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Ep. 20 Post-Episode Discussion
April 13, 2010
2:56 am
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I hadn't seen anyone start this, so I hope it's ok…still too wired to go to bed!  I've heard a little mixed reaction on this ep (as well as some angry comments about Castle's behavior with Ellie at the end on other sites), but I have to say that I really liked it.  I think the scenes were especially well-acted by Nathan and Stana (some brilliant facial expressions), and there were a lot of funny lines and situations throughout.  Here are some favorites of mine:

-Tiger Woods joke

-Ryan's expression when he looks at Beckett when she says the camera adds 10 pounds to Castle's ego

-Beckett's look throughout, especially her hair in the beginning after working out, the great vest, and the burgundy striped shirt

-Beckett: "Need I remind you that you make up stuff for a living"

-Lanie's list of stuff Castle can pay her back with…and Beckett not paying attention and fooling around on her phone during that scene

-The "We should have a signature line" jokes (I like how they laugh at themselves)

-Beckett "Comforting?  Is that what the cool kids call it these days?" and later "More comforting?"

-All of Castle's post-romp discussions with Beckett…3 of them, all different, and all funny in their own way.  Didn't expect Beckett to be portrayed as so obviously jealous and Castle onto her.  The best was Beckett's expression at the white board when Castle got the "Musical" phone call from Ellie (song was different on the sneak peek I saw after the ep…what was the song?)…when Castle goes around the corner to answer it, Kate's expression is priceless.

-"Did you want a bite of this?"

-"Text giggling, really?"

-"She's an actress-a professional liar-she's paid to cry on cue"

-Castle and Beckett whispering to each other in the last interrogation and the suspect mimicing them

-"You are not a boy" and "Is this some kind of weird come-on?"

-A little squealing when Beckett asked him to go for a victory lap burger…big I think…and I loved her rant that followed when she thought he had a date with Ellie, and Castle's great smile when he told her the truth and walked away

-Now for Ellie…for me, not as bad as I expected…clearly a casual thing.  I didn't really see him saying Beckett's name in bed as a big thing (although the delivery and expression were priceless) because to me it was simply Castle thinking about Beckett's suspicion and not Beckett.  I was not so happy at the end when he said it was the most fun he'd had being used (although some are seeing this as sleazy, I simply see it as sad…Castle has been hurt by a number of shallow women and obviously has trust issues he needs to overcome…he even questioned Alexis at the end about being truthful about missing him).

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April 13, 2010
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Thanks for starting the thread. You pretty much touched on everything I loved about it. A lot of suprise lol moments for me.

Beckett and Castle mentioning the actual tag lines used for the show was greatness.

I don't know how Stana pulls out the faces she does but please keep them coming. The one where Castle takes the call from Ellie behind the white board was priceless. Really enjoyed when she was trying not to laugh when the network president said he was with Ellie.

The whole scene with the producer wanting to kill Bobby Mann again. She didn't care he was dead she wanted to see the corpse. And then taking off after her daughter. I had tears rolling down. I don't even know if it was supposed to be that funny but gawd I was cracking up.

The network president storming out of the Captain's office and laying into Castle and Beckett. So over the top but funny. And watching Beckett and Castle look at the Captain before he goes back into his office.

I loved Beckett asking him out for a burger and not gloating at being right about Ellie.

Beckett really plays the jealous part well. But Castle set the bait at the end by being vague on who his date was and she fell for it easily. Loved both reactions when he revealed it was Alexis.

dmcw, my only complaint about the episode is the same as yours. Ellie didn't bother me as much as I thought she would. I still don't like her for the part of Nikki so that will be interesting to see how that plays out. Will she return or just lose out when the time comes. Hell, I don't even care that Castle slept with her anymore. My problem is that he seemed to enjoy being used by her. Wrong, just wrong Castle. You have more issues to work out than I thought you did.

I know there's more but I have to be up in 5 hours so I'll talk with everyone in the morning.

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April 13, 2010
3:30 am
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So Jimmy Kimmel's 'spoiler' was misdirection after all ! With the paperback release announcement (which I'm sure matches the real release date) this show keeps playing it very well.

Loved Stana's expression as always,  in the last scene going from anger to ?what ? to embarrassed to he-got-me-again and finally to so-sweet in a few seconds.

April 13, 2010
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Ditto above. Castle actually enjoying the fact that he had been used by Ellie then asking Alexis about honestly missing him… kinda gross, lol Undecided. This ep did surprise me a lot with the lol moments too!  I thought the whole murder plot was pretty amusing–juiced spiked with balsamic vinegar, really?! ROFL Can't wait to rewatch with Tom Bergeron's commentary tomorrow, maybe I'll notice something new to mention.

….I totally can't wait for the sparring with Demming next ep! The promo may have been edited to make it seem like Castle actually wants to watch them go at it? Can't wait. Bounce

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April 13, 2010
5:11 am
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Oh my, fan-girl in me squealing. Ok, haven't processed it yet, so what I extremely loved about this episode –

Castle's smile as Beckett rants about him going on another date with Ellie. What GREAT acting! Not a word, just a smile, and it was priceless. Said it all — "she's jealous", "she does care about me" and "I'm so reeling her in" Bounce2

And Beckett, trying oh so casually to invite him out to what has now become "their place" since I assume Remy's Burgers is what she meant. ("The Third Man")

Sigh, this shipper is happy sailing. Love

April 13, 2010
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'Have a nice life…sentence.' Bounce2Bounce2Bounce2FTW line for the episode for me. haha =))

i can't believe Castle did it with Ellie more than once. Crazy2 really don't like that girl.

i wish Castle went with Beckett to get that burger..oh Castle castle. tsk. haha. and jealous beckett…always ftw =))

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April 13, 2010
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The episode was good, the murder case was interesting. What a weird way to kill someone.

 

Castle sleeping with Ellie, I had no problem with it. Yes, he may have some issues, but I suppose most guys likes to be used from time to time. But I don't want her as Nikki Heat tho.

 

Most of the good scenes have already been mentioned, but it was fun seeing Beckett jealous. Next time I guess it's Castle's time to get jealous. It even does seems like he gets pushed out on the sidelines as well.

 

Pity he didn't accept the burger offer, but Alexis is the most important woman in his life anyway so.

April 13, 2010
7:23 am
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i completely agree with all of the above comments. but i loved it when Castle checked twitter to see where bobby mann had been that night and Beckett didn't know what FTW meant. haha made me laugh. 

i hope that ellie doesn't end up playing nikki heat in the movie though. she doesn't really suit the character, at least that's what i think.

But definitely another impressive ep of Castle. smile

April 13, 2010
7:47 am
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So, is Beckett's little grin at the end because she's:

1) amused at herself for overreacting?

2) touched that Castle is excited about Alexis returning?

3) happy that he isn't planning to see the actress again?

some combination?  some other reason?

 

Definitely enjoyed the Beckett/Castle interchanges in this episode.

Text giggling? Really?
April 13, 2010
7:54 am
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My favorite part of the episode had to be Beckett's reaction to his first "morning after".  When he says "Good morning, Detective" in that self-satisfied voice she immediately comes to the (incorrect) conclusion that he was faking the voice to get her goat.  But when she realizes he actually DID get laid, her entire demeanor changed.  Good thing for her the boys came in and distracted Castle before he realized she'd put her foot in her mouth with that "I'm a trained detective" line.

 

Second favorite part was the last scene with Beckett and Castle, when Beckett thinks Castle is going to see Elle again.  Her exasperation/disbelief was simply perfect.  From Beckett's perspective it was bad enough that he allowed himself to be seduced by Elle in the first place, but at least that was an honest mistake, and Beckett know's he's a sucker for a pretty face.  But for him to willingly go out with a person he KNOWS used him to further her own career?  That's stupid and unforgivable, and she really started to work herself into a lather over it.

 

Can't wait for the next episode.  As a fan of both Firefly and BSG, it makes me happy to see actors and actresses from both shows make guest appearances.  And while I'm on the subject, does Castle get filmed anywhere near "V"'s set?  I'd love to know if Nathan Fillion gets to see Morena Baccarin from time to time, and Alan Tudyk was a character for a couple episodes as well.

 

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April 13, 2010
8:17 am
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This episode was awesome! There were great one liners and the reference were hilarious. Case in point: mickey not so fine haha I loved Castle bringing twitter into it, and one of my favourite lines was "My tweet kicks your tweet's butt". I actually died laughing at that. I also loved Kate and Castle's exchange the morning after Castle's 'comforting' with Ellie. And I like that Kate is starting to be come less subtle about her jealousy towards Ellie. For example, her facial expressions when she's viewing the murder board after Ellie calls. It's great that Castle is picking up on Kate's jealousy too. Especially in the last scene where Kate flips out because she thinks he's going on a date with Ellie.. again.

One final note: Mr. Castle, when Kate asks you out for burgers, you do not refuse! I know you had plans with Alexis, but you could always plan the burger 'date' for another night. smile

All in all, this episode was really good! And I'm sure there are more things that I forgot to touch on. The promo for 2x21 looks awesome! Is it Monday yet?

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April 13, 2010
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tambourineman said:

Castle sleeping with Ellie, I had no problem with it. Yes, he may have some issues, but I suppose most guys likes to be used from time to time. But I don't want her as Nikki Heat tho.



Yes, I agree tambourineman. In fact, I was actually kind of glad we finally got to see Castle living up to his reputation. I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't want him to be a man-slut or anything like that, but for everyone always portraying him as this millionaire playboy, we haven't really seen it until now. Cause let's face it, sleeping with your ex-wife doesn't exactly qualify as a player move. Like I said, don't jump all over me. I don't want him to sleep around all over the place but since they had that as part of his character description it was good that they showed it a little I think…oh and plus it's great to see Beckett jealous!

 

 

Gastropod said:

So, is Beckett's little grin at the end because she's:

1) amused at herself for overreacting?

2) touched that Castle is excited about Alexis returning?

3) happy that he isn't planning to see the actress again?

some combination?  some other reason?

 

Definitely enjoyed the Beckett/Castle interchanges in this episode.


 

I was wondering the exact same thing Gastropod! Maybe she was grinning because she just remembered that tasty cookie she ate last night! Haha, jk. Laugh But that's really the beauty of something open ended like that I suppose. Take your pick! Each reason could all just as likely be true and they leave it for us to interpret however we see fit. I say, all of the above. Smile

 

Super great episode and so much more I could say but I'm late for work…

 

 

April 13, 2010
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While I enjoyed the ep in terms of banter and the murder mystery itself, I felt it kinda soured for me on that last scene with Castle and Ellie. I had no issue with him seeing her casually–although them roleplaying Nikki Heat was a touch odd–I just didn't like the idea of her being rewarded for her deception with the thing she was after in the first place… the role of Nikki Heat in the upcoming movie. I just feel like it sends a lousy message… yes, sleeping your way to the top does work… and that it is a touch counter to what's been established about Castle's character. In the Season 1 episode "Ghosts", despite the way the ghostwriter was coming on to him, he made a point of not rewarding her because he felt her actions were slimy. Is sleeping one's way into a part any less slimy?

 

Anyways, since I quite enjoyed the other 95% of the episode, I suppose I can't really complain. The murder mystery was cool–I liked them trying to narrow down the window of when the victim could've been poisoned. Jealous Beckett–always a good time. I'm sure I'll re-watch the episode today and it'll sit better afterwards.

 
April 13, 2010
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wynnara said:

While I enjoyed the ep in terms of banter and the murder mystery itself, I felt it kinda soured for me on that last scene with Castle and Ellie. I had no issue with him seeing her casually–although them roleplaying Nikki Heat was a touch odd–I just didn't like the idea of her being rewarded for her deception with the thing she was after in the first place… the role of Nikki Heat in the upcoming movie. I just feel like it sends a lousy message… yes, sleeping your way to the top does work… and that it is a touch counter to what's been established about Castle's character. In the Season 1 episode "Ghosts", despite the way the ghostwriter was coming on to him, he made a point of not rewarding her because he felt her actions were slimy. Is sleeping one's way into a part any less slimy?

 


 

I don't view it as her being rewarded. I believe she was the front runner before she slept with him. She just didn't know it, at least that was the impression I got.

As for Castle being "used" I think it's something he's used to by now. He likes to think that people like him for who he is (like Kate) and not what he can do for them. But if being "used" involves being bedded by a pretty starlet… well a man like Castle -who is not in a personal relationship- would be the last person to object.

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April 13, 2010
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Gastropod said:

So, is Beckett's little grin at the end because she's:

1) amused at herself for overreacting?

2) touched that Castle is excited about Alexis returning?

3) happy that he isn't planning to see the actress again?

some combination?  some other reason?

 


Yes, I think probably a little of all of the above, but I love how she shook her head, too, and to me, that was probably mostly #1…"Oh I totally fell for it…what is wrong with me?"

 

wynnara said:

While I enjoyed the ep in terms of banter and the murder mystery itself, I felt it kinda soured for me on that last scene with Castle and Ellie. I had no issue with him seeing her casually–although them roleplaying Nikki Heat was a touch odd–I just didn't like the idea of her being rewarded for her deception with the thing she was after in the first place… the role of Nikki Heat in the upcoming movie. I just feel like it sends a lousy message… yes, sleeping your way to the top does work… and that it is a touch counter to what's been established about Castle's character. In the Season 1 episode "Ghosts", despite the way the ghostwriter was coming on to him, he made a point of not rewarding her because he felt her actions were slimy. Is sleeping one's way into a part any less slimy?


 Yeah, I didn't like the whole role playing Nikki Heat thing (although the water gun was a nice, playful touch), but that's probably because I think only Beckett should be doing that role play with Castle!  I agree that he handled Ellie very differently than the writer in "Ghosts", but he was also sleeping with Ellie, so perhaps that colored his judgement.  I really hope they don't bring this character back at some point if there is more about the Heat Wave movie…I agree with Beckett…she's no Nikki Heat!

 

nalissa2 said:  

As for Castle being "used" I think it's something he's used to by now. He likes to think that people like him for who he is (like Kate) and not what he can do for them. But if being "used" involves being bedded by a pretty starlet… well a man like Castle -who is not in a personal relationship- would be the last person to object.


 I agree, Nalissa.  That probably comes with the territory for a lot of famous people…and there was a nice parallel in the episode with Bobby Mann's situation (how he goes to his first ex-wife who really loved him when he was feeling insecure).   That's why Kate is so perfect for him…even though she is a fan, she isn't charmed by his fame and appreciates him for who he is.

 

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