The first, best, most accurate and only Castle fan site that allows you to interact with the Castle cast & crew

Forums

Who's in Chat? [Chat Now]

A A A

Please consider registering
guest

Log In Register

Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search:

— Forum Scope —



— Match —



— Forum Options —




Wildcard usage:
*  matches any number of characters    %  matches exactly one character

Minimum search word length is 4 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters

Topic RSS
I think I Know What Shakes The Castle-Verse...
December 26, 2009
9:46 pm
maryc
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 308
Member Since:
July 6, 2009
Offline
1
0

First you have to ask yourself:  "What IS the Castle-Verse? What is it built on?"

It's Built on the murder of Johanna Beckett.  It's what motivated Kate to become a cop. It's was why she started reading Richard Castle's books.  Because she read his books, she was able to recognize what was with the murders in Flowers for Her Grave, which led her to Richard Castle which led HIM to following Kate for his next series of books.

So. What would rock that 'verse? Shake it to it's very core?  My guess–Johanna Beckett isn't dead.  She's in the Witness Protection Program.

Kate tried to investigate her murder, but went nowhere! Why? There were roadblocks thrown in her way. If she was successful in her investigations, she would have found her mom, which would have put her mom (and the whole family) in danger.

Look at how the "murder" happened:  Jim Beckett and Kate were nowhere near the house. They were out.  That's a perfect staging for a faked murder.

Look at how the murder was classified: random gang violence.  That takes the actuall killers off the trail. They have nothing to be worried about now, everyone thinks it was gang violence.  Nothing ties to them at all.

Finally–Marlowe talks about this story line carrying over into season 3 and perhaps season 4.  What better story arc can you have? First they find out she's not dead. They need to solve why soemone wanted her(and 3 others) dead, and THEN they need to find out where she is. What happened to Johanna Beckett?

That's a story arc that could last at least 2 seasons, without it getting boring!

So, that's my guess as to how the "Murder of Johanna Beckett" will play out for the series.

Waddya think, sirs?

~maryc
December 26, 2009
11:29 pm
lilmac41319
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 887
Member Since:
July 10, 2009
Offline
2
0

I think that is very clever indeed. I wonder if and how the whole Johanna Beckett case will be presented/solved.

December 26, 2009
11:59 pm
Seriously?
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 399
Member Since:
October 24, 2009
Offline
3
0

I read this theory over on TWOP. Honestly, the thought has crossed my mind previously but at the same time, I'm not 100% sure I buy it. It seems like such a cop out to me, no pun intended. So many tv shows have played up the whole, "Oh by the way, so & so is really alive!" angle. I personally don't really find it clever, but I could see it happening. I kind of hope they avoid doing that but we'll see how it all unfolds.

Actually, I kind of hesitate to even speculate at this point. I just want to go with it and see where it ends up. Speculation seems to set me up for disappointment. lol

Real Detectives Wear Heels – visit us at http://fashion.castletv.net/ or on Twitter @CastleFashion
December 27, 2009
12:21 am
welcome_ to_ my _world
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 83
Member Since:
December 9, 2009
Offline
4
0

i toyally agree with you itsmyworld im just going with the flow and what happens happens

December 27, 2009
12:27 am
MereBelle007
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 263
Member Since:
December 4, 2009
Offline
5
0

this theory has become so common for show that starts out with a "dead" parent that i almost come to expect it.  personally, i don't think castle is the right kind of show where this would work.  i definitely think that the thing that "shakes the castle-verse" has to do with johanna's murder, but i don't think it will have to do with her actually being alive.

December 27, 2009
12:54 am
sarah_darling
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 1626
Member Since:
October 19, 2009
Offline
6
0

I definitely agree that it would shake up the Castle-Verse, but I think it would end up with a more negative effect. Like people have said, so many shows in the past have played that storyline out. This might cause Castle to lose fans when they repeat a storyline. I love Castle so much because it's something I haven't ever seen before.

Becklers do it with the beckle on. http://www.swagbucks.com/refer.....rahdarling
December 27, 2009
4:13 am
KalliopePL
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 1924
Member Since:
June 3, 2009
Offline
7
0

No. I think that Kate's Mom is really dead. The fact that both Kate and her father were outside of home in the restaurant waiting for Johanna to join them only strenghtens the theory that if anybody was observing her took this opportunity to commit the murder.

Agree with MereBelle that the thing that "shakes the castle-verse" has to do with Johanna's murder, but I think that it's gonna be probably one of the questions "WHY?" getting an answer here. Perhaps we're going to find out that Kate's father was somehow involved in his wife's murder? And the sense of guilt led him to heavy drinking?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Kalliope_Pl/banner_Kalliope_v3.jpg Banner by petal of roses
December 27, 2009
5:10 am
PamFromCalif
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 213
Member Since:
December 8, 2009
Offline

MereBelle007 said:this theory has become so common for show that starts out with a "dead" parent that i almost come to expect it.  personally, i don't think castle is the right kind of show where this would work.  i definitely think that the thing that "shakes the castle-verse" has to do with johanna's murder, but i don't think it will have to do with her actually being alive.


I so agree we have seen that play out so often and mainly in soap operas but I won't rule anything out. I still think Beckett's father and Castle go behind Beckett's back to check out the leads Castle found out about and Kate just goes nuts over it, she is worried her Dad will hit the bottle hard again and that she will crack under the old pressure of not being able to find her Mom's killer she will blame Castle as we might see her Dad in a bar and she has to go bring him home. This might cause a big rift between her and Castle as she wanted to keep this case closed. Shake the castle world might be her Dad knows more then he let on, or that they find out something her Mom was involved in and that leads to clues of others who were murdered but their deaths logged as her Mom's was.

Beckett and her father surely buried her Mom and saw her body so I doubt she is still alive ,to cliche for me.

Beckett will blame Castle she needs someone to be angry at and her Dad is still on shakey ground he is a recovering alcoholic and she won't go after him but target Castle for opening up this cans of worms.This will cause these two to fight and then Castle may end up trying in his way to comfort her and thus she pushes him away. This sets up #14 and the tension going forward with these two fighting and wanting each other but not able to get past all the new emotions each is feeling for the other or admitting they have for the other.

Two weeks until a new episode feels like ages!

December 27, 2009
6:06 am
Admin
Admin
Forum Posts: 4769
Member Since:
April 29, 2008
Offline
9
0

But Dr Death is the best… you really think he'd overlook the fact that the body isn't dead? or isn't who it's supposed to be?

Site Administrator
December 27, 2009
6:19 am
KalliopePL
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 1924
Member Since:
June 3, 2009
Offline
10
0

Castle said:But Dr Death is the best… you really think he'd overlook the fact that the body isn't dead? or isn't who it's supposed to be?


Precisely. Plus, as pamfromcalif said, Kate and her dad saw and identified the body and buried her.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Kalliope_Pl/banner_Kalliope_v3.jpg Banner by petal of roses
December 27, 2009
9:32 am
nalissa2
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 1183
Member Since:
May 8, 2009
Offline
11
0

Farscapefan said:

No. I think that Kate's Mom is really dead. The fact that both Kate and her father were outside of home in the restaurant waiting for Johanna to join them only strenghtens the theory that if anybody was observing her took this opportunity to commit the murder.

Agree with MereBelle that the thing that "shakes the castle-verse" has to do with Johanna's murder, but I think that it's gonna be probably one of the questions "WHY?" getting an answer here. Perhaps we're going to find out that Kate's father was somehow involved in his wife's murder? And the sense of guilt led him to heavy drinking?


I think it will be more along the lines of what FSF said. The whole "she's not dead" scenario will cheapen the Beckett character I feel. I hope that's not what's going to "shake" us. It would also mirror Bones too closely and I think this is something they'd want to get away from. I believe it will lead to her Dad having something to do with it, maybe not directly, but in some way and that will cause a rift between them and in turn she will "lose" both parents. I think somehow she'll react irrationally and blame Castle for whatever she uncovers…

NYPD. Open the damn door!
December 27, 2009
12:34 pm
PamFromCalif
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 213
Member Since:
December 8, 2009
Offline
12
0

nalissa2 said:

Farscapefan said:

No. I think that Kate's Mom is really dead. The fact that both Kate and her father were outside of home in the restaurant waiting for Johanna to join them only strenghtens the theory that if anybody was observing her took this opportunity to commit the murder.

Agree with MereBelle that the thing that "shakes the castle-verse" has to do with Johanna's murder, but I think that it's gonna be probably one of the questions "WHY?" getting an answer here. Perhaps we're going to find out that Kate's father was somehow involved in his wife's murder? And the sense of guilt led him to heavy drinking?


I think it will be more along the lines of what FSF said. The whole "she's not dead" scenario will cheapen the Beckett character I feel. I hope that's not what's going to "shake" us. It would also mirror Bones too closely and I think this is something they'd want to get away from. I believe it will lead to her Dad having something to do with it, maybe not directly, but in some way and that will cause a rift between them and in turn she will "lose" both parents. I think somehow she'll react irrationally and blame Castle for whatever she uncovers…


Here is big long shot twist to the shake the Castle world. Maybe it is Kate who was the alcoholic and her Dad gave her the watch for five years being sober. Then again we have seen her drink wine in bath tub reading Castle's book. I remember season 1 at the gala charity event Beckett wanted a volka and said just get me water. (She was undercover working though) Would be a shocker to know she took the nose dive instead of her father and kept it quiet so as not to lose her job as a Det. I told you a long shot. Plus she said the watch for the life she saved and the ring for the life she lost. Unless she saved her life and her fathers and they both hit the bottle. Nope back to this isn't it.

December 27, 2009
12:59 pm
Admin
Admin
Forum Posts: 4769
Member Since:
April 29, 2008
Offline
13
0

Beckett doesn't strike me as a liar.

Site Administrator
December 27, 2009
1:52 pm
Rvandsing (St Louis area)
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 276
Member Since:
September 5, 2009
Offline
14
0

I doubt that Beckett's mom is still alive.  For one thing, as others have mentioned, I believe she and/or her dad ID'd the body.  Second, the big "twist" that Castle discovered was that there were OTHER murders committed nearly the same time and the people were in some way connected to Beckett's mom (someone who worked for her and another person in some capacity of the law?).  This lends credence to the idea her death was not an isolated incident, and certainly was not random drug violence.   

I also doubt that Beckett would have resorted to alcohol…seems out of character.  That is a "retreatest" method of dealing with the death and Beckett instead investigated her Mom's death exhaustively to the point where she nearly lost herself in doing so. 

I like the thought that re-opening the case might cause Beckett's dad to have some difficulties (and perhaps that's where Castle will help out–in preventing Beckett's Dad from relapsing–that could be interesting).  I also can see Kate being very grateful to Castle for sticking with the clues even though she didn't want him to do so…she's liable to see his persistence as similar to her own, giving them something else to have in common.  However, I can't see her telling him so directly, unless they have "one of those moments" when she's unguarded and comments about it.  But if she spent 3 years working on her Mom's case and Castle found information that helps in that investigation, she will undoubtedly feel some sense of kinship with him and likely be thankful for his help. 

Think coffee machine.  We've seen that evolve from contempt by her for his "new coffee machine" to "sneaking a cup" from his machine to openly drinking from his cup to being very blase and gracious when he spilled coffee on her.  I can see their working on her Mom's case go the same way. 

Rvandsing — North side of 60 and proud of it — Cubs Fan forever
December 27, 2009
2:19 pm
unniw
Hard Core Castle Groupie
Forum Posts: 1738
Member Since:
October 10, 2009
Offline
15
0

"shake the foundations of the Castle-verse" – IMO the foundation is Beckett-Castle-relationship, they are so good friends now that if there's no quarrel they would get together soon. So to drag it out, they will have a quarrel, and go dating other people… we've been warned that's what they'll do. Just have to see how long it takes them to find their way back… So in episode 13 they find something to quarrel about. Will it be related to her mom's case? Probably, but maybe not. Maybe it's related to episode 12.

I wish I knew how to quit you.
Forum Timezone: America/New_York

Most Users Ever Online: 587

Currently Online: Blackfel, DJ, rkcaskett, He-Touches-Things, ChrisS, lvncastle, lovebeckettncastle, dmm, oznute, FillKat, CastleRocks28, terilou8, SenoritaLopes
69 Guest(s)

Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)

Top Posters:

dmcw: 3399

Nev827: 3279

Alie: 3134

Jamz: 2644

Leftfield: 2492

He-Touches-Things: 2359

KalliopePL: 1924

unniw: 1738

MissWanderer: 1640

sarah_darling: 1626

Member Stats:

Guest Posters: 685

Members: 8754

Moderators: 2

Admins: 1

Forum Stats:

Groups: 6

Forums: 112

Topics: 3551

Posts: 112363

Newest Members: bek23, razzleedazzle, Myms, tbatt247, tcardec, Castlemaniac, aninha21, bela516, nanno2024, rogue17

Moderators: Admin (4769), addonchat (-1)

Administrators: Admin (4769)