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Special Agent Beckett (Contains Spoilers)
July 15, 2013
12:51 am
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Moose… i'd hate to make the assumption that Kate would "fall short" because she's too good for the job… what does that say about our faith in the System that protects us from the Bad Guys? I only see this working out if Marlowe figures a way that Kate can make a career move forward, not sideways or back-stepping, and return to NY because she's needed there and it's an even better opportunity than the Special Task Force. I'm keeping the terms of my discussion general because I don't wanna get emotionally invested in a specific outcome. That's what it really means when I say "In AWM I trust."

AstroCastle:  Between Season 6 Spoilers, Season 6 Speculation, and now Special Agent Beckett, its hard to figure out on which forum to post. But this one seems active, so I offer the following: We have several guests stars: Lisa Edelstein who is a tough FBI agent in DC, a new love interest for Alexis at the loft named PI who is a fruitarian, and a male FBI agent at the loft. It seems to me, the drama, the story is going to move Beckett and Castle to where they need to be – in NY solving crimes – but wiser, clearer and more committed to each other, with Beckett probably having a more important job at the NYPD.
      Possibility, drama in DC. Maybe Beckett and others going after Bracken ably assisted by Castle's father. The political powers that be come to know Bracken's crimes, Bracken meets his end, but the resolution (maybe with the involvement of the CIA, which is legally a no, no. CIA cannot be involved in domestic affairs.) must forever be hidden from public view, since a senator involved in multiple murders for polictical gain would not increase public trust in the government. Becketts role would be appreciated, but it would be best if she left DC, but would be rewarded with an even better postion at the NYPD. Back at the loft (due to Bracken) there would be some threat to Castle and family. Why else would an FBI agent take up residency at the loft? The threat to Castle will move Beckett to realize the strength of her love for him. Alexis boyfriend is a ringer, not who he says he is. Rather he is a private investigator (PI?) maybe hired by Castle's father to keep track of Castle and family. Of course all of the above will involve Alexis, Martha, Espo and Ryan. Gates, will have even more respect for our favorite couple at the end of this, as Beckett returns to head a special task force at the NYPD. It's going to be a great time. All this is my pure speculation, but you can see my view that the drama will move our story and our characters forward. The decisions made by our characters will be influenced by the drama. It's already estasblished that Castle will support Beckett in whatever career decisions she makes. Just my two cents.

July 15, 2013
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Moose… i'd hate to make the assumption that Kate would "fall short" because she's too good for the job… what does that say about our faith in the System that protects us from the Bad Guys? I only see this working out if Marlowe figures a way that Kate can make a career move forward, not sideways or back-stepping, and return to NY because she's needed there and it's an even better opportunity than the Special Task Force. I'm keeping the terms of my discussion general because I don't wanna get emotionally invested in a specific outcome. That's what it really means when I say "In AWM I trust."

Mutha:  Just saying that Kate is portrayed as having a certain view of for want of a better word "justice".  She is not a political animal and in the high profile world of special tasks forces, one assumes that there will be times where compromises are required.  Kate does not do compromises very well when it comes to "justice."

Another question:  As portrayed in HF and Watershed why would  Special Agent Kate of the AG Task Force have a team?

 

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July 15, 2013
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Moose637 said

mutha_nite said
Moose… i'd hate to make the assumption that Kate would "fall short" because she's too good for the job… what does that say about our faith in the System that protects us from the Bad Guys? I only see this working out if Marlowe figures a way that Kate can make a career move forward, not sideways or back-stepping, and return to NY because she's needed there and it's an even better opportunity than the Special Task Force. I'm keeping the terms of my discussion general because I don't wanna get emotionally invested in a specific outcome. That's what it really means when I say "In AWM I trust."

Mutha:  Just saying that Kate is portrayed as having a certain view of for want of a better word "justice".  She is not a political animal and in the high profile world of special tasks forces, one assumes that there will be times where compromises are required.  Kate does not do compromises very well when it comes to "justice."

Another question:  As portrayed in HF and Watershed why would  Special Agent Kate of the AG Task Force have a team?

 

This is a very important point.  Kate is not your classic "career oriented" person.  She is more about the "mission" than the "job" itself.  As was stated she doesn't "keep score" with regard to her colleagues.  She wanted this job "to do more" not because she necessarily viewed it as a promotion.

Beckett is extremely capable and could do almost anything she put her mind to.  No doubt that if it wasn't for her mother's death she would be an attorney now on her way to becoming a judge.

I think a more interesting and real angle to the story would be for her to disregard convention and do what she wants to do – not what is necessarily expected of her.  So if this job isn't what she thought it would be (i.e. "not really doing more" or "can't do this and a relationship") she should quit regardless of it being perceived as a failure or not.  The correct decision is what is right for that particular person.

July 15, 2013
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Moose637 said
Another question:  As portrayed in HF and Watershed why would  Special Agent Kate of the AG Task Force have a team?

For this I think the spoilers means "the team that she is in" rather than "she has a team"……

 

AstroCastle said 
Moose… i'd hate to make the assumption that Kate would "fall short" because she's too good for the job… what does that say about our faith in the System that protects us from the Bad Guys? I only see this working out if Marlowe figures a way that Kate can make a career move forward, not sideways or back-stepping, and return to NY because she's needed there and it's an even better opportunity than the Special Task Force. I'm keeping the terms of my discussion general because I don't wanna get emotionally invested in a specific outcome. That's what it really means when I say "In AWM I trust."

AstroCastle:  Between Season 6 Spoilers, Season 6 Speculation, and now Special Agent Beckett, its hard to figure out on which forum to post. But this one seems active, so I offer the following: We have several guests stars: Lisa Edelstein who is a tough FBI agent in DC, a new love interest for Alexis at the loft named PI who is a fruitarian, and a male FBI agent at the loft. It seems to me, the drama, the story is going to move Beckett and Castle to where they need to be – in NY solving crimes – but wiser, clearer and more committed to each other, with Beckett probably having a more important job at the NYPD.
      Possibility, drama in DC. Maybe Beckett and others going after Bracken ably assisted by Castle's father. The political powers that be come to know Bracken's crimes, Bracken meets his end, but the resolution (maybe with the involvement of the CIA, which is legally a no, no. CIA cannot be involved in domestic affairs.) must forever be hidden from public view, since a senator involved in multiple murders for polictical gain would not increase public trust in the government. Becketts role would be appreciated, but it would be best if she left DC, but would be rewarded with an even better postion at the NYPD. Back at the loft (due to Bracken) there would be some threat to Castle and family. Why else would an FBI agent take up residency at the loft? The threat to Castle will move Beckett to realize the strength of her love for him. Alexis boyfriend is a ringer, not who he says he is. Rather he is a private investigator (PI?) maybe hired by Castle's father to keep track of Castle and family. Of course all of the above will involve Alexis, Martha, Espo and Ryan. Gates, will have even more respect for our favorite couple at the end of this, as Beckett returns to head a special task force at the NYPD. It's going to be a great time. All this is my pure speculation, but you can see my view that the drama will move our story and our characters forward. The decisions made by our characters will be influenced by the drama. It's already estasblished that Castle will support Beckett in whatever career decisions she makes. Just my two cents.

I agree I found that odd that there is an agent in Castle's loft as spoiler indicated. But we don't know if he would take up residency in the loft or not. That's why I predict Caskett is in danger, that Beckett sent Castle back to NY after an argument (as he would want to protect her), and an agent come to the loft informing Castle that Beckett is in danger, or Beckett sends an agent to escort and protect Castle. But does it have to be from Bracken? I don't think so. And I don't think PI would be a ringer or a pi. I think AM just use him to stir up Alexis/Castle's relationship.

 

In addition, did you guys ever think the arc may be a non-consecutive arc? (aka the eps in this arc is not consecutive??) That sth will pull Caskett back to dc later this season? So instead of worrying how Caskett's relationship would change with the task force position, or whether Matt or Rachel would get between Caskett or not, I think we need to ask ourself, what pull them back to DC? Bracken?Castle's dad? or sth else? Maybe it would be the resolution of the JB case??

July 15, 2013
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Did you guys ever consider the possibility that the opening in the AG task force could be a temp position? We didn't know much about the task force, thus it is possible that the opening is for a temporary position, and the FBI invited Beckett to stay after the task force achieved its tasks and disbanded.  It could be a way for Beckett to return to NY, and set up connections for Beckett in DC (although I do think Castle had connections in DC as well…)

 

 

I did hypothesize that the 'Task Force' could get shut down because of stuff happening in the real world -- the PRISM stuff that has folks up in arms.  An (apparantly) independent and unaccountable group like that could be something that members of Congress could try to make an example of.

 

 

July 15, 2013
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Always-Snow said

Moose637 said
Another question:  As portrayed in HF and Watershed why would  Special Agent Kate of the AG Task Force have a team?

For this I think the spoilers means "the team that she is in" rather than "she has a team"……

 

AstroCastle said 
Moose… i'd hate to make the assumption that Kate would "fall short" because she's too good for the job… what does that say about our faith in the System that protects us from the Bad Guys? I only see this working out if Marlowe figures a way that Kate can make a career move forward, not sideways or back-stepping, and return to NY because she's needed there and it's an even better opportunity than the Special Task Force. I'm keeping the terms of my discussion general because I don't wanna get emotionally invested in a specific outcome. That's what it really means when I say "In AWM I trust."
AstroCastle:  Between Season 6 Spoilers, Season 6 Speculation, and now Special Agent Beckett, its hard to figure out on which forum to post. But this one seems active, so I offer the following: We have several guests stars: Lisa Edelstein who is a tough FBI agent in DC, a new love interest for Alexis at the loft named PI who is a fruitarian, and a male FBI agent at the loft. It seems to me, the drama, the story is going to move Beckett and Castle to where they need to be – in NY solving crimes – but wiser, clearer and more committed to each other, with Beckett probably having a more important job at the NYPD.
      Possibility, drama in DC. Maybe Beckett and others going after Bracken ably assisted by Castle's father. The political powers that be come to know Bracken's crimes, Bracken meets his end, but the resolution (maybe with the involvement of the CIA, which is legally a no, no. CIA cannot be involved in domestic affairs.) must forever be hidden from public view, since a senator involved in multiple murders for polictical gain would not increase public trust in the government. Becketts role would be appreciated, but it would be best if she left DC, but would be rewarded with an even better postion at the NYPD. Back at the loft (due to Bracken) there would be some threat to Castle and family. Why else would an FBI agent take up residency at the loft? The threat to Castle will move Beckett to realize the strength of her love for him. Alexis boyfriend is a ringer, not who he says he is. Rather he is a private investigator (PI?) maybe hired by Castle's father to keep track of Castle and family. Of course all of the above will involve Alexis, Martha, Espo and Ryan. Gates, will have even more respect for our favorite couple at the end of this, as Beckett returns to head a special task force at the NYPD. It's going to be a great time. All this is my pure speculation, but you can see my view that the drama will move our story and our characters forward. The decisions made by our characters will be influenced by the drama. It's already estasblished that Castle will support Beckett in whatever career decisions she makes. Just my two cents.

I agree I found that odd that there is an agent in Castle's loft as spoiler indicated. That's why I predict Caskett is in danger. But does it have to be from Bracken? I don't think so. And I don't think PI would be a ringer or a pi. I think AM just use him to stir up Alexis/Castle-relationship.

 
AstroCastle:    I am not really tied to my narrative, but just used it as an example that Beckett's decisions will be the result of the drama as it unfolds, rather than just a personal objective decision in the normal course of events.  The reason I focused on Bracken is because he is in DC and that story needs to reach a conclusion.  Its personal to Beckett and would provide the drama necessary for Beckett to be at the center of things.  Beckett, therefore, will more than excell in DC.  Agree she is tied to the mission or her purpose to make a difference rather than just some concept of being important.  Politics has a lot to do with image, position and things that would not interest her.  Think the drama in DC will move her forward, make her priortize her relationship to Castle, then back to NY.  Lisa Edelstein may head the AG team (giving the AG team legal crediibility tied to the FBI) and make her Beckett's mentor and alli.  Do think there will be more to PI than meets the eye.  Agree he will stir up Alexis/Castle relationship, but in the drama think he's going to rise to the occasion and help save the day.  Not tied to specifics, as they are pure speculation, but do believe the drama is going to be intense and move Caskett in the direction they and we need to go. 

July 15, 2013
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There are several elements of this "Special Agent" thing that have had me thinking for a good while.  A couple of which I posted many moons ago.  Now that we have some tidbits of the upcoming season it might be worth throwing them out again--more food for thought.

First-- Rick's proposal has changed her mindset in dealing with the DC offer.  From the clips we are now confident she accepted the proposal, but still is headed to DC.  Of course it is all about context, and we know none of it. I am fairly certain that the acceptance at the swings is not, as one poster hoped, "a dream sequence," otherwise, like most, I am clueless.  OK, so since she accepts Castle AND DC, what's the logical way to do it?  She CANNOT resign (if she is to return later).  Marlowe has used that and to repeat it would be poor writing. Logic would be to involve Gates (giving Penny a stronger role) to give Beckett a leave of absence so she can try the position to see if it is what she wants.  The Gates character AWM has established would be amenable to this--she wants Beckett to advance, but she also would hate to lose such a good cop, plus, since she told Kate she would have jumped at such an opportunity, this would allow her to sort of live her "fantasy" vicariously through Beckett maybe bringing them closer (eventually leading her to be more accepting of a Kate-Rick  pre-marital partnership?)  Such a leave would also equate to the initially published 3 episode arc for the Lisa Edelstein character. Such a setup could also allow Castle to still work with the 12th during Kate's absence.

Next--The big question for me has been--why does Kate see this as such a great job?  Over the 5 seasons, the writers have been consistent in their portrayal of "the federal agent."  This character is a loner, he/she works solo (and even if others are involved--as in the Jordan Shaw episodes--they are faceless drones). They are arrogant, egotistical, secretive, humorless.  They wear unisex dark suits and appear to have no outside life. Jordan does have a husband and kids who she rarely sees and spends little time with. They are truly Orwellian.  Kate has constantly butted heads with them, and with the exception of Shaw who I think she feels sorry for, has continuously considered them huge pains in the ass.  I think most viewers would agree with this character development--right?  So why should Marlowe spend so much time dehumanizing this character for the viewers then allow Kate to spin 180 and find the position attractive?  It defies (even TV) logic.  2 different thoughts (one new, one recurring) pop into my head.

Thought 1--We know Kate has a suppressed fantasy side--"Nebula-9," grandpa the magician, "Derrick Storm" novels--that helped her cope with mom's death and dad's "implosion." We know, but Rick doesn't, that "Derrick Storm" helped Kate get through her grieving process, and that she once stood for an hour to get her novel autographed by Castle. [What would have happened if Castle knew this?] Anyway--maybe her attraction to the Storm novels, and logically, the Clara Strike character is still strong enough that taking the DC job would be a chance to fulfill a fantasy (bucket list if you will) that wasn't fulfilled when she found her "Derrick Storm" was really Rick Castle.  In other words, Special Agent may be attractive to her not because of the reality we all see but because of its fantasy link to "Derrick" and "Clara" and in a strange way to her mother, that she needs to act out.

Thought 2--(My new thought).  I keep going back to Kate's incredible sense of low self-esteem around Castle, and around administrative higher-ups.  We know she's great, Castle, Montgomery, Gates, etc., keep showering praise as fast as she deflects it.  For me, "After Hours" was telling--"You're this world famous mystery writer and I'm a cop." "Watershed"--"I'm just a homicide detective." Is it possible that she feels she has to take this DC job to prove to herself that she is indeed more than "just a homicide detective," and also to prove to herself that she is worthy of Castle. (We know she is but she doesn't). Could it be that even at the end of "Watershed" she still doesn't understand why someone as famous and well-healed as Castle would be satisfied with "just a cop?" We know she won't fail as an agent (that also would be bad writing) but maybe what will bring her back is the realization that she finally understands she has nothing else to prove. (Can anybody say "Wizard of Oz"?)

Just sayin'

 

 

July 15, 2013
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JRR Castle said
Did you guys ever consider the possibility that the opening in the AG task force could be a temp position? We didn't know much about the task force, thus it is possible that the opening is for a temporary position, and the FBI invited Beckett to stay after the task force achieved its tasks and disbanded.  It could be a way for Beckett to return to NY, and set up connections for Beckett in DC (although I do think Castle had connections in DC as well…)

 

 

I did hypothesize that the 'Task Force' could get shut down because of stuff happening in the real world -- the PRISM stuff that has folks up in arms.  An (apparantly) independent and unaccountable group like that could be something that members of Congress could try to make an example of.

 

 

I personally don't want to see the job being "cancelled".  I would like to see the job being exactly what it was presented to be in HF and WS – something that takes too much time for any thing else including a relationship.  I want Kate to realize this and decide this job is not what she wants if she can't also have a relationship with Castle.  I want to see a relationship affirming decision from her instead of Castle for a change.

 

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Thought 2--(My new thought).  I keep going back to Kate's incredible sense of low self-esteem around Castle, and around administrative higher-ups.  We know she's great, Castle, Montgomery, Gates, etc., keep showering praise as fast as she deflects it.  For me, "After Hours" was telling--"You're this world famous mystery writer and I'm a cop." "Watershed"--"I'm just a homicide detective." Is it possible that she feels she has to take this DC job to prove to herself that she is indeed more than "just a homicide detective," and also to prove to herself that she is worthy of Castle. (We know she is but she doesn't). Could it be that even at the end of "Watershed" she still doesn't understand why someone as famous and well-healed as Castle would be satisfied with "just a cop?" We know she won't fail as an agent (that also would be bad writing) but maybe what will bring her back is the realization that she finally understands she has nothing else to prove. (Can anybody say "Wizard of Oz"?)

Just sayin'

 

 

This is an interesting thought and I would like to see Kate grow from the (hopefully short) DC job experience.

 

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AstroCastle said

Always-Snow said

Moose637 said
Another question:  As portrayed in HF and Watershed why would  Special Agent Kate of the AG Task Force have a team?

For this I think the spoilers means "the team that she is in" rather than "she has a team"……

AstroCastle said 
Moose… i'd hate to make the assumption that Kate would "fall short" because she's too good for the job… what does that say about our faith in the System that protects us from the Bad Guys? I only see this working out if Marlowe figures a way that Kate can make a career move forward, not sideways or back-stepping, and return to NY because she's needed there and it's an even better opportunity than the Special Task Force. I'm keeping the terms of my discussion general because I don't wanna get emotionally invested in a specific outcome. That's what it really means when I say "In AWM I trust."
AstroCastle:  Between Season 6 Spoilers, Season 6 Speculation, and now Special Agent Beckett, its hard to figure out on which forum to post. But this one seems active, so I offer the following: We have several guests stars: Lisa Edelstein who is a tough FBI agent in DC, a new love interest for Alexis at the loft named PI who is a fruitarian, and a male FBI agent at the loft. It seems to me, the drama, the story is going to move Beckett and Castle to where they need to be – in NY solving crimes – but wiser, clearer and more committed to each other, with Beckett probably having a more important job at the NYPD.
      Possibility, drama in DC. Maybe Beckett and others going after Bracken ably assisted by Castle's father. The political powers that be come to know Bracken's crimes, Bracken meets his end, but the resolution (maybe with the involvement of the CIA, which is legally a no, no. CIA cannot be involved in domestic affairs.) must forever be hidden from public view, since a senator involved in multiple murders for polictical gain would not increase public trust in the government. Becketts role would be appreciated, but it would be best if she left DC, but would be rewarded with an even better postion at the NYPD. Back at the loft (due to Bracken) there would be some threat to Castle and family. Why else would an FBI agent take up residency at the loft? The threat to Castle will move Beckett to realize the strength of her love for him. Alexis boyfriend is a ringer, not who he says he is. Rather he is a private investigator (PI?) maybe hired by Castle's father to keep track of Castle and family. Of course all of the above will involve Alexis, Martha, Espo and Ryan. Gates, will have even more respect for our favorite couple at the end of this, as Beckett returns to head a special task force at the NYPD. It's going to be a great time. All this is my pure speculation, but you can see my view that the drama will move our story and our characters forward. The decisions made by our characters will be influenced by the drama. It's already estasblished that Castle will support Beckett in whatever career decisions she makes. Just my two cents.

I agree I found that odd that there is an agent in Castle's loft as spoiler indicated. That's why I predict Caskett is in danger. But does it have to be from Bracken? I don't think so. And I don't think PI would be a ringer or a pi. I think AM just use him to stir up Alexis/Castle-relationship.

AstroCastle:    I am not really tied to my narrative, but just used it as an example that Beckett's decisions will be the result of the drama as it unfolds, rather than just a personal objective decision in the normal course of events.  The reason I focused on Bracken is because he is in DC and that story needs to reach a conclusion.  Its personal to Beckett and would provide the drama necessary for Beckett to be at the center of things.  Beckett, therefore, will more than excell in DC.  Agree she is tied to the mission or her purpose to make a difference rather than just some concept of being important.  Politics has a lot to do with image, position and things that would not interest her.  Think the drama in DC will move her forward, make her priortize her relationship to Castle, then back to NY.  Lisa Edelstein may head the AG team (giving the AG team legal crediibility tied to the FBI) and make her Beckett's mentor and alli.  Do think there will be more to PI than meets the eye.  Agree he will stir up Alexis/Castle relationship, but in the drama think he's going to rise to the occasion and help save the day.  Not tied to specifics, as they are pure speculation, but do believe the drama is going to be intense and move Caskett in the direction they and we need to go. 

I don't think the premiere would be connected to Bracken. It could serve as a lead to the ep of taking Bracken down, let Beckett made her connections, and pave her path to the road of success. Since s5, I think Bracken has his own themed-ep. The show had shifted the focus from the jb case to Caskett's relationship. Thus I don't think we would have Bracken in the premiere, as he would have his own ep. 

But you are right, Beckett would re-prioritize her life during her time in DC, push Caskett to think about their future, and to learn how to compromise with each other's lives. Anyway it would make Caskett stronger.

 

As for PI, I think his drama with Castle and Alexis would serve as the comedy in this dramedy. There is a balance between comedy and drama in this show, and I think there would be too much drama if PI is part of the drama as well.

Heathcliff said
There are several elements of this "Special Agent" thing that have had me thinking for a good while. A couple of which I posted many moons ago. Now that we have some tidbits of the upcoming season it might be worth throwing them out again--more food for thought.

First-- Rick's proposal has changed her mindset in dealing with the DC offer. From the clips we are now confident she accepted the proposal, but still is headed to DC. Of course it is all about context, and we know none of it. I am fairly certain that the acceptance at the swings is not, as one poster hoped, "a dream sequence," otherwise, like most, I am clueless. OK, so since she accepts Castle AND DC, what's the logical way to do it? She CANNOT resign (if she is to return later). Marlowe has used that and to repeat it would be poor writing. Logic would be to involve Gates (giving Penny a stronger role) to give Beckett a leave of absence so she can try the position to see if it is what she wants. The Gates character AWM has established would be amenable to this--she wants Beckett to advance, but she also would hate to lose such a good cop, plus, since she told Kate she would have jumped at such an opportunity, this would allow her to sort of live her "fantasy" vicariously through Beckett maybe bringing them closer (eventually leading her to be more accepting of a Kate-Rick pre-marital partnership?) Such a leave would also equate to the initially published 3 episode arc for the Lisa Edelstein character. Such a setup could also allow Castle to still work with the 12th during Kate's absence.

Next--The big question for me has been--why does Kate see this as such a great job? Over the 5 seasons, the writers have been consistent in their portrayal of "the federal agent." This character is a loner, he/she works solo (and even if others are involved--as in the Jordan Shaw episodes--they are faceless drones). They are arrogant, egotistical, secretive, humorless. They wear unisex dark suits and appear to have no outside life. Jordan does have a husband and kids who she rarely sees and spends little time with. They are truly Orwellian. Kate has constantly butted heads with them, and with the exception of Shaw who I think she feels sorry for, has continuously considered them huge pains in the ass. I think most viewers would agree with this character development--right? So why should Marlowe spend so much time dehumanizing this character for the viewers then allow Kate to spin 180 and find the position attractive? It defies (even TV) logic. 2 different thoughts (one new, one recurring) pop into my head.

Thought 1--We know Kate has a suppressed fantasy side--"Nebula-9," grandpa the magician, "Derrick Storm" novels--that helped her cope with mom's death and dad's "implosion." We know, but Rick doesn't, that "Derrick Storm" helped Kate get through her grieving process, and that she once stood for an hour to get her novel autographed by Castle. [What would have happened if Castle knew this?] Anyway--maybe her attraction to the Storm novels, and logically, the Clara Strike character is still strong enough that taking the DC job would be a chance to fulfill a fantasy (bucket list if you will) that wasn't fulfilled when she found her "Derrick Storm" was really Rick Castle. In other words, Special Agent may be attractive to her not because of the reality we all see but because of its fantasy link to "Derrick" and "Clara" and in a strange way to her mother, that she needs to act out.

Thought 2--(My new thought). I keep going back to Kate's incredible sense of low self-esteem around Castle, and around administrative higher-ups. We know she's great, Castle, Montgomery, Gates, etc., keep showering praise as fast as she deflects it. For me, "After Hours" was telling--"You're this world famous mystery writer and I'm a cop." "Watershed"--"I'm just a homicide detective." Is it possible that she feels she has to take this DC job to prove to herself that she is indeed more than "just a homicide detective," and also to prove to herself that she is worthy of Castle. (We know she is but she doesn't). Could it be that even at the end of "Watershed" she still doesn't understand why someone as famous and well-healed as Castle would be satisfied with "just a cop?" We know she won't fail as an agent (that also would be bad writing) but maybe what will bring her back is the realization that she finally understands she has nothing else to prove. (Can anybody say "Wizard of Oz"?)

Just sayin'

 

I think, if the job is a permanent position, then she will get fired; If the job is a temp position,then after the task force is over she would return to NY. it's ok to write Beckett fail, but it would be bad writing if the writers let her fail, and never bounced back again. No one will always be success, you are destined to have failures.

I too agree the writers didn't give a clear explanation of why Beckett want this job. I too find that odd. Your theories are interesting, but I prefer anotherguy's "mission" over "job" theory.

 

 

 

 

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AstroCastle said 

My feeling has always been some of the verbiage in Watershed was over the top causing a lot of angst (ie. Beckett considering that Castle hating her would be an ok trade-off.), similiar to Stana referring to Beckett as a loser for any reason (Think she probably regrets that one--it's a sweeping love story--between two strong characters with two strong careers.).  

I don't like the idea that Beckett would think having Castle hating her would be an ok trade-off. But I believe it is a part of the story telling. I think there is a pattern in the 3-eps arc, that Beckett falls into temptation(Vaughn's seduction, Stack's invitation), made some mistakes(let Vaughn kissed her, argued with Castle), realized she made a mistake, and went fixing it(rejecting the kiss, and the phone call to Castle). Those verbiages we hate are actually the mistakes Beckett made. Although they are hard to take, I'm ok with them.

I didn't see it as Beckett falling into temtation or made misstakes. I think it was more a test of herself and her feelings to Castle. And a test I must say she passed very well. She started asking first herself where their relationship was going, before her attempt to ask Castle

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Heathcliff said

The big question for me has been--why does Kate see this as such a great job?  

 

 

That's a mystery to me as well.

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LiterallyCastle said

Heathcliff said

The big question for me has been--why does Kate see this as such a great job?  

 

 

That's a mystery to me as well.

 

Really?

Aside from the obvious ability to keep an eye on and catch the nefarious Senator, aside from the legacy of her mother and father who were/are both about making a difference, aside from a change of scenery with Castle who has family history there …oh nothing much…I don't see it either

Duh!!!

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LiterallyCastle said

Heathcliff said

The big question for me has been--why does Kate see this as such a great job?  

That's a mystery to me as well.


callmecaptain said

Always-Snow said

AstroCastle said 

My feeling has always been some of the verbiage in Watershed was over the top causing a lot of angst (ie. Beckett considering that Castle hating her would be an ok trade-off.), similiar to Stana referring to Beckett as a loser for any reason (Think she probably regrets that one--it's a sweeping love story--between two strong characters with two strong careers.).  

I don't like the idea that Beckett would think having Castle hating her would be an ok trade-off. But I believe it is a part of the story telling. I think there is a pattern in the 3-eps arc, that Beckett falls into temptation(Vaughn's seduction, Stack's invitation), made some mistakes(let Vaughn kissed her, argued with Castle), realized she made a mistake, and went fixing it(rejecting the kiss, and the phone call to Castle). Those verbiages we hate are actually the mistakes Beckett made. Although they are hard to take, I'm ok with them.

I didn't see it as Beckett falling into temtation or made misstakes. I think it was more a test of herself and her feelings to Castle. And a test I must say she passed very well. She started asking first herself where their relationship was going, before her attempt to ask Castle

 Do not thnik Beckett will get fired.  Her character is built on her superior skill as a cop; not good fiction to bring down this hero.  Castle could get fired from anything, because his character would make a joke of it.  Why she took this job is a good question except remember she saw herself a US Chief Supreme Court Justice, so her goals have always been high.  Do not think she passed her relationship test, because if she had truely tested her feelings for Castle, then her feelings would have been more apparent in her conversation with her father.  She would have talked to Castle first and worked it out with him.  Sought out Castle's feelings, found out where he was at and then went forward with her decision to go to DC with Castle's support. That's when you know he is the love of your life and trust in him.  Think it was ok she went to DC without telling Castle, but Castle, IMO, also had a right to be upset with her.  Her conversation with her father just did not mesh with the caring person that she is.

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