to late and they were murdered for what they might know or others thought they did know. Maybe her Mom uncovered a crime ring, drug ring, slave labor, moffia, over this long ten year period of time who knows think of the possibilities they could go with. How wonderful for the two of them to have this bond between them, the man Beckett is coming to care about helps her solve her Mother's murder and finally maybe some closure all the while falling in love.

Aw as I said I am a sucker for love!

12:37 pm
January 14, 2010


musiclover

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posts 1486

To pamfromcalif I like your theory about Becketts mothers murder bringing her and Castle closer anyway I would like to see what would happen if Beckett shoots the guy what would happen to her would she get a repremand from Captain Montgomery ? I don't want this to turn to (and I'm going w/ my theory here) Beckett starts shutting down and Castle not be there for her or she doesn't talk to anyone or on the other hand that would make for a good story Beckett thought she had moved ahead with her life only to have het mothers death still haunt her.

12:43 pm
January 14, 2010


PamFromCalif

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posts 213

yes Musiclover a good idea. How will this effect Beckett will she have to undergo questions from the Capt. on the entire report of hostage to the killing. Det. must go through a bunch of questions after something like this happens to clear everything for the record. Like you say she can end up going back to step 1 where she thinks she put this all in a safe place at the back of her mind, only to find it split wide open and in her face again. On top of that Castle is now in the picture and the pressures he gives her with trying in his style and way to find the answers for her. A lot for her to grasp and if she does close off from him and shut down, won't it be interesting to see how he cuts through that and tries to reach her. Better yet how will it effect her on the job, with this between them and nothing solved oh my my what possibilities.

2:15 pm
January 14, 2010


Moby Dick

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posts 387

Yes !!! Beckett has to understand her feelings for Castle.I believe EP 12 went a long way towards her recognizing her own feelings. Alyssa Milano's "He's all yours" made her look at it a little closer.The fact she had him under surveilance and was waiting,no prompting him to come clean was another indication of her feelings."I had to make sure you didn't mess up. …….. and you did".(She futher stakes her claim)

On the purely romantic side,Castle needs to listen to his mother and "kiss that girl while your both young".

The cop drama is just the vehicle for these two to find each other.Very good show and very well written,but it's a romance and i'm rooting for Beckett and Castle to make it and find each other. Isn't that what we all want and what makes the world go around.

I'm so hooked ,like everyone else i'm willing to wait it out but dayam i'm ready for some kissin,huggin and lovin to begin.

"The heart wants what the Heart wants"

2:20 pm
January 14, 2010


sarah_darling

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posts 1626

I still want to draw it out, make the dance more interesting. A lingering hand here, a kiss on the cheek there, things that make us "eeeee" but at the same time are small enough to keep them awkward.

Becklers do it with the beckle on.

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2:42 pm
January 14, 2010


Moby Dick

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posts 387

Agree to a point but were two seasons in with two beautiful healthy adults. I'll take some passion on the elevator if it's all I can get."kiss that girl while your both young". Meaningful kiss will do me for now.

Awkward is cute i'll admit,but everyone knows now.I really don't want to ruin the dynamic of the show and I understand why everyone wants to dance around the romantic part. Make it where only they know for sure if you like but all that sexual tension has to start a fire or what is the point.

"The heart wants what the Heart wants"

2:51 pm
January 14, 2010


PamFromCalif

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posts 213

I'm on the same page you are Moby Dick, if we are not sure of how many seasons the show may go, hopefully five or more but if we don't know I don't want a rush job last few episodes of a series to tie it all up. It is fun to take the ride with them and watch them grow granted there will be set backs and good times but I invest in a show for a pay off and I am not talking sex and jumping in and out of bed, showing nude body parts. I am talking good writing, acting and directing which Castle has in spades. I want it to move forward but not at the cost of viewers being shortchanged when ABC decides the show isn't going in the direction they want, right now ABC is behind it lots of times that is the case then they want to push another show and begin moving the series to different nights and time slots.

So I'd like to see season 2 end with them confirming they like each other and going forward in season 3 with dating, secretly or not. I want some action with my leads with each other not them dating others.

A kiss, a hug, hold hands, fighting but give me some loving moments or it's a bust for this viewer.

3:07 pm
January 14, 2010


Moby Dick

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posts 387

Absolutely. Lip lock baby. Tongue

They don't have to get married,live together or have intercourse on the show but they really like each other and need to express that interest in an adult way.I wouldn't mind them sneaking around (for the shows sake)for a real kiss every once in a while.That's not too much to ask.All the rest can be implied.

"The heart wants what the Heart wants"

3:24 pm
January 14, 2010


sarah_darling

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posts 1626

I still believe we need at least half a season more before something gets finalized. Otherwise, it does feel like rushing to me. Third episode into season three would be nice.

But like I said before, almost kisses and awkward moments are what make me "eeeee" and make the anticipation of their relationship even hotter.

Becklers do it with the beckle on.

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3:28 pm
January 14, 2010


Sandy (aka newsjunkie)

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posts 290

sarah, I could not agree more! The "almost" moments are what make the show for me right now. I want to see them hug first (which may happen on Monday) and take things slowly. Nothing is to be gained from rushing into kissing and sex, the tension is still fresh and exciting. They haven't reached the boiling point yet. Let this season play out and then when they get a full season 3 they can develop it over the course of the whole season.

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3:30 pm
January 14, 2010


really?

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posts 481

I agree with you Sarah…. the dance is the fun part- are they or aren't they? besides as fans of the C/B pairing, we should be rooting for a long term thing- which means it's gonna take them some time to get to know each other to even get to that point.

3:33 pm
January 14, 2010


Steffili

Castle Groupie

posts 27

I think if they will kiss and get together and live together forever in the next ep….. that will be too much too soon. We are at some kind of breaking point now I think….the way is free now, Kate starts to see behind his ever annoying self…now all they need is time to get used to getting closer. First thing I wanna see now is a HUG!!! then I will squeal like the fan girl I am… BounceBounce

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3:37 pm
January 14, 2010


Moby Dick

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posts 387

Okay Sara. I 'll settle for the third in the third. I don't want to but I will. If it doesn't happen by then,i'm a raving lunatic and i'll be looking for love somewhere else. j/k
I'm in it for the long run.The rich sexy author better kiss the beautiful sexy detective before I die.I'm not getting any younger.

"The heart wants what the Heart wants"

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