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6:17 pm
October 22, 2009
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March 25, 2010
OfflineFirst of all, wasn't this "article" a mash up of prior interviews, because for lots of the quotes, I am pretty sure that I have read those EXACT SAME WORDS before. I know, only so many ways to answer the SAME question [Image Can Not Be Found]
I don't WANT to be "Debbi Downer" here, nor get into a big debate over it. Lets call this more an "Expectation Check".
Season 2, episode 24 GAME: Andrew told us that the finale would be emotionally satisfying. It was emotional, but I believe that it was far from what most of us would call "satisfying". I agree that we saw some very good episodes / scenes this season that would NOT have been possible without those last three minutes in s2.
Now he is telling us that…
“We’ll really be dealing with where they are in their relationship in a serious way as we get to the end of the season.”
(to reign in our expectations). I look at the word "serious" and don't necessarily get a warm fuzzy feeling. Will it be entertaining - absolutely, will I be frustrated, quite likely, Will I still love the show – YEP and YEP! Heck, if they (Castle and Beckett) are going to be serious just maybe they will be more honest with each other ("you have a problem with that", "no, why would I", "Yes, why would you" – they both do it!)
The other more telling quote that should put our 'shipper hearts in neutral rather than "pedal to the metal" is…
and: “I think the audience will see his feelings for her in a way they haven’t seen before.”
the bold word I believe is the important take away here. Beckett might not see it, get it or accept it. We might get a better insight into Castle's feelings. Like someone else said we think that we have a handle on that. This makes me think that maybe I (we) don't know the rest of the story.
Additionally there's this little tidbit…
And I do feel there’s storytelling to be had, once the two of them get together, because there’s stuff to figure out there — but I don’t think we’re at that point yet. I feel like my job is to keep the audience invested in the relationship without them feeling they’re getting jerked around.”
Not to be disrespectful, but this sounds like a politician running for office – offer both sides (conflicting) what they want to hear at the same time. "we got stories on the other side" vs. "we're not there yet (yet again)"
I do find it interesting that AM doesn't say anything about how Beckett is feeling. We've been given very few glimpses at where she's at. The "confession" in SETUP was actually the first time we heard that there might be trouble in paradise. OK it was the second time, the first was what some have called a "snarky" "He's off in Africa saving the world" comment in KNOCKDOWN. We see Castle indirectly bouncing his feelings off of Alexis and Martha at home, while the window into Beckett's life has the curtains always closed.
Like I said, I don't want to start "The Big Debate" over what is on the way over the rest of the season, I would just like to temper the expectations a little, 'cause none of us want another 37 page post episode thread that's mostly "what's wrong with these people!" We (I) also do not want to have our Castle World come crashing down around our ears because our shipper expectations were set to high (like what happened in COUNTDOWN because of the the progress made in the prior 5 episodes and the confession in SETUP).
7:08 pm
October 27, 2010
OfflineI think the best way to look at it, at least for me, is a "positive" grain of salt. Recognize the good and excited feeling you get when you read the article, but don't bounce off the wall and start flailing right away b/c there's a lot to be dealt with. Additionally, while I love discussing the show and revisiting the episodes on dvd (which I was doing today) it really is just a show. A well written, well acting, and very entertaining show, but it's not worth starting WWIII, WWIV..etc after every episode if you aren't 100% satisfied.
7:18 pm
March 21, 2011
OfflineHonestly, I'm growing a little tired of the 'see Castle's feelings' bit all the time. We already know what his feelings are. It's Beckett that holds the title of enigma in this game. The phrase 'close to the vest' is almost like a cop out where they can use her emotional state in any way they want without it seeming contradictory because they have plausible deniability in the matter, IMO.
Overall, I really hope we get insight into Beckett's feelings soon. I don't need to be hit over the head every episode with Castle's devotion like it's something new.
7:34 pm
January 15, 2010
OfflineI think you're absolutely right jrabbit…expectations should be tempered by the fact that this is not too much different from what we have been told previously and elsewhere. We are consistently seeing the words "slow" and "not there yet", and even Stana (who is open in her encouragement to get them together) talks about issues that need to be discussed and resolved first (and I assume it was a misprint or Stana misspoke with regard to Gina cheating…I'm assuming that was a reference to Meredith).
The teasing about the rest of the season was intriguing. The reference to Castle and Beckett being closer than ever before has been used before this season to talk about Knockdown, so if nothing else, we might assume that there is some temptation beyond a kiss. As nike75 pointed out, the mention of a greater understanding of Castle's feelings is interesting, as most of us would probably say that those are fairly clear. But perhaps there is some other issue involved that complicates matters between he and Beckett into season 4…Castle has not seemed excited about the idea of marrying again, so I wonder if this factors in at all or gives him some pause at some point when he might be ready to act on his feelings.
It is encouraging to know that Marlowe is interested in keeping viewers invested in the relationship and avoiding a brother/sister vibe (which he seems to know many fans feel Bones hit around season 5). It is encouraging to know that he and Stana see the storyline potential beyond the chase, and that Marlowe seems to be supporting that position against network concerns. There is definitely nothing in that interview (or the ones at the beginning of the article from the recent EW cover on Nathan) that gives any indication of something major happening between Castle and Beckett this season. In addition that "dealing with where they are in their relationship in a serious way" is open to many interpretations.
I'd love to have no expectations whatsoever, but that is difficult from the way this show draws you in. I'd really like for the viewers to have a bit of clarity on Beckett's feelings for Castle before the season is over and for DMB to be out of the picture, but I realize those things may not happen either (those two things would make the season feel very complete to me). I'd expect season 4 to revolve around Castle and Beckett trying to figure out the feelings of the other and getting up the courage to take a risk on a relationship while trying to control the sexual tension brewing between them (hopefully without the interference of additional significant others). Considering the closeness that Castle and Beckett have built this season and the fact that Castle seems to be aware of serious feelings for Beckett, it would be nice to see them date and become involved in a relationship in season 4 or early season 5…but that is my perspective from what has occurred so far, and this is, of course, Marlowe's story…there's no telling what other issues he might dream up to alter the trajectory Castle and Beckett seem to be on. I aim to sit back and enjoy the ride and let go of expectations as much as possible.
The results of that poll are interesting so far…very few seem to want to wait until the final season for a relationship, a bit less than 60% seem to like the idea of a season 4 relationship, and a bit less than 40% seem to want the relationship further in the future but before the final season (the timing of which might be difficult to predict). Yet many of the comments so far show some frustration with the obstacles and a readiness for their relationship to progress.
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7:59 pm
October 27, 2010
OfflineI took that lil EW poll and while I voted "season 4" I'm not insisting a relationship by episode 3 or something rediculously early like that, but I think what I want to see most is that the more SOs are not used as obstacles. That should stay in this season. There are plenty of other factors with both characters w/o outside parties to create obstacles that must be navigated before embarking on a real relationship. I'd almost like to think of it like the type of pools you see that have long and shallow steps. So you're testing the water and you can comfortably move deeper into the water, but you aren't completely submerged in the deep end until you're completely ready. I wouldn't consider this a "one foot out the door" situation because even though you may be taking it slow bow "feet" are in the pool.
8:27 pm
January 4, 2011
OfflineWhile I do understand the need to temper down expectations I was looking at recent picture from the photo shoot and was reminded of something … It was put on the cover of last month's TV Guide with our favorite Dynamic Duo that they WILL.. it's only a matter of time. [Image Can Not Be Found] So while yes we do need to be patient, I can't imagine why they would let them put that on the cover if they were going to make us wait until next season or longer… just a thought…
8:31 pm
July 26, 2010
OfflineYou summed up the way I feel really well dmcw. Since Countdown, I've been trying not to have too high expectations. I'll try to enjoy whatever tiny step will be given to us. I try to reassure myself by thinking Andrew has a plan – and he said he does. Let's see how this plan unfolds.
To me, the perfect timing would be the end of season 4. I don't want them to get together before that. It would just be too early after the break-up with Josh (assuming they break up by the end of S3). Season 3 would be too soon, but season 5 would be too late, in my opinion.
If I hadn't lowered my expectations, I would expect a revelation of their feelings in the season 3 finale. But that might be too much to ask, at this point. So… I'll just want a little hint from Beckett, just a little something that would leave us hopeful and somehow reassured, during the hiatus.
We've had so many positive spoilers lately that it's hard not to get our hopes up. I still have the feeling this second part of the season will be interesting. And I definitely want to see what Andrew & co will come up with. It's easier to enjoy the show when you're "cautiously" hopeful, and not overly hopeful.
9:14 pm
April 15, 2010
OfflineAlie said:
I think the best way to look at it, at least for me, is a "positive" grain of salt. Recognize the good and excited feeling you get when you read the article, but don't bounce off the wall and start flailing right away b/c there's a lot to be dealt with. Additionally, while I love discussing the show and revisiting the episodes on dvd (which I was doing today) it really is just a show. A well written, well acting, and very entertaining show, but it's not worth starting WWIII, WWIV..etc after every episode if you aren't 100% satisfied.
I agree! I believe in being "caustiously optimistic" I think we just need to expect the best and not get our expectations super high.
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