The first, best, most accurate and only Castle fan site that allows you to interact with the Castle cast & crew

Forums

Who's in Chat? [Chat Now]

A A A

Please consider registering
guest

Log In Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search:

— Forum Scope —



— Match —



— Forum Options —




Wildcard usage:
*  matches any number of characters    %  matches exactly one character

Minimum search word length is 4 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

Topic RSS
Why does Castle do Comic-Con?
September 2, 2011
12:25 pm
Noblelox
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 93
Member Since:
January 27, 2011
Offline
1
0

While I enjoyed watching the panel from Comic-con, I am drawn to ask, why does Castle even have a presence?

Now Castle is not a nerd show.  I know a fair few nerds just cling on to Nathan like a demi-god, but why does ABC pander to this vocal minority? It's not like buttering up the nerd community will get you any viewers.  Over the years nerds have campaigned to save various shows, but the fact that nerd shows always get cancelled eventually, shows that while they are indeed loyal fans of whatever they love, they are not a worthwhile demographic to ensure worthwhile viewing figures.  A fine example is Nathan's Firefly show, which didn't even get into double figures before being canned.

And it must be so painful for the rest of the cast, sat there, as another nerd walks up to the mic and ask Nathan another question about there being a firefly cross-over.  I can see why Stana and Susan swerve the whole event.

So why does ABC do it? Surely there are better promotional activities they could do to promote the show to mainstream viewers, that could actually increase viewing numbers?

Another fine post from the semantically cute….. Noblelox {Ò¿Ó}
September 2, 2011
1:27 pm
Alie
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 3132
Member Since:
October 27, 2010
Offline
2
0

Noblelox said:

While I enjoyed watching the panel from Comic-con, I am drawn to ask, why does Castle even have a presence?

Now Castle is not a nerd show.  I know a fair few nerds just cling on to Nathan like a demi-god, but why does ABC pander to this vocal minority? It's not like buttering up the nerd community will get you any viewers.  Over the years nerds have campaigned to save various shows, but the fact that nerd shows always get cancelled eventually, shows that while they are indeed loyal fans of whatever they love, they are not a worthwhile demographic to ensure worthwhile viewing figures.  A fine example is Nathan's Firefly show, which didn't even get into double figures before being canned.

And it must be so painful for the rest of the cast, sat there, as another nerd walks up to the mic and ask Nathan another question about there being a firefly cross-over.  I can see why Stana and Susan swerve the whole event.

So why does ABC do it? Surely there are better promotional activities they could do to promote the show to mainstream viewers, that could actually increase viewing numbers?

All I know is that I waited 2hrs to get into a exhibit hall with the capacity of 2,000+ and didn't get in. In the end it's very good business.

Icon by smorelette
September 2, 2011
1:31 pm
Admin
Admin
Forum Posts: 4769
Member Since:
April 29, 2008
Offline

Umm… I find your post somewhat offensive, perhaps it's supposed to be?

1. People who attend comic con are from a wide variety of backgrounds and have a wide range of interests… all 130,000 of them.

2. Castle definitely appeals to nerds, perhaps you didn't hear that the panel was completely full both years?

3. Shows like Star Trek, Doctor Who and Stargate have run MANY years. Dr Who & Trek started in the 60s and both are still going strong. Stargate had a TEN SEASON run in its original series and then went on to have a successful 5 seasons of a spinoff series and another 2 of another series not to mention three movies.

4. EVERY CAST MEMBER thoroughly enjoyed attending comic con, none of them were in pain.

5. Castle fans everywhere (apart from you I guess) think it's fantastic that ABC has a presence for Castle at Comic con.

6. Have you not heard of the Graphic Novel coming out in September based on Castle's Derrick Storm series? It's a comic, the event you're complaining about is COMIC Con.

Site Administrator
September 2, 2011
2:21 pm
Leftfield
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 2492
Member Since:
March 8, 2010
Offline

I would imagine that the reasons Castle attends Comic Con are varied and positive.  I'm so happy that they choose to do so.  It's a wonderful way to interact with fans, and each and every one of them them seems to be having a blast.  I have never been lucky enough to attend, but watch and catch up with every micro-second that I can on the the web.  What's the problem?  It's fun, it's positive, and everybody benefits.

September 2, 2011
2:28 pm
Cayenne
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 993
Member Since:
June 21, 2011
Offline
5
0

I think it's great that the cast and crew go through so much trouble just to interact with their fans. There aren't a lot of shows which go through such lengths.

and ofcourse it's for everybody's benefit!

September 2, 2011
6:00 pm
angsioux
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 61
Member Since:
February 6, 2011
Offline
6
0

FYI but Stana wasn't able to be there this year because of a family comittment.   She was there last year and was great.  Nathan brings in the folks due to his "geek God" status but the rest of the cast look/act like they enjoy it sooooo much also and bring in their own fans.  Molly has even dressed up both years (Uhura and Cap Mal). 

September 2, 2011
6:51 pm
grapes
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 865
Member Since:
May 23, 2011
Offline
7
0

Low cost PR for ABC and Castle? Because of internet it is accessible from the rest of the world as well.
Besides its nice to get in touch with some of your fans. They may be nerdy but most of them create a lot of buzz on the interwebs.

September 2, 2011
10:32 pm
FillKat
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 1115
Member Since:
June 21, 2011
Offline
8
0

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't know of any other such gathering where those involved with a particular show can interact with their fans and/or potential viewing audience.

As grapes said, it is low cost PR. 

While ComicCons history has to do with the geek and/or the nerd, I think Castle fits into that category quite well.  Richard Castle is both a geek and a nerd  smile, in all ways that matter.

A witty saying proves nothing ~ Voltaire ~
September 2, 2011
10:35 pm
Alie
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 3132
Member Since:
October 27, 2010
Offline
9
0

It's also not just sci-fi geeks who go to comic con.  There were two lil middle school girls in line with us there to see Glee.  There is actually a lot of main-stream shows and actors that make the trek to SD.

Icon by smorelette
September 2, 2011
11:43 pm
Luthos
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 179
Member Since:
September 16, 2010
Offline
10
0

Stana must hate Comic Con so much, that she decided to do a voice in the new Batman video game, who's panel she did attend.

September 3, 2011
7:02 pm
Noblelox
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 93
Member Since:
January 27, 2011
Offline
11
0

Admin said:

Umm… I find your post somewhat offensive, perhaps it's supposed to be?

1. People who attend comic con are from a wide variety of backgrounds and have a wide range of interests… all 130,000 of them.

2. Castle definitely appeals to nerds, perhaps you didn't hear that the panel was completely full both years?

3. Shows like Star Trek, Doctor Who and Stargate have run MANY years. Dr Who & Trek started in the 60s and both are still going strong. Stargate had a TEN SEASON run in its original series and then went on to have a successful 5 seasons of a spinoff series and another 2 of another series not to mention three movies.

4. EVERY CAST MEMBER thoroughly enjoyed attending comic con, none of them were in pain.

5. Castle fans everywhere (apart from you I guess) think it's fantastic that ABC has a presence for Castle at Comic con.

6. Have you not heard of the Graphic Novel coming out in September based on Castle's Derrick Storm series? It's a comic, the event you're complaining about is COMIC Con.

Sorry, no, it's not meant as offensive, why do you take it that way? I am asking a realistic question, unless you take offence at the work nerd as an insult, but since it is a badge of honour these days with Nerdist.com and Zachary Levi'd Nerd Machine, I personally don't see it as a derogative word these days.  I prefer geek myself, but Nerd is a popular expression. Are you a nerd and feel shame because of it?

I know all the stats of Comic-Con, I know it is bigger every year, and it reverberates around the web as well, but the fact that remains is while the nerd community is committed and vocal, it's not that big. I'm not sure what Hall the panel was in, but I know Hall H held 6,000, but all those people are already committed and fervent fans of the show and wouldn't miss an episode. And we all as fans all enjoy looking at it on YouTube, but again, this is not going to get anyone else to tune in and give it a go.

I can see that all the existing fans love the comic-con presence, but it does nothing to promote the show to new audiences. It's preaching to the converted. Yesterday I did a youtube search on chat shows, and Nathan has been on the Late, Late Show three times, once for a film called "The Waitress", once for Desperate Housewives, and once for Dr. Horrible. Other talk show appearances by Nathan and Stana are few and far between  (on youtube anyway), but I think appearances like that with good meaty clips, may get bigger numbers tuning in.

 

Back to some of the points you make., Point 3, you list lots of shows, that are all cancelled. Star Trek, lasted 3 years!  OK Next Gen lasted longer, but their figures were never spectacular, and every other spin off lasted a few seasons and then went again. You say trek is still going strong? Have I missed something? What Trek is still alive on TV? Other than re-runs. Stargate was a success, but none of the spin-off have been. Chuck is going this year, Eureka struggles to renew, with season 3 being spilt over two years. BSG has gone, Caprica just never got going. Nerd TV just never succeeds with the mainstream, and 130,000 comic-con attendees don't amount to a hill of beans in viewing figures.  Stargate Sg1 for it's longevity only averaged 2 million viewers, which pretty awful. Doctor Who in the UK gets between 8-10 Million each week, and that is in the UK! 

 

Point 4.. Are you sure?? Are you just projecting your own enjoyment?? Personally, I think that Seamus and Jon would rather not be there.  Molly for all her enthusiasm hardly gets asked a question.  It is the Nathan Fillion road show. Susan didn't show, Penny Johnson Jerald was not introduced, and Stana had family commitments, which could mean anything. While no-one would ever say anything negative, I look at the body language and absentees and wonder if many of the cast actually enjoy sitting there while everyone fawns over Nathan.

5&6, Yes I enjoy it, yes I can see why they do it, there is no need to make a comic to earn the right to be there, I am just asking is it a worthwhile publicity tool for the show?  For all our talk of wanting to see what unfolds on the show, I'd hate to see it cancelled before the full story arc unfolds!

 

So don't take offence, don't get defensive, I am just asking, is buttering up the hard-core nerd Nathan Fillion fan-base a worthwhile pursuit for ABC?

Another fine post from the semantically cute….. Noblelox {Ò¿Ó}
September 3, 2011
8:26 pm
Alie
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 3132
Member Since:
October 27, 2010
Offline
12
0

Noblelox- I think you are missing the large picture.  Is Nathan considered a nerd hero? Yes.  But do fans other than FF fans go b/c they want to see Castle? Yes.  I had never even heard about Firefly before Castle so when I got tickets I wanted to go for Castle as a whole, not only Nathan. It may not be a PR campaign for ABC, but it is a fan appreciation event and it doesn't hurt the show.  Also, there are a ton of entertainment magazines, shows, and websites that get to interview actors about the show and, fans who don't get to go appreciate that. And speaking as a resident of San Diego, it's not a bad place to take a short trip to.

Icon by smorelette
September 4, 2011
2:15 am
docvap
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 802
Member Since:
January 4, 2011
Offline
13
0

1) Comic Con has become a celebration of Pop Culture not just comics, as was stated on their own banners that lined the streets of San Diego during Comic Con.

2) As someone who follows Castle casts via FB and twitter, the cast was excited for Comic Con and had a blast during the panel. Nathan Fillion was there as soon as he was done filming for the week until it wrapped on Sunday. Jon Huertas was not only there for Castle but he moderated the armed forces panel and was also in the generation kill panel. Stana, who had commitments the prevented her from attending the Castle panel, made a special effort to be there for the Batman panel for her fans. So to assume that the cast does not enjoy interacting with their fans is making a very poor assumption based on nothing.

3) As someone who made the trip to Comic Con specifically to see the Castle panel, all I can say is you really shouldn't pass judgement on the event until you've actually been there and experienced it. The atmosphere in that room was electric! The excitement was shared between the cast and the fanbase and it was a lot of fun.

4) Castle is a show that carries the 2nd largest Internet fanbase and that fanbase has been acquired mostly by word of mouth. We all know that abc hasn't had to heavily promote Castle and yet it is still growing and thriving. The fans are driving this thing and Comic Con is a great way for the fans to interact with the cast and others involved with the show. And if you think the excitement of the fans didn't excite/fuel the cast, think again. They were so excited to head back to film on the Monday after (per tweet from Jon Huertas).

You may not have meant to insult by your questions but the wording came across very insulting. All I can say is "Don't Dis It Until You Try It!"

September 4, 2011
6:02 pm
Noblelox
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 93
Member Since:
January 27, 2011
Offline
14
0

Again, people, I'm not trying to dismiss or belittle comic-con. I like Alie's "fan appreciation" angle, which is not a bad idea.

But everyone is missing the point/question. Are there better things that ABC/Cast/Crew could do to promote the show?

Yes, Facebook…twitter…this site…forums…comic-con…etc… they all talk to the same already eager fan-base. A fan-base that doesn't need convincing. Alie is right, there is nothing wrong with showing appreciation to that fan-base, but wouldn't a round of cast appearances on chat shows and a proper trailer to three be a better publicity engine, rather than appreciating the existing fans?  As a fan, I'd appreciate it more, if the show got 5 million more viewers and was already renewed for 2 more seasons, than being able to watch a you-tube video of a panel that only a few thousand get to attend.

Are there any teasers and trailer yet? Seeing an isolated few seconds of the start of the next episode might be good enough to trill existing fans, but would confuse the hell out of anyone new to the show. The Dexter trailer is excellent () Are the makers of Castle too scared to give away the fact that Kate survives??

 

Come on ABC, sort it!

Another fine post from the semantically cute….. Noblelox {Ò¿Ó}
September 4, 2011
9:36 pm
FillKat
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 1115
Member Since:
June 21, 2011
Offline
15
0

So your real question is to do with what ABC does to promote Castle, to bring in more viewers? 

 

If this is your point, I'm not sure why ComicCon was brought into it, but….  With respect to ABC, or any other broadcast/cable show promotion, the only time they really promote a show is weeks and sometimes even months before a show ever airs for the first time.  After that, there isn't much in the way of prmoting the show.  It becomes word of mouth, and anyone that likes it tells others and the show takes off from there, or it doesn't.  There are any number of reasons why good shows get booted before they get a real chance to bring in proper viewship numbers, and why really crappy shows seem to go on forever.

I don't know what they do elsewhere in the world with respect to promoting shows, but the only thing we've seen here are a few 30sec promo's for the new season opener and that is normal for a show that has made it past it's first season.

 

I've never paid much attention to ComicCon, mostly because I don't live in California, but my impression of it (and correct me if I'm wrong here) has to do with shows that have a SyFy theme, such as Star Trek and X-Files.  If Castle can be at ComicCon, then why not Greys Anatomy, or Law & Order, etc?  I think maybe this was your point to begin with (I'm assuming you have these shows on the other side of the pond) to know what I am referring to.  Maybe Castle being at ComicCon has more to do with the backgrounds of some of the people involved with the show, from Rob Bowman, to Stana and Nathan.  I don't know what the criteria is for getting into ComicCon (I'm referring to shows, not attendees). 

 

Castle didn't get nominated for any awards this year either, and I don't know why.  Maybe ABC doesn't choose to spend money or resources on their shows in this way, and ComicCon was more to do with the actors and/or producers of the show pushing to go, or fans of Nathan wanting him there and the only way he would or could go, since he is no longer with FF, was to bring the Castle clan with him. 

A witty saying proves nothing ~ Voltaire ~
Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 587

Currently Online: ohsotall, crazy4castle, C_A, pwds, PenguinOfTroy, mbea, oznute, mutha_nite, kittycat, sweet tea, kiwiOCD, terilou8
66 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

dmcw: 3399

Nev827: 3279

Alie: 3132

Jamz: 2644

Leftfield: 2492

He-Touches-Things: 2350

KalliopePL: 1924

unniw: 1738

MissWanderer: 1640

sarah_darling: 1626

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 685

Members: 8750

Moderators: 2

Admins: 1

Forum Stats:

Groups: 6

Forums: 112

Topics: 3550

Posts: 112254

Newest Members: tcardec, Castlemaniac, aninha21, bela516, nanno2024, rogue17, CastlePedia, deballou, Betty Prince, etienner75

Moderators: Admin (4769), addonchat (-1)

Administrators: Admin (4769)