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6:01 pm
February 4, 2010


Doz

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Hello!

Since the episode is about finding a serial killer- the tick tick tick could be referring to the fact that time is running out before the next victim shows up… know what I mean? and the 'boom!' being a new victim.. then again… I guess the serial killer could be killing people with bombs – like the unabomber did… Having bombs hidden around the place is certainly going to make for lots of suspense!!

Whoooo the serial killer could go after Beckett as they get closer to the truth.. we'll see!! Protective Castle would be wonderful indeed to see!

I am going to have a guess.. I see these two parters finishing with them wrapping up the case- and then going out with the team (cops and fbi) to celebrate and have drinks.. with all the stress of it all, they go overboard, get drunk- and the series ends with a drunk kiss between Castle and Beckett!! I know this isn't the series end- as more episodes for this season were ordered, but I say 'series end' because at one point it was being considered that wasn't it? so they may have planned it that way. ???

[Whoooo what if the FBI likes Beckett's work- and offers her a job?? that would be very cool to see!]

It must be so hard to pace a season of this show – and the season's story arc when you have no idea how many episodes are going to be in the season and they go extending it … errr not that I am complaining about extra episodes – but it must impact on the writing as a season's end will be written differently won't it.. yes?

Unless I read it somewhere in the promos or press releases I would imagine this show is not about Beckett's mother – her mother was not killed by a serial killer.. IMO

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6:09 pm
February 4, 2010


sarah_darling

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Doz:

I am going to have a guess.. I see these two parters finishing with them wrapping up the case- and then going out with the team (cops and fbi) to celebrate and have drinks.. with all the stress of it all, they go overboard, get drunk- and the series ends with a drunk kiss between Castle and Beckett!! I know this isn't the series end- as more episodes for this season were ordered, but I say 'series end' because at one point it was being considered that wasn't it? so they may have planned it that way. ???

The second season was originally 13 episodes (which would have ended on Sucker Punch), then the back nine got ordered (giving us 22 episodes), then, thankfully, ABC ordered two more episodes (bringing our grand total to 24).

These episodes were never meant to be the season finale at anytime. It seems to be a way to bring in some Desperate Housewives viewers. And more awesomeness for us! :0)

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6:20 pm
February 4, 2010


PamFromCalif

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I read the blurb awhile back before they announced the Dana Delaney tie in, it was either on Google or Yahoo alerts as I get both for Castle. They said it had something to do with the FBI and Beckett's Mom's hit. I know all scripts have an A and a B storyline line, maybe this is the B story I just don't know. I do know the blurb said it had to do with Beckett's Mom.
Remember the killer hit man was hired by people he said you can't touch. The FBI coming in would be up in the ranks of Govt. Maybe that is the tie in, Dr. Death said the killer was a type of serial killer, had killed five people, he said this in two parts being the hit man had military background. So Govt. and military tie ins, whomever hired him may be what goes on in #17-18 or have nothing to do with it. I will go back on Google and Yahoo and see if I can find the blurb, maybe some of you here if interested could help me find the blurb and post it here. Maybe the writer of the alert is guessing too, but don't they usually get press and media inside info and such before the regular public does.
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6:34 pm
February 4, 2010


sarah_darling

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pam, I honestly think you're confusing these episodes with something else. This two episode plot arc has been really tight on the forth coming info. I have Google and Yahoo alerts too and I have not seen anything mentioned regarding KB's mom since Sucker Punch. I could be wrong, but I've been searching all day and haven't come up with anything. Usually, someone on the board will post a link to any article regarding the show and since no links have been posted I seriously think you are confusing episodes.

I could be wrong though. I hope you do find the link so we can put this confusion to an end.

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7:22 pm
February 4, 2010


GreenyJess

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pamfromcalif said:

Remember the killer hit man was hired by people he said you can't touch. The FBI coming in would be up in the ranks of Govt. Maybe that is the tie in, Dr. Death said the killer was a type of serial killer, had killed five people, he said this in two parts being the hit man had military background.

Dr. Death said he was a professional. Beckett had guessed that perhaps he was a serial killer when Lanie said there had been 5 victims. But there was no doubt that he was a pro. So, there is nothing (that we have seen so far) that links Beckett's mother's murder to a serial killer.

It doesn't look to me that there will be any tie-in to Johanna's murder in this episode. Seems like they would definitely make us wait longer than this to get more of that story anyway.

7:34 pm
February 4, 2010


PamFromCalif

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To Greenyjesse I wish I could find the alert that came through a few weeks ago, I have gone back looking under Stana, Nathan, Castle and Dana but I can't find it. I thought it was interesting at that time that we weren't going to have to wait so long for another piece to the puzzle, then we all got excited about #14 and I can't find the blurb so many come through every day. So we wait and see in a month or so. Maybe as the episodes are filmed and info comes out we will then know it has nothing to do with Beckett's Mom or it does. I am hopeful I read it right and it does.

Anyone else remember this blurb come through?

7:42 pm
February 4, 2010


lacey08

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I don't think it would be tied to her murder. I think they wanted her dead to cover something up which is on a serial killer. Besides they hired people to do it which means they don't want to do it themselves. I wouldn't think that we would get another pice of the puzzle until the end of this season or season 3. That's just my thoughts on this.

8:17 pm
February 4, 2010


unniw

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Pam said: Dr. Death said the killer was a type of serial killer, had killed five people,

yes, but the serial killer turned out to be a contract killer, Dick Coonan, who was shot in episode 213 Sucker Punch. So the serial/contract killer that killed Beckett's mom is already caught and dead. Episode 217 must be about another person, a new serial killer, not talked about by Dr. Death at all.

On the other hand, the people who hired Coonan… we (except Pam) don't know when they'll pop up. Could be 217, or not. We'll see.

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8:20 pm
February 4, 2010


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What if the episode has something to do with a bomb maybe a serial killer is trying to bomb something.

10:11 pm
February 4, 2010


Admin

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Pam – there was NO news about the two parter before Dana Delany was announced so whatever you think you read about this episode back then… didn't happen. I knew about the two parter but only through an inside source and I couldn't say anything about it so was waiting for any sign of news from another source – there was no info out there about it before Delany was announced during (but not related to) the TCAs

I do seem to remember some fan speculation about Beckett's mother's killer but certainly nothing from any kind of official source.

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6:15 am
February 5, 2010


abc123

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I think there was a tv columist who noted DD's 2 episode visit, that she was playing some Federal agent who would team up with Beckett & Castle on a case. This columist did not have any plot-line details but they asked the question, could this have something to do with Beckett's mother's case. So they didn't really have an specific spoilers, they were just speculating in their article as we do on this board. I don't remember the specific columist or website, but I do remember reading it. But they did not have access to spoilers, they were just quessing.

The one thing I expect in this episode is some flirting between Castle and DD's character for sure. There has to be some flirting going on by one or both of them, I think that part of the appeal in having DD stop by Castle. NF and DD's characters played husband & wife on Desperate Housewives and this episode is going to be airing after DH's, so there is no doubt in my mind that the writers will tap into that history between the actors on some level. Another interesting part of the espisode is that they have casted a talented actor to play a partner to DD's character in both episodes, similar to what we see going on with Beckett & Castle.
So you will get 3 partners teaming up to catch a killer and all their terrific banter on the side.

Since this is going to be a pair of showcase episodes, I'm expecting lots of Castle & Beckett banter and perhaps a small tease of an advance in their relationship to keep new viewers watching. I will not be surprised if somehow either have something escalate with DD or the other guy to force them into some sort of choice at the end of the 2nd episode, sending the feds back home and leaving Castle & Beckett to continue their dance with each other and the the NYPD.

I'm also wondering, since DD's character is working for a federal agency that perhaps the original plan was to bring Beckett's ex back for these episodes and then maybe that was changed, either because the actor wasn't availabel or because they decided not to go with that storyline and shift the focus. If we don't get Beckett flirting with this federal agency guy, maybe we will get some Lainey action.

What's nice about the setup of this is, there is always room to bring either character back down the line, that is if they both live thru them, which I think they will. Castle is a light murder sort of show, while the content is dark, the characters are not, so it should be fun to watch all the humor, especially with Castle, Beckett and Dana Delaney (who's humor will fit perfectly) character.

9:44 am
February 5, 2010


Nev827

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Abc, your idea of Lanie getting some flirting in with Dana Delany's partner is a good one. That would be interesting to see.

someone earlier hinted at something else that struck me as a good idea to explore – what if these FBI agents are so impressed by Beckett's investigative skills that they offer her a job and she has to choose between leaving the NYPD (and Castle) for a great opportunity or staying. Just like Castle had to choose between staying with Beckett or leaving to go write for that certain British super agent who shall remain nameless. That'd be a great cliffhanger for the end of the first part.

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10:39 am
February 5, 2010


neodnut

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Oooh Nev that sounds very interesting indeed. Can't wait to see what happensCool

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12:47 pm
February 5, 2010


KalliopePL

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Hmm… seems to me like we discouraged Pam from posting to the forum and she unregistered…

Nev, interesting idea about FBI offering Beckett a job.

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2:50 pm
February 5, 2010


sarah_darling

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Oh well.

I can't see the FBI offering KB a job, or if they did she wouldn't have a hard time turning it down. The 12th is like a family to her. Plus, joining the FBI is something she would have considering joining when she was younger, or when Will joined (just my opinion though).

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3:16 pm
February 5, 2010


KalliopePL

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sarah_darling said:

Oh well.

I can't see the FBI offering KB a job, or if they did she wouldn't have a hard time turning it down. The 12th is like a family to her. Plus, joining the FBI is something she would have considering joining when she was younger, or when Will joined (just my opinion though).


Agree that 12th is definitely like a family to Kate and she wouldn't want to leave it :)

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3:19 pm
February 5, 2010


hrhighness

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I agree it's an interesting idea for them to have the Feds ask Beckett to join them.

But I think the whole strategy of trying to separate Beckett and Castle by putting these kinds of roadblock is getting a bit tired and predictable. They ended the first season and began the new one with them at odds over Castle's meddling with JB's case, and the possibility of not working together anymore. Then in "When the bough breaks," Castle was offered a chance to resurrect a popular spy franchise which would tear him away from Beckett if he chooses to take it.

Now, if they do decide to go that way, it would seem (to me, at least) just another attempt to put unnecessary distance between them when they haven't even moved that significantly forward. By significantly forward, I mean they haven't even started dating. Yes, I know Beckett's admission to Castle after "Sucker Punch" and the events in "The Third Man" are huge progressions in their relationship compared to what they had in S1…

I don't know. I just think it's better if they take more steps forward before they go backward again. I'm not advocating that they jump in the sack right away. Absolutely not. I just think that they should both at least get to that stage of … mutual understanding… where they both acknowledge that an exclusive romantic relationship with the other is what they want before being faced with separation yet again. Am I making any sense? I just had a bit too much coffee. My thoughts are running a little too fast to be processed properly… Bounce

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4:33 pm
February 5, 2010


nalissa2

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Somehow I don't see them officially offering Beckett a job at the FBI, but at the end of the case some kind of mutual respect is achieved and they acknowledge Beckett's contribution by offering her a left handed compliment.

Kinda like, "when you get tired of playing in the sandbox you can come join the adults…" kind of thing. Tongue

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2:10 pm
February 8, 2010


Jamz

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What a beautiful picutre of Stana on the set the other day. Love how you see her reflection in the pool of blood.

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2:51 pm
February 8, 2010


neodnut

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I saw that on her Twitter. Cool picture, she's so beautiful.

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9:26 am
February 9, 2010


Elizah

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I would be very surprised if they didn't do a "shout out" on the show to the fact that Nathan and Dana have worked together before. (not only husband & wife on Desp. Housewives, but their characters had an affair on the show Pasadena). That wouldn't necessarily mean a relationship, but perhaps just a line, like Dana's character grumbling about Castle "he reminds me of my ex-husband!" Innocent

8:55 pm
February 9, 2010


Nev827

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The other day Seamus Dever posted on his facebook page that this episode will be "intense."

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9:46 pm
February 9, 2010


Jamz

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I'm sure the banter and jokes will be in the air but when they announced this deal I figured we'd be looking at the more serious side of things.

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12:20 am
February 10, 2010


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OMGOMGOMG!

Hey everyone…I'm a newbie who has just stumbled across the site. Haven't seen this posted on here anywhere so I apologize if this should have been placed somewhere else. Anyways…here is the latest for the two-parter from TvGuide's MegaBuzz. Shock

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12:25 am
February 10, 2010


Jamz

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OMG. That is going to be intense.

mfridley,  welcome to the site. Glad you found us.

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