I feel it's best to start a new thread for talking about ratings.

Early reports looks promsing.

http://tvbb.zap2it.com/ubbthre…..s_09_28_09

nalissa2 said:

I feel it's best to start a new thread for talking about ratings.

Good idea.

ABC is in a difficult position. Castle gradually gained viewers near the end of last season. The premiere was down but it gained again last night. But the key demo is that 18-49 and Castle is averaging a 2.3 which is not that great. Usually anything under a 2.5 gets yanked.

Is maintaining (with a slight increase) viewers enough to keep it on the air? What's going to happen when DWTS isn't a lead in for it? You can see the numbers it had in the first half hour compared to the 2nd. Having said that it's been consistent in those numbers. It was good enough to get it renewed.

I think ABC waits a few more weeks to see how the numbers hold up for The Forgotten and Eastwick before making a decision. I feel confident that Castle could get a full season but it won't surprise to see ABC shuffle it with The Forgotten and Eastwick to see how they perform in different time slots.

didnt they have that same poll before season 2 was made and castle was in the red but we got season 2 anyway i dont belive any thing until abc confirms it or the writers or even actors say its true.

Tvbythenumbers is a mostly reliable site but the index has been wrong before. They seem to have it out for Castle though. They always headline their renewal/cancelation index with Castle despite having other shows perform well under it. Have to remember that they're strictly about the 18-49 demo numbers. They don't factor in other things like gaining in viewers (which Castle has done before) despite staying the same in the 18-49 demo. Or that this is an ABC production and that the cost to make it is probably cheaper. Especially compared to The Forgotten which a Jerry Bruckheimer production.

Nathan had a radio interview this morning and he said that they wouldn't know about a full season pickup for another couple months so production wouldn't be interrupted.

I'm sure we'll get the 13 episodes unless the numbers take a dive. I'm talking a 180 from what they've been doing consistently thus far. ABC coninues to include it in its ratings press release touting how it's improved in certain areas and appears happy with how well it's outperformed Leno. Remember last season it not only got beat by CSI: Miami but rarely beat out Medium if at all. It's been a strong 2nd and it's not even close this season.

I'll repeat that I think Castle's fate depends on how well the other new shows do for ABC. I'm looking at The Forgotten and Eastwick specifically.

Oops forgot the link in my original post. Here it is.

http://www.freejohnnydare.com/…..n-9-28-09/

The part where he talks about Castles fate is at the end. Around the 7:18 mark. He just mentions that the numbers are starting to roll in now and they should know about the back order pretty soon (he also mentions couple months?) so they can prepare an ending. Did I hear all that right?

Forgot to add that I think ABC would like to see how the ratings do when Debbie Mazar guest stars. Not that I think she's going to make the ratings go through the roof but a known guest star couldn't hurt at this point.

Strange…my post disappeared. I'd mentioned that it looks like DWTS has gone down…if not from last week, definitely from last season. But Castle is keeping the same numbers, and even increasing a bit. So it can't be all DWTS that's keeping us afloat, right?

Castle said:There is certainly logic in that Luna.

RE: disappearing post – did you do anything differently?

Don't think so. There was math to do, and I clicked the usual button to post. I did notice that instead of taking me to the page where I posted I got dropped over at the main forum, but just assumed other glitches were being worked out. Maybe I just did something strange without even thinking about it.

Oooh, new thought–is it because I did the math wrong? (I think I will crawl in a hole and die a little bit if that's the case  )

I was just thinking that, too. As soon as I put in the math, the option to post appears. I don't get asked math every time, but it seems when I do it's for the same threads. Does that help any?

I think and hope that ABC is looking at all the numbers, not just the live viewing, but also DVR/TiVO numbers and online watching of the show at their website or Hulu. And I hope these are good enough for them to not let this great show die.

As far as I know, ABC and Fox are the two networks that consider other viewing options when it comes to keeping a show. Like DVR/Tivo, official site, and Hulu so that could factor in even though it doesn't count in the official ratings. I think we'll see networks head in that direction eventually but it's going to be a slow transition. As of right now tv is where the money is at.

I hate to get excited about a show doing poorly but The Forgotten took a huge dip from last week. Not just in viewers but it fell to a 2.0 in the key demo. I'm sure ABC will give it a few more weeks but Castle already went ahead of it in the index rating. It would be an even bigger boost for Castle if Eastwick took a similiar fall tonight. 

I apologize if I'm hoping for the demise of a show someone likes here but it's just I want Castle to succeed first.