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7:02 pm
November 10, 2009


sarah_darling

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hdotmoss said:

sarah_darling said:

I also loved during the scene when Castle was explaining about why he knows all about caskets he says to Beckett "But of course you already know that." Refering to her being obessed with his books, hehe.


I thought I was the only one who caught that little comment. Smile


Yay us for catching little comments! They should totally pay us for that! :0)

Becklers do it with the beckle on.

7:26 pm
November 10, 2009


DJ

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posts 95

I also liked the scene at the end, when Beckett was about to tell the bike courier's sister that they've solved the case…Castle said something about closure helping, and Beckett answered that closure helps with time. I thought that was a glancing nod to her mom's case, maybe she's thinking about trying to open that up again.

7:56 pm
November 10, 2009


itsmyworld

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I feel similarly to the person who said that this has been their least favorite episode to date. I wasn't feeling this one at all. I like seeing other cast members but this one was a little too procedural for me. I don't watch Castle for the cases but rather the character relationships. This felt like it was lacking in that for me. Don't get me wrong -bad Castle episodes are still far better than that of the other shows I watch but I was disappointed in this one. Hope next week is better.

8:10 pm
November 10, 2009


unniw

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…and Ryan is still reading Heat Wave, what a slow reader! (Don't know if it was Heat Wave, only saw the top of the book in half a second).

I like Perlmutter too, think his comments are hilarious. "Back in the non-fiction section…" He's not guessing, and his gut is only telling him he's hungry. His education and experience on the other hand… The exact opposite of Castle, who are guessing and going with his gut feeling most of the time. And the fact that he hung up the phone on Beckett last episode give him extra points in my book. Need some characters on the team that don't worship the hero.

I was fooled by the casting this time. In other shows, if the guest star is well known (that is, famous enough that I recognize them) then he or she is usually the killer. And especially the guy who played Winston Wellesley – he always play the bad guy. Well, he was kind of bad, but not the killer. And then there's the brother, also quite famous actor, – now which guest star to pick? And then it turned out neither of them was the killer. Well done!

And I still think Beckett and Castle had a nice little moment over the (lack of) magnifying glass. Now that we know there wasn't a body present, it makes the moment nicer. They are quite close, and she IS looking at his mouth.

"Not yet": last time they were asked this, and Castle said "Not yet", Beckett added "Never, in fact" (at fundraiser in ep 107). No such addition this time!

When they expected a terrorist attack, Montgomery, Esposito and Beckett are on the phone, all urgent and business, and Castle gets up, reaching for his phone, and realise that for once, he's got noone to call…  Mr. "I have a guy everywhere." is lacking a terrorist on his phone list.

The way they work around "certain british spy" and "my face" in the episodes – making the use of those terms believable in the dialogue, then saying Bond on abc.com and Facebook on Twitter later…

I liked the episode, because it was a good case, we got to know Capt Montgomery better – he got to show off his skills, Beckett and Castle worked well together solidifying their relationship, Castle and Montgomery admire Beckett, and the whole tea-party scene from they enter the apartment guns in hand. After a light-hearted funny episode like Vampire weekend, we need some serious episodes to balance it.

…is insanity inherited?

9:01 pm
November 10, 2009


spinja

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posts 63

To me, the more the show tries to be like an everage crime procedural, the less interesting it becomes.

Because – the main and most compelling element in this show is the relationship of Castle and Beckett.

And at this stage, I think MORE attention needs to focus there. Now.

:)

(impatient much? naw…lol)

Really, I am sorry, but I am not interested in Castle's mother, even though played by a seasoned and dignified actor like Susan Sullivan,

whose dignity droops when they throw silly lines like "Mama's on the prowl" into her mouth.

That kind of character has become cliche and has not been interesting since Blanche Devereau.

IMO.

So this episode ranks fairly low for me.

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11:14 pm
November 10, 2009


sarah_darling

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spinja said:

That kind of character has become cliche and has not been interesting since Blanche Devereau.


I loved Blanche Devereau!

Becklers do it with the beckle on.

12:14 am
November 11, 2009


spinja

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posts 63

Exactly.

8:08 am
November 11, 2009


nalissa2

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I noticed all the little nods too. The comments between the two that would have played out differently in season 1.

Also did anyone else notice the aversion Beckett had to sitting on chairs in this episode? It seemed like she was always sitting on a desk. Bounce

Firefly is my Gone With The Wind

10:10 am
November 11, 2009


m_hanh

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nalissa2 said:

I noticed all the little nods too. The comments between the two that would have played out differently in season 1.

Also did anyone else notice the aversion Beckett had to sitting on chairs in this episode? It seemed like she was always sitting on a desk. Bounce


It could also be a conscious choice, trying to gain height over a seated witness, or a pushy senator Smile.  You'll notice she'll stand in some interrogations and pace or lean on the table looking down at a suspect.  That's definitely a police technique. 

11:02 am
November 11, 2009


MnCastleFan

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unniw quote:

"Not yet": last time they were asked this, and Castle said "Not yet", Beckett added "Never, in fact" (at fundraiser in ep 107). No such addition this time!

Hey good find about Beckett's reply, it helps to see the progress of the relationship.

Spinja…I agree that I do not care too much if they solve the case, I just like the interactions between the Castle and Beckett.

Just remember that unless we have some regular shows, we would not appreciate the great ones. (You smell like cherries comes to mind)

Wishing for Season 3!

2:18 pm
November 11, 2009


unniw

Norway

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m_hanh said:

nalissa2 said:

I noticed all the little nods too. The comments between the two that would have played out differently in season 1.

Also did anyone else notice the aversion Beckett had to sitting on chairs in this episode? It seemed like she was always sitting on a desk. Bounce


It could also be a conscious choice, trying to gain height over a seated witness, or a pushy senator Smile.  You'll notice she'll stand in some interrogations and pace or lean on the table looking down at a suspect.  That's definitely a police technique. 


And when Ryan, Esposito and Castle sit around the computer desk, she's sitting on the desk (ep 1x04 when Castle arranges a "date" with Tiffany), or leaning over them (2x06 Vampire Lovers internetpage), or remain standing (1x02 elevator videos) demonstrating her position of superiority/seniority.

4:22 pm
November 11, 2009


musiclover

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This episode was confusing to me because it was Montgomery's case and yet it wasnt his but other than it it was ok and I hate to say that because this is my fave show but yeah oh ps:I WANT LANIE BACK… 

4:51 pm
November 11, 2009


hdotmoss

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musiclover said:This episode was confusing to me because it was Montgomery's case and yet it wasnt his but other than it it was ok and I hate to say that because this is my fave show but yeah oh ps:I WANT LANIE BACK… 


Okay, I'm glad I wasn't the only one a little confused by the case… and YES I want Lanie back ASAP!

5:03 pm
November 11, 2009


itsmyworld

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I think I'm the only person who doesn't really miss Lanie. Don't get me wrong, her character is great, but I like Pearlmutter. He is unintentionally hilarious. I also think that a mix of various MEs adds more dynamic to the show.

5:21 pm
November 11, 2009


monbon

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itsmyworld said:I think I'm the only person who doesn't really miss Lanie. Don't get me wrong, her character is great, but I like Pearlmutter. He is unintentionally hilarious. I also think that a mix of various MEs adds more dynamic to the show.


I agree. Beckett and Castle's reactions to his sarcasm are fun to watch. Good to have variety, too.

8:41 pm
November 11, 2009


Tzalaran

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posts 10

This was actually one of my favorite shows because it wasn't focused on Castle and Beckett.  I'd commented to my wife a few weeks ago how i hoped they developed Montgomery, Pearlmutter, and Martha more than they had, and this episode hit all three.

Martha is such a great character for the show, and it was nice to see her get a prominent subplot in an episode.  i have strong objections to the entire 'cliche lines she gives' argument, because if you want to go that route everything out there has been there, done that, there are no new ideas.  what is important is the performance and believability of the character, and there is never a line spoken by Martha that makes me not believe the performance.  I hope that she continues to play prominent roles in the subplots going forward.

It was great to also see the Captain more involved, and get a brief window into his motivations.  The way Montgomery worked with the other detectives, the pressure on him because of case quotas and budget cuts, and those few scenes that let you really get to know what makes him tick increased my respect for the character immensely.   Learning a bit of his history in the departent by linking the current case back to an open and shut case that he worked on 10 years ago that turned out to be more involved than he initially thought was just really well done imo.

Although i like Tamala's character, having another ME is good for the believability of the show, and Pearlmutter absolutely cracks me up.  His lack of social skills makes him a great compliment to Lanie, and he just seems the type that enjoys finding out the cause of death to assist detectives solve crimes but is just a bit abrasive to most of the detectives he works with.  i'd like to see Lanie and Pearlmutter interact a bit, but that could be difficult to write in seeings how they must work opposite shifts.

Pushing strong side characters to the side isn't a good idea for the longevity of a show, and it was refreshing to have the focus be on the supporting cast for an episode.  hopefully Alexis will get to feature in the next episode, as she wasn't prominently showcased in this one.  It is easy for a show to focus on one or two characters, but pulling in all the side characters and making them strong enough to carry a show as well as the main characters is the sign of great writers and creative vision.

/steps off soapbox

10:47 am
November 13, 2009


m_hanh

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posts 369

Watching this episode again, something came to mind.  There is a scene where the Pearlmutter says the ME's autopsy wasn't  thorough and Beckett says did he miss something.  It got me thinking, this might have been the same ME that would have worked on her mom 10 years ago, its confirmation that the ME wasn't always  thorough.  Hmm, wonder if it will trigger something in Beckett.  

Also, noticed how excited Castle was about exhuming the body, I'm sure that was pretty exciting to him.  Not something that happens everyday.  

11:24 am
November 13, 2009


CherriesPlease

Earth…sometimes

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posts 36

unniw said:

…and Ryan is still reading Heat Wave, what a slow reader! (Don't know if it was Heat Wave, only saw the top of the book in half a second).

I like Perlmutter too, think his comments are hilarious. "Back in the non-fiction section…" He's not guessing, and his gut is only telling him he's hungry. His education and experience on the other hand… The exact opposite of Castle, who are guessing and going with his gut feeling most of the time. And the fact that he hung up the phone on Beckett last episode give him extra points in my book. Need some characters on the team that don't worship the hero.

I was fooled by the casting this time. In other shows, if the guest star is well known (that is, famous enough that I recognize them) then he or she is usually the killer. And especially the guy who played Winston Wellesley – he always play the bad guy. Well, he was kind of bad, but not the killer. And then there's the brother, also quite famous actor, – now which guest star to pick? And then it turned out neither of them was the killer. Well done!

And I still think Beckett and Castle had a nice little moment over the (lack of) magnifying glass. Now that we know there wasn't a body present, it makes the moment nicer. They are quite close, and she IS looking at his mouth.

"Not yet": last time they were asked this, and Castle said "Not yet", Beckett added "Never, in fact" (at fundraiser in ep 107). No such addition this time!

When they expected a terrorist attack, Montgomery, Esposito and Beckett are on the phone, all urgent and business, and Castle gets up, reaching for his phone, and realise that for once, he's got noone to call…  Mr. "I have a guy everywhere." is lacking a terrorist on his phone list.

The way they work around "certain british spy" and "my face" in the episodes – making the use of those terms believable in the dialogue, then saying Bond on abc.com and Facebook on Twitter later…

I liked the episode, because it was a good case, we got to know Capt Montgomery better – he got to show off his skills, Beckett and Castle worked well together solidifying their relationship, Castle and Montgomery admire Beckett, and the whole tea-party scene from they enter the apartment guns in hand. After a light-hearted funny episode like Vampire weekend, we need some serious episodes to balance it.

…is insanity inherited?


I also particularly like the Terrorist Scare scene where you see Castle feeling left out and everyone, especially Beckett, going into emergency mode with their phones. I really liked how all of them worked in sync with each other and the overlapping voices calling a terrorist threat made seem all the more urgent and synchronized.

Was it their precinct being "threatened" or another?

I can now understand how Stana and Nathan can say that it won't be until much later that we'll see the B/C relationship finally get together…they have to fill episode slots with character development for the secondary characters as well as making room for any eventful scenarios. ARghh! I'm one of those viewers who tune in specifically for the B/C interplay and romance, but I just have to be patient and see how well these two characters develop since I don't have any choice. I just hope they don't draw it out too long because my attention span and tolerance is only so high.

11:31 am
November 13, 2009


CherriesPlease

Earth…sometimes

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nalissa2 said:

I noticed all the little nods too. The comments between the two that would have played out differently in season 1.

Also did anyone else notice the aversion Beckett had to sitting on chairs in this episode? It seemed like she was always sitting on a desk. Bounce


Yes! I was wondering if that was an indication of her comfort level with Captain Montgomery or if she just had problems with her legs. lol. Slightly unprofessional, no? Cute though. It would have been something I would do since I like high places because I am vertically challenged. But Beckett is tall. I suspect they had her sit to try out different character spacing and experiment with a more versatile camera angles. Hmmm… Maybe next we can see Beckett sitting on …. Castle's lap? Whoa, I know, too fast. Lol. :::reeling in overactive imagination::::Love2

11:54 am
November 13, 2009


nalissa2

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CherriesPlease said:

nalissa2 said:

I noticed all the little nods too. The comments between the two that would have played out differently in season 1.

Also did anyone else notice the aversion Beckett had to sitting on chairs in this episode? It seemed like she was always sitting on a desk. Bounce


Yes! I was wondering if that was an indication of her comfort level with Captain Montgomery or if she just had problems with her legs. lol. Slightly unprofessional, no? Cute though. It would have been something I would do since I like high places because I am vertically challenged. But Beckett is tall. I suspect they had her sit to try out different character spacing and experiment with a more versatile camera angles. Hmmm… Maybe next we can see Beckett sitting on …. Castle's lap? Whoa, I know, too fast. Lol. :::reeling in overactive imagination::::Love2


Yes! she was sitting on the Capt.'s desk during a regular run of the mill conversation. I work in a very casual office, but I'd never sit on my boss's desk.

It was a bit… odd. However it was cute.

Firefly is my Gone With The Wind

7:14 am
November 14, 2009


Blackfel

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posts 19

Speaking of Perlmutter, this episode marked a bit of a change for him as well.  As everyone knows, the definining characteristic of Perlmutter is his lack of social skills when it comes to the living.  However, it seems Castle's ability to charm the living daylights out of anyone is actually having an effect on even the irascible ME.  In the Halloween episode, Castle takes the time to invite Perlmutter to his party, even though he's doesn't have the most winning of personalities.  In this episode, Perlmutter actually offers him some of his meal.  "It's homemade."  Sure, Castle turned it down saying "I couldn't", but I didn't see Perlmutter offering the sandwich to Beckett.

That's actually one of the things I really like about Castle.  His permanently cheerful attitude and winning personality has an effect on everyone around him, bringing out the best parts of all of the other characters.  It would have been so easy for this show to be just another gritty, "the world is crap" drama, but by making Castle have such a basically wonderful personality he's actually changing the precinct for the better just by being there.

Honestly, I could stand to see another episode where he interacts with some of the other people in the precinct.  In the episode with the bet, you see him talking with almost all of the people in the background, and he knows all of them by name.  I think everyone in the precinct is starting to accept him as one of their own, even though he doesn't wear a badge.  Also, in this episode we see a bit more of whiy the Captain is willing to allow Castle to hang around.  If Castle had simply been a useless distraction, the Captain would have found a way to get rid of him without pissing off the mayor.  But with the precinct so short-handed (staff cut by 20%), and Castle so obviously competent with what he does, it would have been absolutely criminal of him not to utilize such a valuable resource when it drops in his lap.

To me, the most important part of this series is the relationship between Castle and Beckett, and seeing it develop.  But what makes this show special is seeing just how Castle affects everyone and everything around him.  His enthusiasm and zest for life is infecting everyone he interacts with, and I can't wait to see where it goes from here.  

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