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I think I Know What Shakes The Castle-Verse...
December 27, 2009
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…and while it's fun to speculate, I think that Beckett being a liar is as likely to happen as my joking comment the other day about Beckett & Castle having the same father. Just NOT going to happen, so out of line for the show.


omg, now Beckett and Castle being related….that would be a shocker. Thanks, I needed that chuckle Smile

December 27, 2009
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So much we guess is always wrong. It's way too funny. I think some of the far-fetched stuff is just that, far-fetched, and very bad fanfic like. (Like those really bad fanfics we read because they might get better, and then they never do.)

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December 27, 2009
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Castle said:I just think it's kind of hilarious how much people are reading into Jose's teasing.. I suspect he was just trying to get us excited about the ep, not give us any hidden messages…

and while it's fun to speculate, I think that Beckett being a liar is as likely to happen as my joking comment the other day about Beckett & Castle having the same father. Just NOT going to happen, so out of line for the show.


Writers in writers meetings throw stuff around and off one another just like we do as fans trying to figure out the plots before we see them air. I haen't read fanfic so I don't know what that is all about guessing stories of Castle and Beckett we will never see on tv correct???

I doubt Beckett will be a big liar or a drunk, just throwing things out there I did say it was a long shot. Also I am sure the wrtiers love getting us talking about the show that's a win win for the series don't you think.

 I think after reading all our posts we may just find good things come out of #13 and not bad and twisted.

I love Beckett & Castle characters and I am one of the few who want to see them as a couple before we go five or six seasons if we are lucky enough to get that far in TV land. Any movement forward in their relationship I welcome but I am guessing we will go forward and backwards through a few seasons lol! Looks like no Castle episode again until Jan.2nd correct no Monday episode tomorrow night?Love2

December 28, 2009
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pamfromcalif said:

I love Beckett & Castle characters and I am one of the few who want to see them as a couple before we go five or six seasons if we are lucky enough to get that far in TV land.


Believe me, you're not one of the few, you're one of the many. A lot of us just don't want it rushed, seeing as rushing the two major characters into a relationship usually ruins a show.

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December 28, 2009
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sarah_darling said:

pamfromcalif said:

I love Beckett & Castle characters and I am one of the few who want to see them as a couple before we go five or six seasons if we are lucky enough to get that far in TV land.


Believe me, you're not one of the few, you're one of the many. A lot of us just don't want it rushed, seeing as rushing the two major characters into a relationship usually ruins a show.


Couldn't agree more. I want to see them as a couple, but not too soon. The end of season 3 or mid-season 4 would be perfect smile But to achieve this we still need eyeballs to secure good ratings for our favourite show! Bounce2

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December 28, 2009
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Farscapefan said:

sarah_darling said:

pamfromcalif said:

I love Beckett & Castle characters and I am one of the few who want to see them as a couple before we go five or six seasons if we are lucky enough to get that far in TV land.


Believe me, you're not one of the few, you're one of the many. A lot of us just don't want it rushed, seeing as rushing the two major characters into a relationship usually ruins a show.


Couldn't agree more. I want to see them as a couple, but not too soon. The end of season 3 or mid-season 4 would be perfect smile But to achieve this we still need eyeballs to secure good ratings for our favourite show! Bounce2


Agreed we need more eyeballs watching I think I have driven my family & friends nuts with check out Castle but I have brought in 13 new viewers in the past month and they are watching so this means so far about six episodes with the Sat showings too. I just hope they tell friends and so on to watch too.!

December 28, 2009
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pamfromcalif said:

nalissa2 said:I think I'd stop watching if Kate suddenly turned into a liar and a recovering alcoholic. Sad


Remember she told him about her Mother in season one episode 5, lots has changed since then for her and Castle. She hasn't said anything about drinking so that wouldn't be a lie. Sometimes people side step issues and information on themselves. In last night's episode Kate actually lies to the doctors wife and says someone in the dept lost notes and they were talking to the doctor again to make sure they got everything right .That was a lie, sometimes it happens. She didn't want to upset the wife or the son, and so she went along with the doctors wishes and told a lie. I don't think her not telling Rick about her past is lying, she said her Father was a recovering alcoholic and told him this one time not over and over again.

 I said it would be a long shot twist if it did happen to be her instead of her Dad. Also not unknown for a family to have more then one person who is a heavy drinker or an alcoholic. I hope Kate's character isn't but her Mother was murdered and I could see someone turning to drugs or drink to numb things, Kate seems to strong a person to do this but she did go to counseling because she almost couldn't handle it.


I honestly don't think this is a possible scenario, while she didn't say she was an alcoholic the fact that she helped her father climb out of the bottle would indicate that she would have had to be in a sounder state of mind. If she were also in that bottle with him she'd hardly be in any state to help anyone.

This personal revelation was a surprise I think to Castle AND Beckett. It was only after solving a crime that mirrored her own tragedy that she was able to even go to such a painful place and for her to tell Castle was a generous gesture of trust in him. We know Beckett is not a "sharer" as Ryan has told us, so for her to make that revelation, unbidden is quite a big step forward in their relationship. For me it would be also out of character for her to use that opportunity to lie -especially since Castle, while curious, was not pressing her for details.

I'm not saying she is incapable of lying; of course she does. But look at the context in which she does it:

She's lying to save the Doctor's wife any unnecessary grief since at that time they weren't sure the Doctor was guilty of anything else than lying about his alibi. When she lies it's either to get the suspects to tell the truth, from leaving town, or to shield someone from the hurtful truth.

As is, Beckett is presented as the quintessential ideal of today's professional woman. She's quirky, but she's smart and strong without being masculine.  That is why to "suddenly" have her lying (even by omission) will be such a disservice to such a strong character IMO.

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December 28, 2009
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nalissa2 said:

As is, Beckett is presented as the quintessential ideal of today's professional woman. She's quirky, but she's smart and strong without being masculine.  That is why to "suddenly" have her lying (even by omission) will be such a disservice to such a strong character IMO.


Completely agreed.

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December 28, 2009
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sarah_darling said:

nalissa2 said:

As is, Beckett is presented as the quintessential ideal of today's professional woman. She's quirky, but she's smart and strong without being masculine.  That is why to "suddenly" have her lying (even by omission) will be such a disservice to such a strong character IMO.


Completely agreed.


Agree as well.

December 29, 2009
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MereBelle007 said:this theory has become so common for show that starts out with a "dead" parent that i almost come to expect it.  personally, i don't think castle is the right kind of show where this would work.  i definitely think that the thing that "shakes the castle-verse" has to do with johanna's murder, but i don't think it will have to do with her actually being alive.

That's what I thought when they did the episode that was similar to "Strangers on a Train". So many shows have done that- and while i will typically say 'ugh' at first, they do manage it well. It's fun. If they did do the 'alive' angle, I would hope they would find a way to do it incredibly well and with a different spin. However…I don't think they will. After all this time, and with how it effected Beckett and her dad, if they brought it up now, it would really make a mess, I think. I mean, think of how Beckett would react, and how her dad would more than likely have every reason to slip back to the bottle. And that would be hard on Beckett, etc. I'm torn, really.

But I agree with everyone so far who has said that the 'castle-verse' is shaken by Johanna's murder.

December 29, 2009
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What if Beckett's dad killed her mom? I mean it's possible

December 29, 2009
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musiclover said:What if Beckett's dad killed her mom? I mean it's possible


This has crossed my mind more than once, but again, it seems like such an easy out. I mean, in general, doesn't it always seem to be the spouse? I don't think the writers are headed in that direction, but yes, I've totally considered it as a possibility.

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December 29, 2009
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itsmyworld said:

musiclover said:What if Beckett's dad killed her mom? I mean it's possible


This has crossed my mind more than once, but again, it seems like such an easy out. I mean, in general, doesn't it always seem to be the spouse? I don't think the writers are headed in that direction, but yes, I've totally considered it as a possibility.



Yeah ok bad idea…

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while I could see somehow the dad being responsible if it was a one off crime of passion or something….a serial killer? Don't think that's likely

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Yeah the whole "not really dead" parent thing is so typical of shows these days, but it doesn't really fit for a show like Castle. This isn't Alias! :P Nobody EVER died on that show…haha. I agree that it might cheapen the characters, because the general plot and characters of the show is rather realistic, unlike shows like Alias where there are actually some sci-fi elements like Rambaldi- on a show like that I completely accept it (and LOVE it in fact). For Castle I would be disappointed that the writers had to resort to it. It just doesn't fit. I'm thinking most likely Beckett's dad just reveals something about the case that he has known all these years, but wanted to shield his daughter from. No clue what, but maybe somebody she knows was either directly or indirectly involved in the murder? Just something that maybe prompts her to actually consider looking at the case again, but nothing that solves the case, because that will/and should happen only quite a bit later.

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