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Ep 15 - Post Episode Discussion
February 8, 2010
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Reminder that if you have any questions or comments about this episode the writer Jose Molina will be joining us for a special chat – you can post questions in advance in the Events section of the forum

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February 8, 2010
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Great ep! But we've come to except that now, haven't we? wink

I thought the stories were especially lovely in this one. Very touching stuff with Lara, the unknown daughter, and all the struggles she and her mother went through. The ending with her and Vega's wife… just yay.
I especially loved Castle's take on the whole father thing and all it's possibilities. Doesn't want to spoil the fantasy. Just loved that. It's so Castle.

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February 9, 2010
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Loved the episode, especially scenes with Alexis. Love2

February 9, 2010
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The suspects will never learn. They might be smarter than Beckett. They might be smarter than Castle. But too late they learn they're not as smart as the both of them. Beckett and Castle are truly a team where the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts. Great episode.

"My partner is crazy and may start firing at any moment." – Castle speaking in Chinese about Beckett Beckett: (about Natalie Rhodes) She took my coffee, Castle! Beckett: Alakazam, jackass. Esposito: "Listen to me. You're too late. The cops already know all about...me and your mom." Beckett: "I put a lot of people in this place. Some of them want to kill me, others never been treated so fairly in their lives - so they form an attachment to me. It’s like I’m their favorite schoolteacher. Some of those people might visit you while you’re in here, like the ghosts that visit Scrooge. And after some time with them, you might find yourself a changed man. So I will be back here, week after week, to ask you who hired you, until that miracle occurs."
February 9, 2010
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After the glee-fest of the last episode, I didn't really expect anything to match it this week… and really, this doesn't, but it is an enjoyable episode in its own right and the more I think about it, the more it actually makes me smile.

Firstly, I *love* that they don't have Castle rabidly wanting to hunt down the identity of his father as would happen on just about any drama on television… and I also love Castle's rationale for not wanting to know… it appeals to the part of him that loves the story, loves the fantasy… which is, as Greeny has already suggested, so very Castle.

Although, one thing I kept pondering after his frequently references to the hucksters and the cons in his family tree, if that isn't a bit of the insecure Castle showing… he seemed to shoot down Montgomery's suggestion that he could have some "cop blood" in him awfully fast… does he believe that's far too noble a profession for someone of Castle's questionable character/genetic makeup? I don't know… it just occurred to me at the end of the ep that I wonder if you ever sat Castle down and asked him if he thought he was really a "good guy", what would he say?

Also loved that, unlike many shows that would've gone for the obvious story of a rich baseball player who gets into something dark or gets into trouble with his girl on the side… that we actually had an unexpectedly tender tale about a father–yes, we probably should've seen it coming with all the talk about fathers this ep… but, in any case, a good father who just wants to do right for his daughter.

 
February 9, 2010
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Esposito & Beckett speaking Spanish = HOTTTTTT.

February 9, 2010
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I have to be honest, I liked the episode but it was not one of my favorites. It was really really fast paced and because of that some of the flirting and back and forth between Beckett & Castle didn't have the effected that I'm used to. I also didn't like that there was zero conversation between Castle & Beckett about his father issues, she was so matter of fact about it. Even at the police station when we learn that the girl was the daugther and you can tell Castle is getting upset, effected in a personal way and yet there wasn't any follow thru about it. I sort of felt as if scenes in this episode were cut, things that may have been filmed but didn't make it to the final version. There was more from Martha about her family and very little conversation between Castle & her or Alexis & her about who Castle's dad. I'm used to the quiet conversation between Castle & Beckett after the case, there have been many talks between Castle & Beckett about cases and how the remind Beckett of her mother and what happened, in this episode we didn't get that.

But…
I'm going to go and rewatch the episode, because perhaps it was me, sometimes on first viewing you miss things.
After watching the past two new episodes this one had very little Castle & Beckett, not the flirting, but the emotional stuff..

Off to rewatch..

February 9, 2010
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I was kind of bugged by the whole "Cuban Consulate" thing. Cuba and the United States of America do not have full diplomatic relations. Cuba has an "interest section" in Washington, D.C., not an embassy. Cuba does not have consulates in cities across the country. However, Cuba does have a mission to the United Nations in New York City. The only thing that was correct was that consular officials have consular immunity, which is more limited than diplomatic immunity. Unfortunately, the head of a mission to the U.N. does have full diplomatic immunity.

February 9, 2010
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abc123, I agree with a lot of what you said. My initial reaction to the episode was a little disappointment, but it's hard not to have high expectations where Beckett and Castle are concerned after the last 3 episodes each moved their relationship forward in a significant way. This one seemed to me to slow it a little, which I suppose you need to do if there aren't plans to hook them up in the near future! But all Castle episodes also delight me in some way, (and I did rewatch once) so here's what I liked:

-Stuff relating to Beckett in the episode: her hair, her in blue, those sexy high heeled boots she was wearing, the banter about her "big words", her fangirl moment, the way she caught the ball Esposito and Ryan tossed around, the talk of her dad, her use of Spanish (Esposito too)…

-Castle's musings about his father…the "creative" reason he says he's ok with not knowing him seems consistent with his writer creativity (although there's probably something more emotional below the surface). The father stuff had a nice tie-in with the crime.

-Castle missing the toss and his bad throw made me laugh, and some of the moments with Alexis were sweet.

-The discussion of athletes and politicians cheating with Ryan, Esposito, and Beckett…she was very matter-of-fact about it being an exposure thing, and this would seem to play into insecurity about a relationship with a famous writer like Castle

But I was surprised or confused by the following:
-Beckett's comment about Castle being "famously fatherless"…seemed a little mean…and maybe not like something she'd say at this point
-Martha's lack of involvement in discussions about Castle's father…but I suppose there will be time for this later on
-No one-on-one time between Castle and Beckett outside of them being together for interrogations…especially as it related to discussions of fathers.

There was a lot going into the crime story in this episode, so perhaps the fast pace required some things to be cut like abc123 said…

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regardless of seeing the 'you should hear me say fallacious' sneak peek…seeing it in the episode still made me smile like whooo. Hahaha grin also the 'That's Joe freakin Torre' part. LOVE it grin love the beginning part where martha was teaching alexis how to read minds, and the ending part with castle breaking something (LOL)…it was very touching. grin t'was super awesome to hear Beckett speak spanish, and her expression/reaction as the victim's daughter was telling her her story, great acting. smile

as for speaking about the whole episode itself, i agree with those saying it was sort of rushed and such, and yes it would have been better to have certain scenes in there, but overall i liked the episode. it didn't struck me as the past 3 episodes did, but then again, i think it causes balance..which is good. grin

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February 9, 2010
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I just felt the episode was rushed along, such an important issue vs such a matter of fact reaction.
Nothing between Castle & Beckett about his father, nothing between Martha & Castle about his dad either.
There were points during the episode that I felt things were set-up to focus more on the Castle dad storyline and yet somehow they just did not follow thru with it. So now I'm convinced that this episode was edited after the orginal concept was put in place and things were filmed, edited perhaps because of the additional 2 episodes. It's possible that they later decided to deal with this issue at another time and that's why it was wrapped up in a neat little bow with little effect on what happens next week. Castle doesn't have a dad, but he has a great daugther, so essentially it's a status quo.

To fast and not you usual person connection between Beckett & Castle and I was missing the great backround music and sounds during scenes. I found myself saying slow down, take a breath, let me enjoy this Cuba moment between Castle & Beckett, but in a flash it came and went.

I don't think it has been just the last three episodes that built us up to want more from Castle & Beckett.
It's the entire series, even back to episode 1. For me this episode had least amount of emotional tone between Castle & Beckett of all the Castle episode to air to date.

February 9, 2010
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I'm with abc123:

"I don't think it has been just the last three episodes that built us up to want more from Castle & Beckett.
It's the entire series, even back to episode 1. For me this episode had least amount of emotional tone between Castle & Beckett of all the Castle episode to air to date."

While i enjoyed this one (how could you not?) it just screamed FILLER! I guess everybody's got to rest sometime.

The other comment i'd echo – from several others above – too much going on and so little time for substance. Hey Writerboys – give us a little more depth and a little less breadth – pretty please.

February 9, 2010
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And I thought it was just me thinking this episode was alittle let down……I agree with GhostWriter – this one did scream filler.

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That's exactly what it felt like Filler and yet the subject being about the lead Chracter's father was weird.
The content should have been a bit deep and at least opened a door for Beckett to learn something personal about Castle, more about what makes him who he is.

I just cannot help shake the feeling that this show was toned down and edited from it's original plan.
Perhaps moving if more toward a filler episode and perhaps sweeping Castle & Beckett's interaction about his dad under the rug because it will be brought back in one of the additional episodes.

There really was nothing advanced in the episode for any of the characters or their relationships with the other. At best we Sanchez learned that Castle was raised fatherless.

February 9, 2010
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The other thing that kind of stood out for me is that Beckett said that she and her dad used to go out to Shea. Hmm.. OK. But Shea is -er- was the home of the NY Mets, not the Yankees. Joe Torre is the greatest Yankee's manager they've ever had (so far). 

Now I'm not a big baseball fan but I've lived in NYC a long time and I've never met a fan of both teams. You're going to be a fan of one OR the other….  Highly unlikely, both. At least I've never met any one who was.

Now, as a person, J.T. is terrific because he's a stand up guy who conducted himself very professionally when his bosses, er… did not.

Just saying… that kinda bugged me.

Oh and in case you're wondering I'm a Mets fan, or used to be… Laugh

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