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Ep 23 - Post Episode Discussion
May 11, 2010
6:14 pm
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GhostWriter said:

i've given up on watching Bones for the relationship – and now just watch because the messy mysteries fascinate me (though if they don't re-humanize Brennan i may give up altogether; the robot scientist they've turned her into lately annoys me).  

On the flip side, I haven't really been watching Castle for the mysteries – it's the various flavours of relationships and the banter between/among all the characters that holds my attention here. I don't need Beckett and Castle together as a romantic couple – at least not yet – but i do need them together as partners – so the 'building theory' session with Demming as a confused audience made the episode worthwhile in and of itself.  The Ryan/Espo/Castle by-play also fits the bill.  The line about sex and the city only with boys alone is worth the hour I invested last night.  I'd like a few more scenes between Kate and Lanie but agree that the writers can only do so much with 43 minutes running time.  

The last few shows have been heavier than some of the earlier ones – but so be it.  Just so long as i get my banter fix i shall continue to watch.  Hell – they are all so pretty, i may watch even without a regular banter fix.  The only thing that will put me off is if i start to want to holler at the characters "oh grow up" or "get your head out of [lets be polite and say] the clouds – wake up and smell the coffee" on a regular basis.  and i'm a long way from that (well, except when Castle slept with Ellie) so far.  

I don't know who said it above and i can't find the reference – but i endorse the thought that we all should have faith that Mr. Marlowe and company will make things interesting and keep the show humming along – at least well into season three.  A cliffhanger is a given, but the show has been renewed, so even if Beckett or Castle says 'i'm done' with the other next week – you've just got to know that Caskett ain't over (and there's no fat lady to sing, so it can't be over).

If you don't like how fast the writers are putting Castle and Beckett together – go read the fan fiction.  That stuff has every permutation and combination (not to say kink) possible between/among all the characters.  Kissing in the precinct is the least of the misbehaviour – try quickies in the alley or elevator… it'll keep you [we] 'shippers going in the meantime.  


 

I've been watching Bones lately for Hodgens and Angela.  Booth and Bones have become tedious and the mysteries really haven't grabbed my attention.  In the last several months Castle has taken the place of Bones as my latest obsession.  It's not realistic, in my mind, to see Caskett together yet.  The forward progress in their relationship has been so entertaining to watch that I'm just enjoying the journey. 

if Marlowe and Co. continue to write  compelling stories and stay true to their characters (which I think so many shows don't) I'm in it for the long haul.

May 11, 2010
6:17 pm
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Nev827 said:

Thanks for posting the pictures Tajia.  Tell me, how did you get them all to line up nicely in rows of three like you did?  I can never get that to happen when I post screencaps.  Thanks.
 


 

I don't know – I just add the images normally and put one space between each of them. I think it also has a lot to do with the shape of the images.

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May 11, 2010
6:43 pm
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Love all of those screencaps! One of my personal favorite moments was between Ryan and Castle in the break room. He's so got Castle figured out…

Ryan: Oooh, you wanna be one to crack it, not Demming, right?

Castle: They guy's not even homicide. Doesn't it bug you, just a little?

Ryan: Maybe a little, but that's not why it bugs you, is it?

 

I wouldn't rate as one of my all-time favorites, but it was still fun all the same. I thought the case was very interesting. It was especially entertaining when Castle and Demming both "won" but it took Beckett to point it out to them. Demming is serving his purpose…rallying Castle to action. I won't be upset if they put Demming in the first episode or two of season 3, just so his disappearance isn't so abrupt (like I felt Will's was). But I will also be delighted when Demming's services are no longer needed. Laugh

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May 11, 2010
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Hey I have a question….not sure if anyone else said this, so sorry if I'm repeating.

 

In the promo pics, there's a pic of Castle touching Beckett's hair…what happened to that? I haven't watched it again yet, and only caught a few looks at the tv around that time of the scene- I was multi-tasking with studying so I wasn't sure if they kept that part out or not.

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May 11, 2010
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Cas-kett said:

Hey I have a question….not sure if anyone else said this, so sorry if I'm repeating.

 

In the promo pics, there's a pic of Castle touching Beckett's hair…what happened to that? I haven't watched it again yet, and only caught a few looks at the tv around that time of the scene- I was multi-tasking with studying so I wasn't sure if they kept that part out or not.


 

Pretty sure that was a behind the scenes picture.

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May 11, 2010
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CastleFan66 said:

Van said:

jrabbit said:

- then there was that Dang Kiss between Beckett and DemonAngry ok it was not to bad. BUT Like others have said this seems to be a HUGE step for Beckett. She's started off being a logical, no nonsense person. Castle has opened / softened her up over the past 33 episodes to the point where she can show affection to someone "in the office".


 The kiss itself didn't bother me.  I think the fact that she did it in the precinct is what bothered me.  I can see her dating guys on the job….but not on the job.  To this point she's been painted as a professional who wants to protect her status in a male dominated field.  All of that went out of the window with that kiss and the whole Beckett persona up to now. 
 
Newstandgal…..Castle's vulnerable side was really revealed in this episode.  He does have a facade.  As long as Beckett was single he was fine…even if she wasn't with him.  It's obvious that Castle is just as afraid as Beckett has been.   


 
Van, I have a question for you – was it unprofessional of Ryan to kiss Jenny at the precinct when she visited him?

I guess I disagree that it was unprofessional..it was a good-bye kiss at the end of the day, when most went home (she even thought Castle went home) and the kiss wasn't out in the open, it was almost behind closed doors (doorway).  If the kiss was more than it was, maybe that would have been unprofessional.  Just my opinion though. 

 


 

CastleFan…..Sometimes I channel my inner Beckett and assume way too much about the character.  I thought that Beckett was more of not mixing business with pleasure type of girl. Moreso because women in law enforcement have to work twice as hard to prove themselves than their male counterparts. In the Third Man part of her anger at Castle for the article is how it would be received at her job.  So to then see her have a candle lit date and this week a kiss in the precinct seemed out of character not unprofessional. Obviously some of the Beckett onion layers have been peeled and Kate is emerging as Starbeeper so nicely put it.

May 11, 2010
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Wow!  such great intelligent, respectful comments from everyone.  My general thoughtrs were that this wouldn't go down as one of my favorite episodes, but it was still solid.  I love how the writers manage to write a compelling mystery, interweave it with the Castle-Beckett relationship, and still make room for some twists and turns and humor.  Now onto more specific parts that i liked:

  • I also noticed Beckett's red coat from that uber-sexy promo. 
  • Liked the back-and-forth between Castle and Martha at the beginning and Alexis’ saying that Castle should lose “Schlemming” from his book
  • Castle was being really immature in the beginning – wiping off the murder board (I'm surprised she didn't notice and call him on it, it seems to me that she'd be ticked if someone messed with her murder board), & throwing the “boyfriend” factor in Beckett’s face.  And I didn't think the scene where Beckett says it's none of Castle's business was overdone at all.  I'm actually glad she stood up to him because it's not his business.  She's a private person let's not forget and Castle tends to blab so it makes sense that she'd want to keep it to herself. 
  • Castle: I don’t know why everyone is jumping to the conclusion that there was a robbery? & Beckett: Maybe because something is missing?
  • The Sex and The City references “Don’t you mean Miranda and Samantha?”  I never watched the show, but found it hilarious when Beckett called Castle a metrosexual.  BTW she did that before – in The Third Man when they were at someone's apartment and Castle was marveling at the furnishings (when he said "Gorgeous" in that high-pitched voice).
  • The shaving cream bit in the victim’s apartment and later
  • Beckett & Lanie’s exchange at the beginning.  Good to have Lanie back!
  • Montgomery seemed to be there almost as an afterthought.  I know there's only so much time to go around and having Demming in the mix makes it even harder, but I'm starting to miss the Captain like I missed Lanie last week.
  • Demming’s facial expressions at Castle & Castle’s facial expressions back
  • Martha: Sometimes in life you just have to accept the fact that not everything is going to go your way.  Loved it!
  • Beckett’s telling Castle that she and Demming were haring a cab.  At first I thought this was reluctance stemming from embarrassment, but now I think she either didn't want to hurt his feelings which means she knows how much he cares about her and cares for him back, or she felt, like she did earlier that it really wasn't any of his business, but I have to give him something.  
  • Ryan: Beckett’s a good cop. She can canvas and make goo-goo eyes at the same time.  Laugh
  • Ryan: That’s not why it bugs you huh?  another Laugh
  • Esposito & the soda machine.  That was not only funny but HOT!  He did it so smoothly too!  So drool-worthy!    Love2
  • Demming’s “Tell me about it.”
  • Tell Martha your problem Castle!  I really thought he'd spill it to his mother how Demming was bothering him.  But as others have said, the fact that he admitted that something was wrong is a big step for him.
  • Tom can’t get a word in edgewise while Beckett & Castle build theory.  And is it me or is anyone else beginning to see how that's Castle & Beckett's version of foreplay?  I can see the two of them get excited and look intensely into each other's eyes every time.  And I thought it was great how Demming was left on the sidelines.  He can put out all the "feelers" he wants on the street to help with cases, but he'll never match Beckett & Castle's building theory. 
  • I also liked how Beckett figured out the murderer herself, how she reenacted the crime (throwback to last season), and how it turned out that both Demming & Castle were right. 
  • The hysterical lab tech & Beckett’s being able to translate.  Hysterical!  Funniest part of the episode.  Bounce2

And regarding Castle's seeing Beckett & Demming kiss, a part of me did feel very bad for Castle, but a bigger part of me didn’t.  He still hasn’t made any kind of a serious play for her.  I think the puppy dog face act has gone on long enough – he needs to man up and go after her or back off.  And for God’s sake stop keeping it all to yourself!  As an article on IMDb from yesterday said, Demming has been willing to put himself out there for Beckett, and for some reason Castle isn't.  Makes it all the more interesting how he's the one who counseled said that the heart wants what the heart wants last week.  Now who seems reluctant to take the risk?  I guess maybe both of them are to a degree.  Please don't read these comments as Castle hating – I felt for the guy seeing Beckett & Demming kissing.  But I would have felt for him even more if he had made some kind of play for her or been more overt in expressing his feelings (like bringing her flowers or some other kind of gift as a congratulations) and then saw the two of them.  And, I think others have brought this up too, but for as smart as Beckett is, how is it she didn’t realize that these two weren’t just competing to solve the crime – but competing for her heart?  How could she have missed that one was clearly jealous of the other?  She talks quite a bit about the male ego, it just seems odd for her not to have figured THAT one out.

 

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May 11, 2010
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CastleFan…..Sometimes I channel my inner Beckett and assume way too much about the character.  I thought that Beckett was more of not mixing business with pleasure type of girl. Moreso because women in law enforcement have to work twice as hard to prove themselves than their male counterparts. In the Third Man part of her anger at Castle for the article is how it would be received at her job.  So to then see her have a candle lit date and this week a kiss in the precinct seemed out of character not unprofessional. Obviously some of the Beckett onion layers have been peeled and Kate is emerging as Starbeeper so nicely put it.


 Van – That is EXACTLY what I was trying to say earlier – but I don't have a way with words.  Thanks for your post!

May 11, 2010
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jrabbit said:

Van said:

CastleFan…..Sometimes I channel my inner Beckett and assume way too much about the character.  I thought that Beckett was more of not mixing business with pleasure type of girl. Moreso because women in law enforcement have to work twice as hard to prove themselves than their male counterparts. In the Third Man part of her anger at Castle for the article is how it would be received at her job.  So to then see her have a candle lit date and this week a kiss in the precinct seemed out of character not unprofessional. Obviously some of the Beckett onion layers have been peeled and Kate is emerging as Starbeeper so nicely put it.


Van – That is EXACTLY what I was trying to say earlier – but I don't have a way with words.  Thanks for your post!
 


 

Actually it's not just women in law enforcement. ANY woman who works in a male dominated workplace or industry- or maybe any logical and sensible career woman at that – would avoid anything that might compromise her position or reputation, especially if she's worked hard to get where she is. 

May 11, 2010
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newsstandgal said:

jrabbit said:

Van said:

CastleFan…..Sometimes I channel my inner Beckett and assume way too much about the character.  I thought that Beckett was more of not mixing business with pleasure type of girl. Moreso because women in law enforcement have to work twice as hard to prove themselves than their male counterparts. In the Third Man part of her anger at Castle for the article is how it would be received at her job.  So to then see her have a candle lit date and this week a kiss in the precinct seemed out of character not unprofessional. Obviously some of the Beckett onion layers have been peeled and Kate is emerging as Starbeeper so nicely put it.


Van – That is EXACTLY what I was trying to say earlier – but I don't have a way with words.  Thanks for your post!
 


 
Actually it's not just women in law enforcement. ANY woman who works in a male dominated workplace or industry- or maybe any logical and sensible career woman at that – would avoid anything that might compromise her position or reputation, especially if she's worked hard to get where she is. 


 

Newsstandgal – that is exactly my angst about this episode, well said.  And these 2 things were such a 180 from the Beckett that has been shown over the last year.  If it had happened at the coffee shop next door, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. 

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I'm not surprised by the negative reactions there has been. Personally, I think part of it stems from the opinion that Beckett is not with the right guy and yet she's indulging it in a way she never tried to with Castle because there's been "some flash" in his life. One can understand safe, in fact nothing is wrong with safe, as long as it's with the right person. Demming is not the right person so being safe is not right but he is slow and steady and not flashy (and these are good and necessary things for a stable relationship), but there's a reason why she's attracted to Castle. There may be "some flash" in his life but as Beckett had found out (ie Kyra), it's not defined by it. However Castle has been far too unstable for Beckett to want to risk it with him. But these are bumps in the road that Castle and Beckett need to go through before they can become a couple.

"My partner is crazy and may start firing at any moment." – Castle speaking in Chinese about Beckett Beckett: (about Natalie Rhodes) She took my coffee, Castle! Beckett: Alakazam, jackass. Esposito: "Listen to me. You're too late. The cops already know all about...me and your mom." Beckett: "I put a lot of people in this place. Some of them want to kill me, others never been treated so fairly in their lives - so they form an attachment to me. It’s like I’m their favorite schoolteacher. Some of those people might visit you while you’re in here, like the ghosts that visit Scrooge. And after some time with them, you might find yourself a changed man. So I will be back here, week after week, to ask you who hired you, until that miracle occurs."
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Very strong reaction to this ep.  That is good I suppose, makes for more fun the forums at least.  ABC has like 3 threads worth of negativity on this ep. 

I personally thought it was ok, not bottom 3 but not top ten.  The last 2 minutes made the ep for me.  Castle and his watching the kiss and then his turning away, it was very poignant, NF pulled it off well.  Give this ep a B, basically that last scene pulled the grade up.

My major problem with this ep was Beckett, she did not seem in character to me.  Maybe due to the lack of B/C interaction, or just that as others have said this ep was mostly Castle's POV.  She did seem snarky/mean to Castle at least twice, not her normal playful replies, but just mean. 

Loved the R/E/C moments the best.  I kinda wish Beckett wasn't even in this ep and it was just the boys solving the case.  She could have been off with Demming somewhere and honestly I wouldn't have missed her. 

Oh well, on to the season finale with little hope of anything good happening for us viewers or Rick Castle.

 

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May 11, 2010
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mig991 said:

My major problem with this ep was Beckett, she did not seem in character to me.  Maybe due to the lack of B/C interaction, or just that as others have said this ep was mostly Castle's POV.  She did seem snarky/mean to Castle at least twice, not her normal playful replies, but just mean. 

 


 

I beyond agree!

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mig991 said:

Very strong reaction to this ep.  That is good I suppose, makes for more fun the forums at least.  ABC has like 3 threads worth of negativity on this ep. 

I personally thought it was ok, not bottom 3 but not top ten.  The last 2 minutes made the ep for me.  Castle and his watching the kiss and then his turning away, it was very poignant, NF pulled it off well.  Give this ep a B, basically that last scene pulled the grade up.

My major problem with this ep was Beckett, she did not seem in character to me.  Maybe due to the lack of B/C interaction, or just that as others have said this ep was mostly Castle's POV.  She did seem snarky/mean to Castle at least twice, not her normal playful replies, but just mean. 

Loved the R/E/C moments the best.  I kinda wish Beckett wasn't even in this ep and it was just the boys solving the case.  She could have been off with Demming somewhere and honestly I wouldn't have missed her. 

Oh well, on to the season finale with little hope of anything good happening for us viewers or Rick Castle.

 


 

mig I could not agree more!  Very well said.

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May 11, 2010
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Whether she has or hasn't had sex with Demming isn't what is being debated?  The kiss in the precinct is what has some talking?  I myself didn't think the kiss was any big deal…it was a good-bye kiss in a remote area and her thinking most people were gone (even Castle)…..I mean Ryan kissed Jenny in the precinct when she visited.  So I'm thinking that when (and we all know it will happen) Castle and Beckett do finally get together, are some saying there should be no PDA in the precinct?


In all honesty it frustrated me mostly because it's just so OOC for Beckett. She's always held her feelings very close to her and not out in the open and suddenly she's kissing in the middle of the precinct? Just OOC.
 


I totally get what you are saying about it being out of character for Beckett, but these past few episodes (as said above) we are seeing another side of "Kate"..Beckett the cop is not a "sharer" but maybe Kate the woman needs to be at times…
 


 

But it's the fact that we haven't seen her as Kate the woman before this sudden change. She was more guarded in previous episodes and then BAM! Girly Kate. It's just OOC. The writers spent months and months telling us the long story of Kate being a guarded person and then it's all thrown away for a kiss in the hallway.

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