Van said:

 I need the writers to be more mindful of the details. 

 

Yes, absolutely.  The inattention to detail is what has made the last 3 episodes very disjointed and presented a radically different Beckett from the one who has been presented to us thus far.

Van said:

castle_lover45 said:

 

 
Right!? That's what I'm sayin'! I mean, I know sometimes it can be a little different reading people when your feelings are involved and you can get blinded a little but c'mon! I've always pictured Beckett as this BAMF who could read poeple like a book and see exactly what's going on. Not just blindly stomping all over Castle's feelings without a second thought. It's like running over a cute little kitten in the car and being like, "What was that bump? Oh well, probably nothing." How cruel can you be?  I was super sad at the lack of Beckett reactions in Overkill. She was just like, la dee da dee da, going along her merry way trodding all over Castle's heart. No last second contemplating reactions, no thoughful expressions, nothing. *sigh* That's why I was wondering if it was the writing or the directing that had me all messed up.

 

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 Okay, let's say Beckett is completely unaware of any attraction toward her from Castle.  Or say that she is aware of it and it's "complicated' for her right now.  There's still no reason for her to be so distant and insensitive.  What we've seen this season is a beautiful friendship develop.  Demming, who I like, shows up and Beckett dismisses all of that. Castle's no longer her friend and the reason he is there which the shadowing isn't even happening.  I need the writers to be more mindful of the details. 

Precisely Van! Sadly, it looks like no matter which way you flip it, Beckett is still kind of being an ass.  What happened to the outwardly harsh but secretly, inside, sweet and caring Beckett that we all fell in love with? I think the writers have been watching a few too many soaps lately.

musiclover said:

Ok will somebody please explain how Beckett has been out of character I've rewatched overkill 3 times and can't exactly pick up on how becketts ooc

It's not so much anything that she did to be OOC musiclover, it's mostly stuff she didn't do. It was her complete oblivion to Castle the entire episode. The whole series until now, she has been annoyed with him, yet secretly likes him being around. She always invites him to go with her to do stuff and she even checks people who don't want him there. (e.g. Sorensen.) But lately, despite the fact that this entire season has been building up their friendship and the idea that even if they're not romantically together, they still like being with each other, she's just seemed to toss it all out the window because of Demming. I could see her pushing Castle away a little, if their relationship was strictly romantic tension but it's not. It's a genuine friendship and the fact that she has a new boyfriend shoudn't change that. Basically what I'm trying to say is, in Overkill, she acted like she didn't even really care that Castle was around and that's not her. See what I'm saying? 

castle_lover45 said:

musiclover said:

Ok will somebody please explain how Beckett has been out of character I've rewatched overkill 3 times and can't exactly pick up on how becketts ooc

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It's not so much anything that she did to be OOC musiclover, it's mostly stuff she didn't do. It was her complete oblivion to Castle the entire episode. The whole series until now, she has been annoyed with him, yet secretly likes him being around. She always invites him to go with her to do stuff and she even checks people who don't want him there. (e.g. Sorensen.) But lately, despite the fact that this entire season has been building up their friendship and the idea that even if they're not romantically together, they still like being with each other, she's just seemed to toss it all out the window because of Demming. I could see her pushing Castle away a little, if their relationship was strictly romantic tension but it's not. It's a genuine friendship and the fact that she has a new boyfriend shoudn't change that. Basically what I'm trying to say is, in Overkill, she acted like she didn't even really care that Castle was around and that's not her. See what I'm saying? 

I'm with Musiclover, I'm just not see the OOC behavior from Beckett.  She is Castle's friend and professional partner, but she does have a "boyfriend" now.  Would it really be appropriate or in character for her to continue on with her usual Castle relationship, banter etc. while romantically involved with Demming?  She now has to consider Demming's feeings too.  If Demming and Beckett are a "couple" now (I know, it's just temporary) Castle is sometimes the third wheel whether he likes it or not.  And we all have to take into account that Castle has never made a move or play for her that she can take seriously.  She has feelings for him that I think she decided will never come to fruition for multiple reasons.  She knows he has feelings for her, but what kind and how deep, she doesn't know how seriously to take him.  He uses his "poker face" with her quite effectively and in the long run that has been a mistake on his part.  

I think we have to realize, too, that in a 40 odd minute show, you sometimes don't have a lot of time for subtlety to get your point across.  Some of everyone's behavior has been exaggerated, I think, to get us to the point where we are to set up what's going to happen next. 

Anyway, my two cents, for what it's worth.

Leftfield said:  

I'm with Musiclover, I'm just not see the OOC behavior from Beckett.  She is Castle's friend and professional partner, but she does have a "boyfriend" now.  Would it really be appropriate or in character for her to continue on with her usual Castle relationship, banter etc. while romantically involved with Demming?  She now has to consider Demming's feeings too.  If Demming and Beckett are a "couple" now (I know, it's just temporary) Castle is sometimes the third wheel whether he likes it or not.  And we all have to take into account that Castle has never made a move or play for her that she can take seriously.  She has feelings for him that I think she decided will never come to fruition for multiple reasons.  She knows he has feelings for her, but what kind and how deep, she doesn't know how seriously to take him.  He uses his "poker face" with her quite effectively and in the long run that has been a mistake on his part.  

I think we have to realize, too, that in a 40 odd minute show, you sometimes don't have a lot of time for subtlety to get your point across.  Some of everyone's behavior has been exaggerated, I think, to get us to the point where we are to set up what's going to happen next. 

Anyway, my two cents, for what it's worth.

Yeah, I see your point Leftfield. I'm sure the writers have thought this out a lot more carefully than we maybe give them credit for…but still. I don't know, maybe I'm just irked by all this angst so I'm taking it out on anything and everything (like my pillow with a knife!  JK) I guess, the fact that she does like Castle and the fact that she also really likes Demming, would make sense that she's trying not to upset Demming either…bleh! I have no idea. I'm done thinking about it. My head hurts. I'm just gonna kick back and wait for monday now.

belle_lover said:

Leftfield you summed up my feelings as well.

Ditto. I don't think she's OOC. As ususal people are just projecting what they think they see unto the situation.

I think that the bottom line for me and many others is that we just want Beckett to be with Castle and for Demming to take a leap.  Putting Demming into the loop has thrown me off, I'm cranky and out of sorts with this particular story line and want to see it end.  Which I think we will next week.  I think that it really speaks to power of this show that I can get so worked up over, what is, bottom line, really just an fictional story.

At the same time can I see why they inserted Demming into the story.  Caskett getting together would not be so sweet if they didn't make it hard.  Obstacles are going to thrown in the way of getting Beckett and Castle together, it was inevitable that the outside love interest was going to happen.  Castle has had his turn with other women, now the shoe is on the other foot.

I really think that by next week this particular obstacle with have resolved itself somehow.  Unfortunately, I think that a new, maybe even more gut-wrenching, obstacle will take it's place (ahh the joys of the season ending cliffhanger).

The writing in Castle is exceptional and I have every faith that they know what they are doing.  I really think that the characters are not being written OOC as much as things have been exaggerated to get their point across. 

dmcw said:

castle_lover45 said:

musiclover said:

Ok will somebody please explain how Beckett has been out of character I've rewatched overkill 3 times and can't exactly pick up on how becketts ooc

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It's not so much anything that she did to be OOC musiclover, it's mostly stuff she didn't do. It was her complete oblivion to Castle the entire episode. The whole series until now, she has been annoyed with him, yet secretly likes him being around. She always invites him to go with her to do stuff and she even checks people who don't want him there. (e.g. Sorensen.) But lately, despite the fact that this entire season has been building up their friendship and the idea that even if they're not romantically together, they still like being with each other, she's just seemed to toss it all out the window because of Demming. I could see her pushing Castle away a little, if their relationship was strictly romantic tension but it's not. It's a genuine friendship and the fact that she has a new boyfriend shoudn't change that. Basically what I'm trying to say is, in Overkill, she acted like she didn't even really care that Castle was around and that's not her. See what I'm saying?
 

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Hmmm…I have to admit that the general feeling of frustration and dissatisfaction with the characters and the show is bumming me out the last few days.  Don't get me wrong…there are certainly things I am unhappy about or miss…as I said earlier in the thread, I miss the Castle/Beckett banter, and I have felt that Beckett has been a little rude a couple of times and Castle less colorful.

However, I really don't believe any of this is truly out of character.  The characters have never been in the current situation (Beckett smitten with someone new and Castle confused and feeling like he's losing someone he cares about).  How can we really know how they'd react to these new situations?

As far as Beckett, yes…she hasn't been as responsive to Castle, but she considered all his ideas on the case in Overkill, interrogated with him, built theory with him, teased him about being a metrosexual, told him that they make a good team, included him in everything but the robbey bits…I know there are more examples in the ep…but it seemed like enough for me! 

I mean she's dating a new guy…it would be rude for her to continue to flirt and banter with Castle while she is pursuing something with someone else!  I think the banter suffering is inevitable under the circumstances much as those of us who enjoy that don't like it missing.  I wouldn't think her classy if she were playing both sides. 

And even if she thinks Castle may have feelings for her beyond wanting a hook up (which she doesn't want), I don't blame her for forging ahead with Demming…she said pretty clearly in the last episode that she doesn't want to take a risk on a guy like Castle. She has tried to keep the new relationship details away from him…not wanting to admit they are sharing a cab, not talking after Castle's boyfriend comment, not even admitting to a date in the last ep until Castle pressed her for info.  It's just my opinion, but I think they have done Kate enough justice in these episodes…and Castle too (the funniest, liveliest guys go through rough patches also).

I know many, many of you disagree, but I just had to vent…sorry!  Marlowe and Company may be guilty of going down a storyline path that many take issue with (it's not my favorite either), but I really think they've stayed true to the characters within the story they have constructed.  I am trying to keep the faith that the writers will turn this around in season 3 and find other ways to keep them apart if they want to continue the dance.  I can't wait for the joy to return to Rick, the show, and the board! 

EDIT:  Haha!  Leftfield, I was typing my long-winded version of your post while you were posting…well said.

You know, you expressed a lot of things that I was thinking about, but having trouble getting out.  I really agree with your assessment.  Keep the faith!