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9:58 am
March 8, 2010
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gemma said:
I just have to say again, that last seen,when it is so obvious that becket is trying to tell him something important, her facial expressions, is he clueless, I know he still thinks she is with demming, but he must be intriqued of her tone of voice and facial expressions and see that something has changed, it is so obvious, you would think that being he was so into her and so upset by her seeing demming, he would be hanging on her words. I just don't get it, than when gina shows,he is like so what were you saying, and giving gina those looks, what the heck!! I hear everything you all are saying and trying to find something that yiou all say to make sense of it and feel better about it, and basiclly I still come to the same conclusion, I didn't like castle in that last 5 min.
I'm thinking that Castle was just concentrating on holding himself together, and making an effort to pull away emotionally from Beckett. He had already resigned himself to the fact that Beckett was with Demmming.
10:01 am
April 7, 2010
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I'm one of the ones who thinks that yes, Gina could be back in the fall. Why not? They went a Rachel/Ross convention that was similar to Friend's first or second season finale (and LAWD if they seriously go the R/R route the whole show, I'll just tune out now) – I thought they were better than that so I really wouldn't put anything past them. I hope I'm wrong, but honestly I'm expecting it. (I REALLY hope I'm wrong). AND if it happens, I hope they bring back Demming somehow, just saying.
Also wasn't Gina in the press photos for the pilot along with that other detective, who has since disappeared? I think she was intended to have a bigger role from the start and TPTB chose a different direction. Maybe they're going back to the original idea and have her be around and become a "foil" for Beckett. And if that's true, I won't be tuning in. I'm being pouty and bratty but, I just hate that whole idea. I'm really exhausted from all of the angst, I just want the fun back.
10:07 am
March 8, 2010
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CMVidreiro said:
Leftfield said:
I was re watching the episode and something struck me. At the very end, when Kate asks to speak to him privately the tone of his voice and the way he spoke to her was different. Like he was trying to be overly polite and pleasant, almost like he was talking to a child. Maybe he adopted that tone to bury he emotions and not let them show? Did anyone else feel the same way, or am I imagining it?
Same thing happened to me after I rewatched the show… He didn't sound, well, real. It was like he was forcing himself to smile and sound upbeat. He was trying to treat Kate as one of the guys and genuinely had no idea of what she was about to tell him (whatever it was!).
As far as Gina is concerned, after I saw it again, I started thinking that maybe she was in on the whole thing, I mean, she knows about Castle's feelings for Kate, and Demming and all that… Maybe that's what they talked about and Gina thought Kate was toxic for him and his writing and is trying to get him away from her. If he kept her as his publisher, they should get along fine, maybe they're even friends… they just didn't work as man and wife.
That all "like old times" routine sounded too forced, besides being a publisher how come Gina can just stay away from work for 3, 4 months? I know Internet makes things easier, but still I don't buy it… And coming to pick him up at the Precinct? Sounds like a staged performance to me! I think he was just trying to show Kate and everyone he was fine with everything and getting on with his life. Castle does have quite a sizable ego!
I don't know that it was staged, I'm not sure that Castle would stoop to that, but I do think that Gina was definitely sizing up Kate as her competition. Which makes me think Gina's not only interested in the book. Is she is looking for a reconciliation with Castle? If she is, he can be manipulated pretty easily. How much success will she have? This train of thought leaves me wondering how much of her we may be seeing next season.
10:15 am
April 5, 2010
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Evesix……
It seems that her presence in the closing scene would be foil enough. She has done her damage now she can be put back on the shelf. I'm thinking that Beckett will have the whole summer to let what happened marinate so she'll distance herself from Castle, emotionally. i don't see how I can enjoy an episode with Gina as anything but Castle's ex-wife and publisher.
10:16 am
March 8, 2010
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I have re-watched and re-watched the show. You know what is bothering me the most? When Castle comes in that last morning with just coffee for himself and hurts Beckett's feelings. I know that he was deliberately making an effort to pull himself emotionally away from Beckett, but come on. You can't bring in the usual cup of coffee for your friend? It seemed a little too much like a deliberate slap in the face. I know the coffee has become a bit of a metaphor or barometer for the writers. I think I understand what the writers were trying to show the viewer, that Castle was trying to let go, but it still is really bugging me.
10:24 am
May 12, 2009
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Leftfield said:
I have re-watched and re-watched the show. You know what is bothering me the most? When Castle comes in that last morning with just coffee for himself and hurts Beckett's feelings. I know that he was deliberately making an effort to pull himself emotionally away from Beckett, but come on. You can't bring in the usual cup of coffee for your friend? It seemed a little too much like a deliberate slap in the face. I know the coffee has become a bit of a metaphor or barometer for the writers. I think I understand what the writers were trying to show the viewer, that Castle was trying to let go, but it still is really bugging me.
Well you have to keep in mind for the last two episodes his coffee was ignored because Demming brought her coffee or was at the capuccino machine with her. He even tried getting in really early and that didn't work. So he could have given up on bringing coffee since he'd assume Demming would bring it to her.
10:43 am
April 5, 2010
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Leftfield said:
I have re-watched and re-watched the show. You know what is bothering me the most? When Castle comes in that last morning with just coffee for himself and hurts Beckett's feelings. I know that he was deliberately making an effort to pull himself emotionally away from Beckett, but come on. You can't bring in the usual cup of coffee for your friend? It seemed a little too much like a deliberate slap in the face. I know the coffee has become a bit of a metaphor or barometer for the writers. I think I understand what the writers were trying to show the viewer, that Castle was trying to let go, but it still is really bugging me.
I missed that totally. I only noticed when Esposito brought her coffee. I don't blame Castle for that one. In fact, I'll even side in favor of Castle because she has been having coffee with Demming. Can she even make coffee herself? 
11:27 am
May 8, 2009
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Leftfield said:
I don't know that it was staged, I'm not sure that Castle would stoop to that, but I do think that Gina was definitely sizing up Kate as her competition. Which makes me think Gina's not only interested in the book. Is she is looking for a reconciliation with Castle? If she is, he can be manipulated pretty easily. How much success will she have? This train of thought leaves me wondering how much of her we may be seeing next season.
Thanks Leftfield, you've just made my wait for September just a little bit longer. 
11:43 am
March 8, 2010
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nalissa2 said:
Leftfield said:
I don't know that it was staged, I'm not sure that Castle would stoop to that, but I do think that Gina was definitely sizing up Kate as her competition. Which makes me think Gina's not only interested in the book. Is she is looking for a reconciliation with Castle? If she is, he can be manipulated pretty easily. How much success will she have? This train of thought leaves me wondering how much of her we may be seeing next season.
Sorry, I guess I just have to share my pain!
11:45 am
March 8, 2010
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m_hanh said:
Leftfield said:
I have re-watched and re-watched the show. You know what is bothering me the most? When Castle comes in that last morning with just coffee for himself and hurts Beckett's feelings. I know that he was deliberately making an effort to pull himself emotionally away from Beckett, but come on. You can't bring in the usual cup of coffee for your friend? It seemed a little too much like a deliberate slap in the face. I know the coffee has become a bit of a metaphor or barometer for the writers. I think I understand what the writers were trying to show the viewer, that Castle was trying to let go, but it still is really bugging me.
Well you have to keep in mind for the last two episodes his coffee was ignored because Demming brought her coffee or was at the capuccino machine with her. He even tried getting in really early and that didn't work. So he could have given up on bringing coffee since he'd assume Demming would bring it to her.
Van said:
Leftfield said:
I have re-watched and re-watched the show. You know what is bothering me the most? When Castle comes in that last morning with just coffee for himself and hurts Beckett's feelings. I know that he was deliberately making an effort to pull himself emotionally away from Beckett, but come on. You can't bring in the usual cup of coffee for your friend? It seemed a little too much like a deliberate slap in the face. I know the coffee has become a bit of a metaphor or barometer for the writers. I think I understand what the writers were trying to show the viewer, that Castle was trying to let go, but it still is really bugging me.
I missed that totally. I only noticed when Esposito brought her coffee. I don't blame Castle for that one. In fact, I'll even side in favor of Castle because she has been having coffee with Demming. Can she even make coffee herself?
Yea, I know it was just a sign that he had conceded, given up the field, resigned himself to Demming, whatever. It just really bugged me.
11:57 am
April 25, 2010
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has there been any official word from Marlowe on the reaction to the finale yet?
Is it everything he hoped?
12:13 pm
April 29, 2008
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He's on vacation so I imagine there won't be anything official (if at all) till he's back on deck
12:57 pm
November 1, 2009
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Several of you have clearly noted how, in this episode, Beckett and Castle each realized and acted on (or started to act on) their feelings for the other. I cannot stop thinking about the almost frozen looks on Esposito, Ryan, Lanie, and Capt Montgomery (framed like in a picture) as they watch Beckett start to spell out her feelings for Castle to him. And then she gets pre-empted and shut down. None of them will forget that near miss…and they all should be back for Season 3. The real question for me is: Which of the four will be the first to slap Castle across the face or pull Beckett aside for a heart-to- heart next season?
1:17 pm
September 5, 2009
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MathGuy said:
Several of you have clearly noted how, in this episode, Beckett and Castle each realized and acted on (or started to act on) their feelings for the other. I cannot stop thinking about the almost frozen looks on Esposito, Ryan, Lanie, and Capt Montgomery (framed like in a picture) as they watch Beckett start to spell out her feelings for Castle to him. And then she gets pre-empted and shut down. None of them will forget that near miss…and they all should be back for Season 3. The real question for me is: Which of the four will be the first to slap Castle across the face or pull Beckett aside for a heart-to- heart next season?
I think Castle and Gina are a "made in hell" match and that Castle will be plenty tired of Gina before summer is over. In fact, I'd be surprised if "writercastle" doesn't comment on "how things are going" sometime this summer. Of course, unless Castle and Beckett chat over the summer (or unless Beckett's co-workers call Castle), Castle will believe Beckett is with Demming. So, the first episode of season three could be really "thrilling" as Castle learns that Demming is no longer in the picture. Additionally, if he hasn't given Gina the "heave ho" by then, he'll be faced with "how to get rid of the ex-wife" so he can pursue Beckett again. I can see great hilarity in the first couple of episodes for season three as the characters work out this new dynamic. As I recall, Gina is the one who "cheated" on Castle causing their marriage to fail; so perhaps that will occur once again, giving Castle an out.
1:19 pm
May 18, 2010
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ReverseDoubleJinx said:
You know, the Gina thing caught me off guard too (even though I'd seen pictures and knew she was going to be in the ep — that's how into it I was!), but in retrospect I'm convinced it all made perfect sense and was a pretty great, if agonizing, way to send us to summer.
See, Castle's turning to Gina isn't completely random:
His mother is leaving him for the summer. His daughter, the light of his life, is leaving him for the summer. He's finally realized how strong his feelings are for Beckett, but after several episodes of trying to get to the next level, trying to let her know without frightening her off that he's interested in something more than friendship, he's been told point blank that she's with Demming now, and even that came after she'd first lied to him about her plans.
Now, I'm certain it was not a lie told out of spite. I absolutely believe Beckett just couldn't bring herself to tell him her real plans in that moment. She'd very nearly agreed to go with Castle before snapping back to reality, remembering that, oh yeah, she's dating someone else. Feeling that conflicted about these two relationships, all she could bring herself to do was try to dodge the issue, hiding it with a lie that didn't stick. No, it wasn't spite. But that doesn't mean it didnt' hurt Castle.
So, there he is. He's searched for some glimmer of hope that Beckett has feelings for him too, but he's been shot down. He's frustrated, sad, feeling lost, and now facing a whole summer, completely alone, in which his appointed task will have him thinking about Beckett all day long, every day.
He can't talk to his family about it: they're both off and away with their own happy plans. He obviously can't talk to Beckett about it. Ryan and Espo are still closer to Beckett than to him, so he can't confide there. Where to turn?
And then he gets yet another call from this publisher he's been avoiding, and this time he answers, braced and ready to tell her that he's not done, but don't worry, he's spending the whole summer in the Hamptons to be sure he makes the deadline.
Naturally, Gina, who knows her ex-husband quite well, asks what brought on this abrupt bout of diligence.
Now, Rick might have been pretty frustrated with Gina as long as we've known either of them. But in this moment, she turns up as one person who knows him very well, who has a stake of sorts in what's going on, and who shares a lot of history with him. Even if some of that history is painful, it's there. Even closeness that exists only in memory is better than nothing when you've got no one else to talk to.
And so, Rick talks. We don't know what was said, but perhaps Rick was more than usually vulnerable. Perhaps Gina was more than usually sympathetic. He remembers how she used to be more than just his publisher, and suddenly sees a chance, however slim, that he might not have to be alone all summer after all.
With the prospect of sitting alone in the Hamptons for months and months, writing about Beckett, thinking about Beckett, knowing she's with another man and happy with that other man… Well, the chance to have Gina along must have felt like the golden opportunity: she'll be there for company, for distraction, and for the illusion that he's got a nice relationship of his own, all while keeping Black Pawn happy that they've got her keeping an eye on him.
Castle doesn't know Beckett has broken it off with Demming.
He doesn't know that she was on the verge of opening up to him as she never had before.
All he knows is, he's been told she's chosen someone else, and he's coping as best he can.
The 'timing was off'? Heck yeah. That's classic dramatic irony, right there, where we know what the characters don't, and can only watch as despite everyone's best intentions, he gives up too early and she realizes her feelings just that moment too late.
Here's the great part, though. As they leave for the summer, he goes knowing he loves Beckett, even as he's trying to cope with having lost her (he thinks). She watches him go, having missed her chance, but she knows now how much she cares about him too. And she didn't say goodbye! She said — asked, even — "See you next fall?" And he answered, "See you next fall." Just like "'Night" vs. "Until tomorrow," this kind of farewell is a hopeful one.
I know lots of fans were unbearably frustrated, feeling they'd been cheated somehow to see these two come so close to finally speaking their minds. I don't feel that way. In my mind, this ending was true to both characters. No one was at fault. Yet we miss our happy ending by the narrowest of margins due only to a cruel twist of fate…
Very Romeo and Juliet, right? He 'dies' (gives up) that moment too soon, and she 'wakes up' (realizes what her heart wants) that moment too late! Frustrating, but that's tragedy for you. It was heartbreaking, beautifully acted, and completely wonderful.
Yet unlike Romeo and Juliet, these two will get another chance:
"See you in the fall?"
"See you in the fall."
Fantastic analysis. I'm feeling much better about next season after reading that! Thanks!
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