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12:54 pm
February 27, 2010
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Jamz said:
My head hurts after watching all those clips. Strangely enough I'm also feeling really good about the finale even more now.
Beckett's been trying to avoid making Castle feel like a 3rd wheel and the awkwardness that comes with that imo. While she recognized her feelings for him in Food To Die For she also dismissed a relationship with him ever going anywhere. Since she's moving on with Demming and even though he's been hanging around she's still trying to keep it seperate and private. Good intentions but she's been caught lying twice now and it's really made any awkwardness by telling him the truth even worse. Kind of a no win situation for her. She tells him the truth and hurts him anyway without even knowing it.
Up til this episode I don't think she's aware that he has feelings for her beyond friends, partners, and pulling pig tails stage. Since we've just started seeing Castle figure it out himself why would she?
But something happens to make her wonder about it before Esposito talks to her. Whatever it is it happens between the time Castle asks her to The Hamptons and that scene with Demming. For a girl who is supposedly going away for the weekend with her boyfriend she sure doesn't look excited. Not only that but she gives a vague answer of let me look into it and the way she tries to collect herself before turning back to Castle. She's also watching his reaction a little too closely after she talks about being with Tom now and not wanting anyone to be uncomfortable. Makes me think someone tells her something and she's trying to see it for herself in that scene. She has even more to think about when he talks about taking a break. She wants to believe he'll be back but she has two issues to think about now. And it's really hammered home when Esposito confirms it to her. She looks scared in that clip.
I tend to agree with you, Jamz.
And I decided before the whole Demming arc began that I'd take my hands off the wheel and go along for the ride. I want to see what the writers and actors have in store for us rather than drawing conclusions based on incomplete data. I think that may be because I'm as fascinated by the /telling/ of the story as by the story itself.
12:55 pm
October 10, 2009
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In my view, Beckett has feelings for Castle, but refuses to follow them because she thinks she'll get hurt in the end, as she told us in Food to Die For. Demming seems like a nice guy, why would she not check out a relationship with him?! Demming is offering romance and relationship where Castle has only wanted sex and friendship (friends with benefits?). Demming and Beckett have been dating for some weeks, I would not fault her for going with him to his beach house. It's not too fast in my view. Although she's one and done when it comes to marriage she doesn't need to date for ages before having sex for her to be in character, as long as it's not on the first date or two she's still the same Beckett to me.
And I wouldn't call it lying, that she tries to keep her private life private, if they are lies they are as white as they get. If someone was writing sexy crime novels based on my life, I would guard a beginning relationship by any means available. And, Beckett probably caught on to some of the tension last few episodes, and tried to avoid upsetting Castle. Of course, that never works, as she herself acknowledged in the sneak peek, but it's so human to try anyway.
So I find Beckett in character, and still acting honorable.
1:26 pm
September 5, 2009
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unniw said:
In my view, Beckett has feelings for Castle, but refuses to follow them because she thinks she'll get hurt in the end, as she told us in Food to Die For. Demming seems like a nice guy, why would she not check out a relationship with him?! Demming is offering romance and relationship where Castle has only wanted sex and friendship (friends with benefits?). Demming and Beckett have been dating for some weeks, I would not fault her for going with him to his beach house. It's not too fast in my view. Although she's one and done when it comes to marriage she doesn't need to date for ages before having sex for her to be in character, as long as it's not on the first date or two she's still the same Beckett to me.
And I wouldn't call it lying, that she tries to keep her private life private, if they are lies they are as white as they get. If someone was writing sexy crime novels based on my life, I would guard a beginning relationship by any means available. And, Beckett probably caught on to some of the tension last few episodes, and tried to avoid upsetting Castle. Of course, that never works, as she herself acknowledged in the sneak peek, but it's so human to try anyway.
So I find Beckett in character, and still acting honorable.
I agree with you. It's always a joy to read your views and thoughts.
I know I've been in a similiar position as her. Lying isn't the answer but I believe her intentions are good. She's human and capable of making mistakes like anyone else. She at least admits it was wrong and hopefully learns a lesson there.
I know I learned mine. And I know I'm not a lying, deceitful, manipulative, slut either. I'd hate to make it awkward for anyone if I continue to post here if that's how they feel though.
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1:42 pm
March 3, 2010
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I see this differently than most people. I don't see this part coming at the very end of the episode, rather, I see it towards the beginning. I think he's asked her what her plans are, she says she's busy. It sounds like it's the first time she's heard of him going to the Hamptons, so I don't think he's asked her about going with him yet, like we've seen in the other peeks. He refers to the case as "this case," which, to me, means they haven't solved it yet, or it's near the beginning of it. I think he would've referred to it differently if it was in the past.
Again, it's all those layers of the Beckett Onion that we are still unpeeling. I think we're going to be in for an interesting finale.
2:22 pm
January 20, 2010
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unniw said:
In my view, Beckett has feelings for Castle, but refuses to follow them because she thinks she'll get hurt in the end, as she told us in Food to Die For. Demming seems like a nice guy, why would she not check out a relationship with him?! Demming is offering romance and relationship where Castle has only wanted sex and friendship (friends with benefits?). Demming and Beckett have been dating for some weeks, I would not fault her for going with him to his beach house. It's not too fast in my view. Although she's one and done when it comes to marriage she doesn't need to date for ages before having sex for her to be in character, as long as it's not on the first date or two she's still the same Beckett to me.
And I wouldn't call it lying, that she tries to keep her private life private, if they are lies they are as white as they get. If someone was writing sexy crime novels based on my life, I would guard a beginning relationship by any means available. And, Beckett probably caught on to some of the tension last few episodes, and tried to avoid upsetting Castle. Of course, that never works, as she herself acknowledged in the sneak peek, but it's so human to try anyway.
So I find Beckett in character, and still acting honorable.
The quote got posted and my resonse didn't? Let me try again.
I agree with the first part of what you said Unniw. Beckett has every right to go out with Demming. Castle didn't even know what he wanted until the last couple of episodes. She's an adult and can do what she likes.
I disagree with the second statement. She most definately was lying. She didn't want to deal with the possible fallout. She wasn't the one who came out with the I wanted to keep my personal life seperate and private Castle gave her that out. She said she didn't want things to be awkward. If she wanted things to be private she wouldn't be sharing candle lit dinners and Kisses at the precinct. Esposito and Ryan noticed why wouldn't Castle. And as Pedalinginhummus said below she has done it before. Just never for such an obviously self serving motive. I don't blame her. People try to avoid embarrassment, and conflict. People make mistakes. She's human.
The thing which annoys me more is what I percieve as her treating Castle more like she did in season 1 like an annoying tag along. Recently when she and Demming were going to interview a suspect Castle asked if he could sit in and she laughed it off. She has always teased him but lately it seemed more pointed. She is bringing Demming in on cases. Before we would see a detective from vice or the gang task force come in to consult about a specific question not a whole case. She is taking it for granted that Castle will always be around. This isn't to say Castle hasn't taken her for granted as well. Demming is her guy now and Castle feels like the third wheel so he trys to gracefully bow out. I do think that if they are apart for the summer that this time it will be Beckett looking to get Castle back. A reverse of last year. Maybe Ryan or Espo will come to Castle and ask him back because Beckett's on the warpath. It looks like it will be great episode. Just my view.
2:58 pm
May 8, 2010
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IMO, we wouldn't get to watch Beckett to dismiss Demming. We'll be left hanging from a cliff ( <– that's me, pulling a Ziva) when Castle reveals his true fellings to her, and asks to make her choice while he goes away.
hey, why don't we share our thoughts about how this season will end or what's the cliffhanger would be. Tequila cyber shots would be on the winner
wheeeee!!
(oh, and excuse my lousy grammar and my fluent broken English)
3:12 pm
April 14, 2010
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castle_lover45 said:
And whoever said on the Overkill thread that Kate hasn't been OOC lately, can I just ask you that one more time? I mean, who of us here would have written lying into Kate's character? None. And it's been building ever since Food to Die For when she simply didn't want to tell Maddie in front of Castle, then last week when they were "sharing a cab" which was obviously a lie, and now this. If that's in character then I'm Morgan Freeman. (which I'm not btw
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Well if you start to think about it though, we know that Kate has lied plenty of times to help in cases and fools Castle (and that's why she thinks she'd be great at his poker games). We also know that she lied and said she was out on a date when she was actually going to read Nikki Heat.
In these sneak peeks and the past episode I wouldn't call these hurtful lies, they were just little white lies that she thought would help avoid some awkward moments while she still tried to figure out her feelings. So no, I don't think lying (when we know she subconsiously did it because she cares about what Castle thinks) is OOC. Kate is just in the giddy romance stage with Demming but once she sorts her feelings out you'll see that the real Beckett is still definitely there. I'm excited that at the end of the upcoming promo we get to see Kate and the gang busting down doors so we can see her back in action!
5:54 pm
March 8, 2010
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nalissa2 said:
So I guess those of you who think Kate is OOC because she
didn't tell Castle the truth about her weekend plans would have preferred she
came out right and told him? Then she would be called insensitive, among other
things I'm sure. Either way it's a lose/lose situation no matter what.
I absolutely don't believe it is more acceptable to tell Castle
something that she knows will hurt him intentionally to-his-face than to try
and hide something that is really non-of-his-business. Yes it is non of his
business, just like it was non-of-her-business when he slept with Ellie. Castle
didn't tell Beckett he was sleeping with Ellie did he? No, he didn't. Beckett
used her smarts and figured it out. Don't you think she was upset? But she
dealt with it because she knows they have nothing more concrete than a working,
professional friendship. It's not like Castle didn't know Demming was
interested in Beckett romantically. Demming ASKED Castle permission to pursue
her. You can't cry foul when you gave him permission. Even Castle knows that.
A.M. wrote
the episode and created the character of Beckett. If he thinks that is within
her mind-set to act the way she does; then you know what? It is in character. I
don't mind people having differing opinions on interpreting any character's
actions but please stop with the name calling. It's an unnecessarily insulting
tactic to use to get a point across.
sigh.. is it Monday yet? I never thought I'd just want it to be over with already.
I gotta say, I agree with you 110%.
6:03 pm
January 15, 2010
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lmr32385 said:
You guys are making me very confused and intrigued about the finale. I haven't seen one sneak peek, but I have read what people put in the spoiler bars on the different threads (yeah, I know, stay away from the sneak peeks but read spoilers-I'm just weird like that). I can't wait to see this episode based on what everyone is saying about the sneak peeks. Is it Monday yet?!?!
I'm even more strange…no sneak peeks, no spoiler bars…just the text in this thread, which is maddening! So I only get people's emotional reactions, but not why they have them. I'm a sucker for punishment.
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7:08 pm
December 6, 2009
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Angela Beckett said:
IMO, we wouldn't get to watch Beckett to dismiss Demming. We'll be left hanging from a cliff ( <– that's me, pulling a Ziva) when Castle reveals his true fellings to her, and asks to make her choice while he goes away.
hey, why don't we share our thoughts about how this season will end or what's the cliffhanger would be. Tequila cyber shots would be on the winner(oh, and excuse my lousy grammar and my fluent broken English)
Vodka! Lots of Vodka!!!
Welcome to the Board Saphire!! 
things are pretty intense here at the moment aren't they!!
I am avoiding sneak peeks and waiting for the episode..
Look forward to discussing when it is all said and done ( and I have slept it off!!)
Jamz, I'm always interested to hear what you have to say!! Please! keep posting!!!
byee all and good luck for Monday night!!! be sure to come here and tell us overseas people your thoughts! I will have to wait till the next night to watch it online so will be keen to read everyone's thoughts!!
Doz
8:29 pm
January 15, 2010
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Doz said:
Jamz, I'm always interested to hear what you have to say!!
Me too Jamz! 
I think both sides (and all others in between) are well-represented on this board, which makes it great.
I haven't seen the sneak peeks, so I can't speak to the new stuff that may be OOC for Beckett, but I stick to my feelings that she has been generally consistent (or not unexpected in new situations) through Overkill…
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9:19 pm
November 22, 2009
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Regarding the bolded part of your spoiler, there you have the crux of the problem. The writers have painted the character of Beckett into a corner that will be hard for her to get out of. We the viewers are split about 50/50 (being generous there) on our opinion of Becketss actions the last 2 episodes. I am on the side of competely OOC for her. I also don't see this as being a 'wild side' as Marlowe/Katic said. I see this as her being mean to Castle, and since I am on Team Castle, this is unacceptable to me.
Castle has done honarable thing after honarable thing when it comes to Beckett. He slept with Ellie, but only brought it up all three times after prodding from Beckett. So even the only negative thing he has done as far as Beckett is concerned, he never mentioned. Demming has been forced down Castle's throught, whether intentionally or not, at every turn.
Forget is it Monday yet, is it September yet? So we can just resolve this whole fiasco already.
7:38 am
May 8, 2009
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mig991 said:
Regarding the bolded part of your spoiler, there you have the crux of the problem. The writers have painted the character of Beckett into a corner that will be hard for her to get out of. We the viewers are split about 50/50 (being generous there) on our opinion of Becketss actions the last 2 episodes. I am on the side of competely OOC for her. I also don't see this as being a 'wild side' as Marlowe/Katic said. I see this as her being mean to Castle, and since I am on Team Castle, this is unacceptable to me.
Castle has done honarable thing after honarable thing when it comes to Beckett. He slept with Ellie, but only brought it up all three times after prodding from Beckett. So even the only negative thing he has done as far as Beckett is concerned, he never mentioned. Demming has been forced down Castle's throught, whether intentionally or not, at every turn.
Forget is it Monday yet, is it September yet? So we can just resolve this whole fiasco already.
I tried to fix the funky formatting and now my spoiler won't post anymore. Maybe you can't edit it after someone has quoted you. (Shrug) 
Anyway…
I really don't think the percentage you've given is so cut and dry. On this board, that only represents a small portion of the viewing public, I think quite a few are undecided.
What we're forgetting sometimes is that this story-arc is designed to push the Castle/Beckett relationship forward and if that fuels debate along the way then the writers have succeeded admirably. Because of many constraints of most TV shows a lot of it has to happen in a short time and in a confined space, like the precinct. While you see the B/T romance being forced down Castle's throat it certainly doesn't seem that way to me. And I am a C/B Shipper. I want them to be together. For real.
I see this development as a wake-up call to both characters. This, "being in his face", as you call it is something Castle cannot ignore. If he seriously considered Beckett romantically before he would not have given Demming permission so easily to pursue her. To me that is the crux of the problem. He never really gave serious thought about his feelings for her -until now. We can just as easily justify Beckett's perceived "hurtful" actions by saying how can you hurt someone who has told another man you're fair game? It's not that easy when you try to see both sides of the story.
But now that Castle can lose her to someone who, for all the Demming hate going around, is basically a decent guy it's really driving home just how much she means to him. He doesn't like Demming because he's a bad guy. He doesn't like Demming because he realizes that he may have blown his chance with Beckett. That's not Beckett's fault. It's not Demming's fault. It's not even Castle's fault. It's just the way it works out sometimes. I think we've all been around long enough to know that matters of the heart rarely ever play out like a fairy tale and even those have obstacles. Like I said before, there is a quote that I find quite profound; "Truth is, everyone is going to Hurt you. You just gotta find the ones worth suffering for" That in a nutshell is what this whole journey is about. Let's just enjoy the ride and let the characters figure it out.
10:13 am
January 15, 2010
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nalissa2 said:
It's not that easy when you try to see both sides of the story.
But now that Castle can lose her to someone who, for all the Demming hate going around, is basically a decent guy it's really driving home just how much she means to him. He doesn't like Demming because he's a bad guy. He doesn't like Demming because he realizes that he may have blown his chance with Beckett. That's not Beckett's fault. It's not Demming's fault. It's not even Castle's fault. It's just the way it works out sometimes. I think we've all been around long enough to know that matters of the heart rarely ever play out like a fairy tale and even those have obstacles. Like I said before, there is a quote that I find quite profound; "Truth is, everyone is going to Hurt you. You just gotta find the ones worth suffering for" That in a nutshell is what this whole journey is about. Let's just enjoy the ride and let the characters figure it out.
Nicely said, Nalissa. For me, that's the crux of the "hearts will be aching" business they keep talking about. The situation with all 3 characters played out this way…Beckett met a nice guy who is interested in her before she and Castle figured out what they might mean to each other…and it isn't anyone's fault. Whatever the outcome, it's a sad situation and some one (or more than one person) will get hurt.
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4:31 pm
September 5, 2009
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nalissa2, I really liked what you had to say in both of your posts. I think you hit on a lot of points and made cases for both sides of the situation. It's not as cut and dry as some make it out to be. Beckett and Castle have both made mistakes and both have a lot to own up to. It's too easy to lay blame on just one of them. And if they want to make this work then they have to meet in the middle.
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