1892Rojas said:

I didn't quite get that aside about Stana's personal life, halaci. I couldn't care less about that, and I would think none of us do. What they do in their downtime is theirs alone, and it shouldn't interfere with their acting. Unrelated, as a specimen of the male extraction a few blocks from the studio, I tell you that there are lots of sane men around. And yes, men who like women. And who are not actors. Just to dispel the illusion.  

Writing-wise, I tell you the problem: They get together, the relationship changes so much, it would be like watching a whole new show. You break expectations at your peril. A hit is not a sick puppy. You don't cure it.

What would change the most is Beckett. And all the things the two can do now, would be intolerable if they were in love. Financially, she wouldn't need to work. Emotionally, her drive works if there is no one in the present to protect. His tagging alone wouldn't be permitted. The list goes on. 

The options to have them consummate aren't good: Let's say they have a one night, or a secret affair- once that ends, and they move on (otherwise scenario A gets in motion), he can't stay around, b/c he's not tied there, unlike Esposito and Ryan. It's not his job. Getting together, in whatever manner, means either he can't tag along or she is on leave, permanently or not. And then it truly becomes Moonlighting, which so many here seem to love. 

Sorry, you tried to imply meanings into my post which were not in it. First, my remark about the sane men was a joke, I don't have any illusion that an actress can find a partner only among actors, just the opposite. I mentioned her real life because a TV show is largely business. If it proved itself even more it is. As Castle is successful, the showrunners and the bosses at the channel can start to calculate in longer terms, what means years (the normal contracts are for 7 years AFAIK, we are in the third now). I doubt very much that there are no contingency plans for the case if the female protagonist wants to be a family woman sometime during the show, because four year is a long time. It doesn't interfere how she can act (talentwise), but affects greatly what and when she can act. It's nothing about my intention to peak into her private life.

About the personal relationship of Castle and Beckett: I wrote it clearly that if they admit their feelings (Note: not jumping into bed and running to the church, just admitting that it hurts both of them seeing the other one with someone else!) around the middle of this season then there are at least two more years(!) what I expect as an obstacle course. Right because falling in love and accepting somebody as a full-time part of my life are two completely different things even for people without wounds. It would mean that we are now in the fifth season. You rationalize why they would part in real life if they consummate. Well, in real life an indepentent, single and mature man and woman won't circle each other for five years without either coming together or parting finally.

I agree completely with Leftfield: being as a couple or more precisely: the process how they become a couple provides a much wider array of conflicts (bases for funny banters!) then a never ending UST. I wrote it previously in another topic: now they have only two fields where they can clash: work and flirting. All the other parts of their life is "none of your business". If they are together – in the process of learning and trying to accept the other one fully – all part of their life is a "warzone", topics what have to be debated and finally agreed on them. From Alexis school through Beckett's control in work to the ultimate who-squeezed-the-toothpaste-in-the-middle, everything must be seen from a new aspect. I trust in the writers that they dare to make an interesting and funny show without twenty year old clichés.

1892Rojas said:

Ah, Leftfield. I always love a 'with all due respect' preface. You can cut the tension with a knife, to bring up a writing cliche. However, with all due respect… we're all making assumptions, so that veiled disqualification is not relevant and runs counter to that pledge of respectfulness, even though I do hope you really meant it.  

What I'm assuming is not what I would like nor is it inexorable, only probable. Because you don't tinker with success.

Now you speak of characters as persons, and that's, in my mind, a mistake: I think characters are relationships and situations. One or the other changes and the show changes. The change would work as if it were a spin-off, a new show. It's possible, but to say it would be the same is disingenuous. Beckett and Castle as a couple would be the same as saying you want to see Beckett and Castle in different shows, alone, and because you love the characters and the actors, your loyalty may be assured, but any of these changes is a risk for the network, a gamble they won't take any sooner than they have to. 

With all do respect, again (ha, ha, and I do mean it).  Of course I think of them as people, with all of their complications and faults.  If I were to only think of them as relationships and situations, then they become two-dimensional to me, and less interesting.  It seems to me that our opinions are different in that you feel putting them in a relationship would kill the show because they would be forced into a narrow set of options as to what they could then do with the characters.  I feel that putting them together would open up the show to a larger set of options and situations that are not open to them now. 

You also seem to feel that "if it's not broken, don't fix it".  I feel that they have had such a large amount of success pushing the boundaries that they should keep doing it.  Keeping a successful show static, IMO, in the end will not succeed, people get bored and frustrated (once again, I'm using Bones as my example) and move on to something else.  Tell a good story, if the story calls for them to get together, then do it.   I really think that they have the talent and guts to make it work.  The fact that Moonlighting failed in the attempt is not relevant.

Anyway that's my two cents.  If I've misunderstood your posts, my apologies.

jrabbit said:

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2) He's made a comment that he hasn't been on a show thats lasted this long – and I really think he loves Castle

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I think that's the main reason behind his reservation. And as we know from Martha, all actors are superstitious – so if there's a curse, he wants to avoid it.

It was good to see on the panel that even though Captain Mal Reynolds will live forever, people wanted to hear him about Castle and how could it be possible to incorporate the other fan-projects into the show (like the NPH challenge, or the CC episode), not how could Nathan do them beside (or instead of) Castle.

I learned one thing from watching all the clips and interviews from sdcc this weekend:  Castle and Beckett are not getting together anytime soon. 

I really thought this show would break the mold but after this weekend I seriously doubt it, Bones here we come.

I know right!!

mig991 said:

I learned one thing from watching all the clips and interviews from sdcc this weekend:  Castle and Beckett are not getting together anytime soon. 

Reveal Spoiler

Not with Lanie and Espo hooking up

and the things that Marlowe continues to say over and over.

I really thought this show would break the mold but after this weekend I seriously doubt it, Bones here we come.

I hope you are not right, I came to just the opposite conclusion. I have to underline that for me "getting together" means just the start of the process of accepting each other. Not something like a kiss and "then they live happily ever after". I think they won't be married, they won't live together soon (I mean in the next two-three seasons), just in case if something happens in the real life what makes it necessary to speed up the things.

But at the same time I think the writers are both bold and can learn from others mistakes – like the very negative reactions of the season finale of Bones. The development of Caskett's relationship was unusually fast. I dare to say that no one expected them coming together in the second season and that they will be at a point when only a deus ex machina can part them. I do not want to believe that after all of this they would want to halt lamely in that "I'm hiding my feelings, though I'm crazy about you" stage for years. So I think that we will see a positive start in this season and then some year of slow pace development with many hickups and temporary stops, even crisises, but with a continous arc.

What you mentioned in your spoiler I think will be another paralell, or reflective side of their relation, like it was Castle home life. Their own conflicts and feelings can be talked and thought over in the mirror of that.